Democratic Primary Thread: The Deuce

[robillionaire]

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[BKlutch]

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You can't present statistics if they don't show what I want to show. Now Pelosi has intimidated Birx to spreading vicious rumors about the spread of the virus and even Fauci backed up Birx. They work for me - they can't just say whatever the medical evidence is. I don't hear any of those dead people complaining!

Clearly, this is a case of our nation's leader claiming to be stupid to impress only those who aren't smart enough to understand. It's not funny, it's not clownish, it's actually horrifying.

[thebuzzardman]

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You can't present statistics if they don't show what I want to show. Now Pelosi has intimidated Birx to spreading vicious rumors about the spread of the virus and even Fauci backed up Birx. They work for me - they can't just say whatever the medical evidence is. I don't hear any of those dead people complaining!

Clearly, this is a case of our nation's leader claiming to be stupid to impress only those who aren't smart enough to understand. It's not funny, it's not clownish, it's actually horrifying.

HE'S not smart enough to understand. Or, he might vaguely be, but doesn't care. It's always been this guy's MO to obfuscate when he's started to get boxed in by reality. That and attack, of course.

It's hilarious he's trying to state the proportion of deaths isn't that bad to the # of cases, as if the fact that there is a sh*t ton of cases isn't bad as well.

Actually, it makes perfect sense. The entire schtick of the administration is that "more testing produces more positive results".
Like all good lies and propaganda, there's an element of truth in that

[BKlutch]

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You can't present statistics if they don't show what I want to show. Now Pelosi has intimidated Birx to spreading vicious rumors about the spread of the virus and even Fauci backed up Birx. They work for me - they can't just say whatever the medical evidence is. I don't hear any of those dead people complaining!

Clearly, this is a case of our nation's leader claiming to be stupid to impress only those who aren't smart enough to understand. It's not funny, it's not clownish, it's actually horrifying.

HE'S not smart enough to understand. Or, he might vaguely be, but doesn't care. It's always been this guy's MO to obfuscate when he's started to get boxed in by reality. That and attack, of course.

It's hilarious he's trying to state the proportion of deaths isn't that bad to the # of cases, as if the fact that there is a sh*t ton of cases isn't bad as well.

Actually, it makes perfect sense. The entire schtick of the administration is that "more testing produces more positive results".
Like all good lies and propaganda, there's an element of truth in that

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[Clyde_Style]

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You can't present statistics if they don't show what I want to show. Now Pelosi has intimidated Birx to spreading vicious rumors about the spread of the virus and even Fauci backed up Birx. They work for me - they can't just say whatever the medical evidence is. I don't hear any of those dead people complaining!

Clearly, this is a case of our nation's leader claiming to be stupid to impress only those who aren't smart enough to understand. It's not funny, it's not clownish, it's actually horrifying.

HE'S not smart enough to understand. Or, he might vaguely be, but doesn't care. It's always been this guy's MO to obfuscate when he's started to get boxed in by reality. That and attack, of course.

It's hilarious he's trying to state the proportion of deaths isn't that bad to the # of cases, as if the fact that there is a sh*t ton of cases isn't bad as well.

Actually, it makes perfect sense. The entire schtick of the administration is that "more testing produces more positive results".
Like all good lies and propaganda, there's an element of truth in that

It's all about to get obsfuscated and complicated even more now that federal funds have dried up for testing. The actual truth is the virus is wilding and we'll have even less accurate data as it spreads more. The actual data could be dropping while the actual cases could be climbing. This is criminal negligence. He should be put in an electric chair and fried.

[robillionaire]

You can't present statistics if they don't show what I want to show. Now Pelosi has intimidated Birx to spreading vicious rumors about the spread of the virus and even Fauci backed up Birx. They work for me - they can't just say whatever the medical evidence is. I don't hear any of those dead people complaining!

Clearly, this is a case of our nation's leader claiming to be stupid to impress only those who aren't smart enough to understand. It's not funny, it's not clownish, it's actually horrifying.

