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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#581 » by reub » Sat Apr 11, 2020 9:49 pm

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robillionaire wrote:I did 20 boredom rolls on tankathon eariler

we got picks 1-4. 8/20 times. That's 40%, pretty close to the actual odds of 37.2%

Out of those 8 times, We took LaMelo 5 times (3 times with the 1st pick, once with the 2nd and once with the 3rd, and 1 each of Wiseman (3rd, LaMelo and Edwards went 1-2), Edwards (2nd, LaMelo went 1st) and Avdija (4th, Lamelo, Edwards, Wiseman went 1-3)

The other 12 times, we got either 7th or 8th. We took Hayes every time. Did not land 6th, 9th, or 10th. The odds of selecting 6th, 9th, or 10th are extremely low.

We will very likely be selecting 7th or 8th. Hayes should be available there and that's who I hope we would draft. However Cole is also going to be there.

LaMelo, Edwards, Wiseman, and Avdija are always in the top 4 and the Knicks would draft them in that order based on who is still available. So the chances of drafting Wiseman or Avdija are also low and would depend on getting 3rd or 4th and LaMelo or Edwards not being on the board. I have seen scenarios where the Knicks take LaMelo 4th because Wiseman Edwards and Avdija go top 3.

What I might expect based on this assuming no trades or anything wonky
Hayes or Cole, 62% based on Knicks preference between these two
LaMelo 27%
Edwards 5%
Wiseman 3%
Avdija 2%
Haliburton 1%

Edit: after rolling the crap out of it enough, I did manage to get 9th (3.7% chance). In that scenario Hayes is gone and they take Haliburton with Cole still on the board. I still think the Knicks would take Cole over Haliburton but I suppose it's not impossible so I accounted for it


I really like Haliburton’s fit with this team based on his skills and BBIQ. I really don’t like Cole and think he’ll be a bust or bench piece at best. He’s too ball dominant, has questionable decision making, and not a great shooter.


Haliburton is my pick too.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#582 » by robillionaire » Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:16 am

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The season got cut short and Knicks are 1.5 games back of 2nd worst record in the league. 1.5 games! Nobody except the Warriors created much separation in the tanking war


Alan Hahn had a good suggestion today on Facebook, that would help the Knicks out a lot. I think we all realize that the regular season is over. If they can finish the year at all we're just getting the playoffs. Since some teams have played like 67 games and others have only played 63. So he suggested that we roll everyone records back to their 63rd game and it would put us in a three way tie for 4th, instead of 6th.


That’s a really good idea. It’s also true these records are based on uneven amount of games played. That adds a whole other layers to a already complicated situation. This is probably why they keep saying they want at least a few weeks of games before the playoffs. They need a uniformed number of games played for both playoff seeding and draft purposes. If there is no longer a season they should roll back to 63 games.


absolutely no way they just erase the games that were played. they have the winning percentage to go by and could easily use that, doesn't make too much difference if it's uniform or not
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#583 » by robillionaire » Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:19 am

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robillionaire wrote:I did 20 boredom rolls on tankathon eariler

we got picks 1-4. 8/20 times. That's 40%, pretty close to the actual odds of 37.2%

Out of those 8 times, We took LaMelo 5 times (3 times with the 1st pick, once with the 2nd and once with the 3rd, and 1 each of Wiseman (3rd, LaMelo and Edwards went 1-2), Edwards (2nd, LaMelo went 1st) and Avdija (4th, Lamelo, Edwards, Wiseman went 1-3)

The other 12 times, we got either 7th or 8th. We took Hayes every time. Did not land 6th, 9th, or 10th. The odds of selecting 6th, 9th, or 10th are extremely low.

We will very likely be selecting 7th or 8th. Hayes should be available there and that's who I hope we would draft. However Cole is also going to be there.

LaMelo, Edwards, Wiseman, and Avdija are always in the top 4 and the Knicks would draft them in that order based on who is still available. So the chances of drafting Wiseman or Avdija are also low and would depend on getting 3rd or 4th and LaMelo or Edwards not being on the board. I have seen scenarios where the Knicks take LaMelo 4th because Wiseman Edwards and Avdija go top 3.

What I might expect based on this assuming no trades or anything wonky
Hayes or Cole, 62% based on Knicks preference between these two
LaMelo 27%
Edwards 5%
Wiseman 3%
Avdija 2%
Haliburton 1%

Edit: after rolling the crap out of it enough, I did manage to get 9th (3.7% chance). In that scenario Hayes is gone and they take Haliburton with Cole still on the board. I still think the Knicks would take Cole over Haliburton but I suppose it's not impossible so I accounted for it


Was bored so I took my chances at 20 --

TANKATHON SIMULATIONS
10. Haliburton (Cole 11th)
7. Hayes
8. Hayes
4. Avdjia
8. Hayes
6. Hayes
4. Avdija
6. Hayes
1. Ball
2. ball (behind Wiseman over Edwards)

1. Ball
6. Hayes
7. Hayes
7. Hayes
8. Hayes

7. Hayes
7. Hayes
7. Hayes
3. Wiseman (Edwards1; Ball 2)
4. Avdija
Hayes 12; Avdija 3; Ball 3; Wiseman 1; Haliburton 1
1-4 ( 7 /20)

I got pick 6 three times and we took Hayes every time.
Avdija seems like our solid 2nd chance in my tries at least.


it's incredible you got 10th the first try with the 0.1% chance. I've never managed to do it. And I've rolled on it a lot
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#584 » by HighRyzer83 » Sun Apr 12, 2020 2:32 am

Again, 8th and 9th teams won the lottery 1 and 2 respectively. These odds mean nothing in the new system.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#585 » by bleedblue3303 » Sun Apr 12, 2020 2:59 am

HighRyzer83 wrote:Again, 8th and 9th teams won the lottery 1 and 2 respectively. These odds mean nothing in the new system.


The sample size is way to small to say that.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#586 » by Chanel Bomber » Sun Apr 12, 2020 3:23 am

I want Avdija, Hayes or Haliburton. Guys who fit the modern NBA. They might not have an insanely high ceiling (presumably), yet I'm more confident in them becoming All-Stars down the line than the other big names. More importantly, they appear to have skill sets that will one day contribute to winning.

Please stay away from Wiseman, Obi and Lamelo. Those guys are fool's gold.

Wiseman is too mechanical, his scoring efficiency for a big is disappointing and his motor is questionable. And we're set at center. Easy pass. Obi will be stuck in positional no man's land in the NBA. Can't protect the rim so he can't play the 5, yet he will probably be too big and not have enough ball-handling skills to be efficient at the 4 in today's NBA. He'll be a target defensively. Pass. Lamelo can't shoot, can't defend, will dominate the ball and be wildly inefficient. I see a huge bust and a career loser. Easy pass.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#587 » by 8516knicks » Sun Apr 12, 2020 3:34 am

robillionaire wrote:
8516knicks wrote:
robillionaire wrote:I did 20 boredom rolls on tankathon eariler

we got picks 1-4. 8/20 times. That's 40%, pretty close to the actual odds of 37.2%

Out of those 8 times, We took LaMelo 5 times (3 times with the 1st pick, once with the 2nd and once with the 3rd, and 1 each of Wiseman (3rd, LaMelo and Edwards went 1-2), Edwards (2nd, LaMelo went 1st) and Avdija (4th, Lamelo, Edwards, Wiseman went 1-3)

The other 12 times, we got either 7th or 8th. We took Hayes every time. Did not land 6th, 9th, or 10th. The odds of selecting 6th, 9th, or 10th are extremely low.

We will very likely be selecting 7th or 8th. Hayes should be available there and that's who I hope we would draft. However Cole is also going to be there.

LaMelo, Edwards, Wiseman, and Avdija are always in the top 4 and the Knicks would draft them in that order based on who is still available. So the chances of drafting Wiseman or Avdija are also low and would depend on getting 3rd or 4th and LaMelo or Edwards not being on the board. I have seen scenarios where the Knicks take LaMelo 4th because Wiseman Edwards and Avdija go top 3.

What I might expect based on this assuming no trades or anything wonky
Hayes or Cole, 62% based on Knicks preference between these two
LaMelo 27%
Edwards 5%
Wiseman 3%
Avdija 2%
Haliburton 1%

Edit: after rolling the crap out of it enough, I did manage to get 9th (3.7% chance). In that scenario Hayes is gone and they take Haliburton with Cole still on the board. I still think the Knicks would take Cole over Haliburton but I suppose it's not impossible so I accounted for it


Was bored so I took my chances at 20 --

TANKATHON SIMULATIONS
10. Haliburton (Cole 11th)
7. Hayes
8. Hayes
4. Avdjia
8. Hayes
6. Hayes
4. Avdija
6. Hayes
1. Ball
2. ball (behind Wiseman over Edwards)