HE'S not smart enough to understand. Or, he might vaguely be, but doesn't care. It's always been this guy's MO to obfuscate when he's started to get boxed in by reality. That and attack, of course.

It's hilarious he's trying to state the proportion of deaths isn't that bad to the # of cases, as if the fact that there is a sh*t ton of cases isn't bad as well.

Actually, it makes perfect sense. The entire schtick of the administration is that "more testing produces more positive results".
Like all good lies and propaganda, there's an element of truth in that

It's all about to get obsfuscated and complicated even more now that federal funds have dried up for testing. The actual truth is the virus is wilding and we'll have even less accurate data as it spreads more. The actual data could be dropping while the actual cases could be climbing. This is criminal negligence. He should be put in an electric chair and fried.

where are you hearing that federal funds have dried up for testing

[Clyde_Style]

HE'S not smart enough to understand. Or, he might vaguely be, but doesn't care. It's always been this guy's MO to obfuscate when he's started to get boxed in by reality. That and attack, of course.

It's hilarious he's trying to state the proportion of deaths isn't that bad to the # of cases, as if the fact that there is a sh*t ton of cases isn't bad as well.

Actually, it makes perfect sense. The entire schtick of the administration is that "more testing produces more positive results".
Like all good lies and propaganda, there's an element of truth in that

It's all about to get obsfuscated and complicated even more now that federal funds have dried up for testing. The actual truth is the virus is wilding and we'll have even less accurate data as it spreads more. The actual data could be dropping while the actual cases could be climbing. This is criminal negligence. He should be put in an electric chair and fried.

where are you hearing that federal funds have dried up for testing

I should restate it and say it is being opposed. It was a common news item in the middle of July that Trump opposed the continuation of any funding for testing. It doesn't mean a new round of funding won't be a part of a new relief package. But as of a couple weeks ago, some testing facilities were running out of cash already. So there may be a shortfall in testing already affecting results, at least until there is a fresh infusion of funding. Testing aside, it is going to continue to spread heavily with school re-openings. I just saw a new picture with over a hundred students in a group photo. Not one wore a mask. America is still chock full of stupid.

[Clyde_Style]

from July 22

Healthcare industry pushes back on Trump administration plan to cut testing funds

https://www.modernhealthcare.com/politics-policy/healthcare-industry-pushes-back-trump-administration-plan-cut-testing-funds

ARTICLE:

Spoiler:

The healthcare industry is mobilizing to push Congress to provide more funds for COVID-19 testing as the issue has gotten caught in an intra-party GOP conflict.

The White House has indicated it doesn't want Senate Republicans to push for any additional funding for testing and contact tracing activities in the next major COVID-19 relief package lawmakers are hoping to pass. The Trump administration in June issued guidance letting insurers off the hook for paying for testing for public health surveillance or occupational health purposes. Lawmakers seem unlikely to force insurers to pay; getting government funding for tests is the safest option so employers, patients and labs aren't stuck with the bills.

Healthcare industry stakeholders warned in a letter to congressional leaders dated Tuesday that a failure to allocate more funding would result in reduced access to testing and higher insurance premiums.

"We share the goal of safely reopening the economy and returning to normal business, but this will require a sustained federal investment in testing facilitated by the public health and existing health care delivery system," the industry groups wrote.

The letter's signatories included the American Clinical Lab Association, the American College of Physicians, the American Health Care Association, America's Health Insurance Plans, the Blue Cross Blue Shield Association, the Business Group on Health and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.

Employer groups sent a separate letter to lawmakers on Tuesday asking for more funds for testing activities, clear guidance as to how employers can use test results and protections from price gouging for tests.

ERISA Industry Committee Senior Vice President of Health Policy James Gelfand said that many member companies are engaged in reopening, but few are using testing as part of their strategy. One regulatory barrier Gelfand cited for back-to-work testing was recent guidance from the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission that stated employers can't use antibody tests to make decisions about returning employees to the workplace. However, diagnostic tests can be considered.

"The testing regime out there right now is not working," Gelfand said.

Beyond the availability and utility of tests, employers are also concerned about cost. Congress required payers to foot the bill for hospitals' and labs' posted cash price for COVID-19 tests, but employers noted that some providers don't post cash prices, and those that were posted varied widely. Kaiser Family Foundation researchers surveyed 102 of the largest hospitals in each state and the District of Columbia and found only 78 posted cash prices on their websites.

"We urge Congress to take measures to ensue that neither the government nor the private sector is subjected to unjustified charges related to testing," the employer groups wrote. The American Benefits Council, Business Group on Health, Pacific Business Group on Health, and ERIC were among the groups that signed on.

There are signs the White House might be willing to yield. Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.), the chair of the Senate Appropriations health subcommittee, said on Tuesday that he feels better about additional funding for tests after meeting with Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin and White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows.

Blunt said he also wants to focus on ensuring appropriated money that hasn't been spent yet is available, and that the money is spent on the most useful tests that yield the fastest results.

President Donald Trump on Tuesday evening said he's taking meetings on increasing funding for testing Tuesday night and Wednesday.

The administration's position on cutting funds for testing and tracing activities was first reported by the Washington Post.

[Clyde_Style]

Anyway, there was a hurricane swiping Miami so testing results in Florida dipped significantly the last few days in Florida as people stayed home. Just another complicating factor, but an example of how test results can fluctuate while the pandemic rages. It is spreading whatever the daily results presently show.

Without a complete commitment to test and contact trace nationwide this is a losing game of whack-a-mole which gets reduced to waiting for a vaccine. And if there is a vaccine announced before the election, it will be rushed and not fully vetted for obvious political reasons. You cannot trust a single thing this current administration does. They are murderers and thieves.

[robillionaire]

It's all about to get obsfuscated and complicated even more now that federal funds have dried up for testing. The actual truth is the virus is wilding and we'll have even less accurate data as it spreads more. The actual data could be dropping while the actual cases could be climbing. This is criminal negligence. He should be put in an electric chair and fried.

where are you hearing that federal funds have dried up for testing

I should restate it and say it is being opposed. It was a common news item in the middle of July that Trump opposed the continuation of any funding for testing. It doesn't mean a new round of funding won't be a part of a new relief package. But as of a couple weeks ago, some testing facilities were running out of cash already. So there may be a shortfall in testing already affecting results, at least until there is a fresh infusion of funding. Testing aside, it is going to continue to spread heavily with school re-openings. I just saw a new picture with over a hundred students in a group photo. Not one wore a mask. America is still chock full of stupid.

Oh okay, I wasn't sure if you had some new information that I maybe had missed. Trump may oppose it but if the dems and gop actually do manage to come to a compromise on another relief package that includes testing there's a zero percent chance he would veto it unless he wants to lose all 50 states

[frothbrain]

I don't see any evidence supporting herd immunity is bs?
show me the cases of reinfection. otherwise, i will look towards sweden and nyc's flatline in cases.

as far as your economic speculation, i'll rely on the krona to usd valuation over your views.

but keep pretending that team Democrat will save you by forcing small businesses to continue to shutdown with cases flatlined in hopes of more bailouts from the fed printers.

Are you saying NYC reached herd immunity? I just want to make sure instead of assuming

Yes. Testing is at an all time high but cases have flat-lined to all time low.
The only people disputing this are the democrat bootlickers trying to politicize this virus, and anyone who benefits from a continued shutdown such as the CCP and AMZN shareholders.

[Clyde_Style]

[thebuzzardman]

I don't see any evidence supporting herd immunity is bs?
show me the cases of reinfection. otherwise, i will look towards sweden and nyc's flatline in cases.

as far as your economic speculation, i'll rely on the krona to usd valuation over your views.

but keep pretending that team Democrat will save you by forcing small businesses to continue to shutdown with cases flatlined in hopes of more bailouts from the fed printers.