1. Ball
6. Hayes
7. Hayes
7. Hayes
8. Hayes

7. Hayes
7. Hayes
7. Hayes
3. Wiseman (Edwards1; Ball 2)
4. Avdija
Hayes 12; Avdija 3; Ball 3; Wiseman 1; Haliburton 1
1-4 ( 7 /20)

I got pick 6 three times and we took Hayes every time.
Avdija seems like our solid 2nd chance in my tries at least.


it's incredible you got 10th the first try with the 0.1% chance. I've never managed to do it. And I've rolled on it a lot


I should have paid more attention to who we got a 27; never looked once. But we have a chance at 3 decent players. Hope we get at least 2.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#588 » by RHODEY » Sun Apr 12, 2020 4:16 am

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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#589 » by Zenzibar » Sun Apr 12, 2020 6:09 am

When you have a moment.

This kid Tyler Bey is a nice young forward from Colorado and would be a nice addition at 27. Just saw the game between Colorado and Dayton and he played really well. Other than a ridiculous put-back dunk by Toppin, Bey played him pretty straight up for a young kid.

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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#590 » by HighRyzer83 » Sun Apr 12, 2020 7:38 am

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HighRyzer83 wrote:Again, 8th and 9th teams won the lottery 1 and 2 respectively. These odds mean nothing in the new system.


The sample size is way to small to say that.

As it is to say to the contrary. Therefore, we know nothing with any certainty (which is what I just said) other than referencing what in fact happened last year.

For all we know right now, that mid tier just might be the sweet spot.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#591 » by HighRyzer83 » Sun Apr 12, 2020 7:55 am

The more I analyze Hayes, the more I think he is the best pick for us other than Ball and Edwards.



This is an old vid but it does suggest an understanding of game.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#592 » by RHODEY » Sun Apr 12, 2020 8:47 am

HighRyzer83 wrote:The more I analyze Hayes, the more I think he is the best pick for us other than Ball and Edwards.



This is an old vid but it does suggest an understanding of game.


I actually think he might be a better pick than Lamelo. Less holes in his game, less risky with a comparable upside.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#593 » by HighRyzer83 » Sun Apr 12, 2020 11:24 am

Would y'all draft Deni over Hayes?
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#594 » by TheGreenArrow » Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:09 pm

HighRyzer83 wrote:Would y'all draft Deni over Hayes?


Idk its a toss up. Cant go wrong with either in our range but I'd think I'll take hayes.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#595 » by Deeeez Knicks » Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:20 pm

HighRyzer83 wrote:Would y'all draft Deni over Hayes?

Edit: meant
I would draft Hayes
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#596 » by knickstape21 » Sun Apr 12, 2020 2:31 pm

Avdija over Achiuwa is a crime. Take the guy with a ridiculous upside.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#597 » by RHODEY » Sun Apr 12, 2020 3:09 pm

HighRyzer83 wrote:Would y'all draft Deni over Hayes?

No.
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#598 » by robillionaire » Sun Apr 12, 2020 3:34 pm

8516knicks wrote:
robillionaire wrote:
8516knicks wrote:
Was bored so I took my chances at 20 --

TANKATHON SIMULATIONS
10. Haliburton (Cole 11th)
7. Hayes
8. Hayes
4. Avdjia
8. Hayes
6. Hayes
4. Avdija
6. Hayes
1. Ball
2. ball (behind Wiseman over Edwards)

1. Ball
6. Hayes
7. Hayes
7. Hayes
8. Hayes

7. Hayes
7. Hayes
7. Hayes
3. Wiseman (Edwards1; Ball 2)
4. Avdija
Hayes 12; Avdija 3; Ball 3; Wiseman 1; Haliburton 1
1-4 ( 7 /20)

I got pick 6 three times and we took Hayes every time.
Avdija seems like our solid 2nd chance in my tries at least.


it's incredible you got 10th the first try with the 0.1% chance. I've never managed to do it. And I've rolled on it a lot


I should have paid more attention to who we got a 27; never looked once. But we have a chance at 3 decent players. Hope we get at least 2.


Every time I roll it we take jalen smith at 27

funny enough the 38th pick changes a lot, I've seen cassius stanley, isiah joe, joel ayayi, cassius winston, xavier tillman
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#599 » by robillionaire » Sun Apr 12, 2020 3:36 pm

HighRyzer83 wrote:Would y'all draft Deni over Hayes?


If my team was all set at PG I'd lean towards Deni but we aren't so I'd take Hayes
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Re: 2019-2020 College/Draft thread (Part 3) 

Post#600 » by HEZI » Sun Apr 12, 2020 4:13 pm

Yeah Hayes is very intriguing. Would take him over Deni and a few others for sure
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