Are you saying NYC reached herd immunity? I just want to make sure instead of assuming

Yes. Testing is at an all time high but cases have flat-lined to all time low.
The only people disputing this are the democrat bootlickers trying to politicize this virus.

Quite frothy

[frothbrain]

Are you saying NYC reached herd immunity? I just want to make sure instead of assuming

Yes. Testing is at an all time high but cases have flat-lined to all time low.
The only people disputing this are the democrat bootlickers trying to politicize this virus.

Quite frothy

Dispute the data or buzz off.

NYC is now one of the safest places on earth re covid, and it's all because it is one of the first high population density areas to be hit.

[thebuzzardman]

Yes. Testing is at an all time high but cases have flat-lined to all time low.
The only people disputing this are the democrat bootlickers trying to politicize this virus.

Quite frothy

Dispute the data or buzz off.

Wait, so this means the democratic politicians of NYS did a good job?

[Clyde_Style]

I don't see any evidence supporting herd immunity is bs?
show me the cases of reinfection. otherwise, i will look towards sweden and nyc's flatline in cases.

as far as your economic speculation, i'll rely on the krona to usd valuation over your views.

but keep pretending that team Democrat will save you by forcing small businesses to continue to shutdown with cases flatlined in hopes of more bailouts from the fed printers.

Are you saying NYC reached herd immunity? I just want to make sure instead of assuming

Yes. Testing is at an all time high but cases have flat-lined to all time low.
The only people disputing this are the democrat bootlickers trying to politicize this virus, and anyone who benefits from a continued shutdown such as the CCP and AMZN shareholders.

OK, so you're making up stuff again.

And you're calling everyone else in this thread bootlickers.

But if you're lying again, I think that means you're the one licking Trump's boots.

When asked before to provide data for proof of herd immunity you produced ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to validate your lies.

This time you're lying again, so we could ask you to provide provide proof that "cases are flat-lined to all time low", but we know you can't prove that so at best we expect to you post a few more insults and then come back again in a week with a new lie and an inability to validate it with actual facts.

[frothbrain]

https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk01O8MkmJKXieUrSj-awYipY-GrR7A%3A1596560461341&ei=TZQpX5OYFO6zytMPgrCTkAc&q=nyc+covid+cases&oq=nyc+covid+cases&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzIFCAAQsQMyAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADICCAAyAggAMgIIADICCAA6BAgjECc6BAgAEEM6CwguELEDEIMBEJECOg0IABCxAxCDARAUEIcCOgcIABCxAxBDOgsIABCxAxCDARCRAjoKCAAQsQMQFBCHAjoICC4QxwEQowI6BAgAEAo6BwgAEBQQhwI6CAguEMcBEK8BOgoIABCxAxCDARBDOgUIABCRAjoNCC4QxwEQrwEQFBCHAjoHCCMQsQIQJzoICAAQsQMQgwFQy-sTWNKLFGCqjBRoC3AAeACAAXSIAcULkgEEMTkuMZgBAKABAaoBB2d3cy13aXrAAQE&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwjT8qOZg4LrAhXumXIEHQLYBHIQ4dUDCAw&uact=5

[frothbrain]

Quite frothy

Dispute the data or buzz off.

Wait, so this means the democratic politicians of NYS did a good job?

?
Last I checked, the human body doesn't produce more antibodies if you vote democrat.

[Clyde_Style]

Guy posts NY data

Again

Same tactic used to claim herd immunity

Sad

[frothbrain]

Guy posts NY data

Again

Same tactic used to claim herd immunity

Sad

You are either simply dumb or maliciously ignorant.
NYC was one of the first cities to be hit by covid and quickly spread due to its population density, hence the curve. The US is a big country fella. Those other parts of the country will also go through a similar cycle but won't be as quick of a recovery due to lower population density of those areas.