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Re: Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#581 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Fri Mar 3, 2023 1:08 am

Sasser 7-7 from the charity stripe at the half vs. Wichita State.

Dude is 34 for 38 from the line his last 4.5 games.

That's 8.4 FTA per game.
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Post#582 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Fri Mar 3, 2023 1:51 am

Sasser has looked really damn good vs. Wichita State, Houston was down early and he helped them overcome the bad start. Made some quality passes that didn't count as assists because his teammates missed the shots, was playing really hard on defense.

Love this kid so much.

6 straight games of 20+ points
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#583 » by BoyzNTheHood » Fri Mar 3, 2023 2:02 am

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It absolutely can, it depends on the person who has SAD and how they are affected by it, manage it and what triggers it.

Like I said, there are multiple success stories when it comes to that. And these twins haven’t shown anything to say that it affects them in any way.


Amen hasn't demonstrated the anxiety Ausar has and I never said he has, only talking about Ausar here.

You think there's 0 chance that someone's state of mind can affect their shooting? It's as much psychological as it is mechanical. Ausar is a piss poor shooter. Needs to be looked into, Kawhi has been timid but not to the point where his voice is quivering and he's shaking like I've seen in Ausar in multiple interviews.

Being nervous during interviews is a very normal thing for a whole lot of people. It won’t affect your game. Mentally struggling with shooting is a whole different subject.
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Post#584 » by dozo » Fri Mar 3, 2023 3:16 am

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Post#585 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Fri Mar 3, 2023 3:37 am

Jett Howard 1 assists 0 steals in 44 mins in a loss to an unranked team.

If he weren't Juwan's son he would not be getting any attention at all.
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Post#586 » by WuTang_CMB » Fri Mar 3, 2023 3:57 am

We arent drafting jett or dick. Too one dimensional. Not even worth discussing. We never draft those types of players.
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Post#587 » by Dalek » Fri Mar 3, 2023 4:30 am

REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:Jett Howard 1 assists 0 steals in 44 mins in a loss to an unranked team.

If he weren't Juwan's son he would not be getting any attention at all.


For some reason I can't find the game that Michigan played today. What game are you referring to? 44 mins is a lot for a college game.

Maybe he had an off game but he has a 13.6 ast% and has a lot to his offensive game.

Jett is a good player and a likely lotto one. Not many 6'8 guys who can shoot from outside and pass the ball like he can. He's built for the modern NBA.
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Post#588 » by Rapsfan07 » Fri Mar 3, 2023 4:40 am

Wouldn't mind taking a look at Cissoko with a late first either. I just wonder about the skill overlap with him and Barnes. Both play on the wing, both struggle to shoot the ball, both project to be secondary ball handlers, neither of them project to be even secondary scoring options...quite a bit of similarity there.

Using at Tankathon's mock and assuming we stay put at 12, I can't say I really LOVE anyone there. I think you have to take Howard and hope for the best or "reach" a little for Hendricks. What I really want is a PG who can score but there isn't any of that available there.

In the late 20s, I'm sticking with Colby Jones, Maxwell Lewis and Marcus Sasser is warming on me a bit there.
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#589 » by Dalek » Fri Mar 3, 2023 4:43 am

Found the game. I guess the non top 25 games don't get picked up on my espn feed.

Jett had 15/5 and 3 of 8 from 3. That ain't too bad. Definitely could get more assists.

Bufkin had 23. Really playing well for a good stretch.

Illinois has Terrence Shannon Jr. and Coleman Hawkins so they aren't that bad an unranked team.
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Post#590 » by Kevin Willis » Fri Mar 3, 2023 4:46 am

NotMyKawhi wrote:why are you guys obsessed w Gradey Dick?

He's gonna be average in he league at best. So many players in college way better than him

If its a white thing, wait for Cooper Flagg. That guy is actually the best american white guy since Bird


Plays a lot like AK47, who would be perfect on this Raptor team by the way.
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Re: Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#591 » by Kevin Willis » Fri Mar 3, 2023 4:54 am

Dalek wrote:
REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:Jett Howard 1 assists 0 steals in 44 mins in a loss to an unranked team.

If he weren't Juwan's son he would not be getting any attention at all.


For some reason I can't find the game that Michigan played today. What game are you referring to? 44 mins is a lot for a college game.

Maybe he had an off game but he has a 13.6 ast% and has a lot to his offensive game.

Jett is a good player and a likely lotto one. Not many 6'8 guys who can shoot from outside and pass the ball like he can. He's built for the modern NBA.


Kris Murray.
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Post#592 » by Dalek » Fri Mar 3, 2023 6:06 am

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REJECTEDBYCLARK wrote:Jett Howard 1 assists 0 steals in 44 mins in a loss to an unranked team.

If he weren't Juwan's son he would not be getting any attention at all.


For some reason I can't find the game that Michigan played today. What game are you referring to? 44 mins is a lot for a college game.

Maybe he had an off game but he has a 13.6 ast% and has a lot to his offensive game.

Jett is a good player and a likely lotto one. Not many 6'8 guys who can shoot from outside and pass the ball like he can. He's built for the modern NBA.


Kris Murray.


I like him as well. His twin is really good so you expect he will be decent. Kris is going to be 23 in August so you wonder if Jett will have more time to really become a star.

If Toronto is in the lottery you have to gamble on youth a bit (aim for a star) or you trade down and get two picks or a pick and player if possible. No need to reach by using lotto picks for senior aged draft prospects.
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Post#593 » by BoyzNTheHood » Fri Mar 3, 2023 6:07 am

WuTang_OG wrote:We arent drafting jett or dick. Too one dimensional. Not even worth discussing. We never draft those types of players.

Neither are one dimensional
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Post#594 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Fri Mar 3, 2023 7:26 am



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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#595 » by WuTang_CMB » Fri Mar 3, 2023 12:55 pm

BoyzNTheHood wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:We arent drafting jett or dick. Too one dimensional. Not even worth discussing. We never draft those types of players.

Neither are one dimensional


They are both really good shooters but dont bring much else.
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Post#596 » by ArthurVandelay » Fri Mar 3, 2023 2:04 pm

Jaylen Clark intrigues me. He'd have to be undrafted to get a shot at him. But seems these days many players prefer going undrafted and picking their own team outside the top-40, especially with the 2-way contracts. He's another player that needs a shot but

Since 2010-11, there have only been 42 players to have PER over 20 and DBPM 6 or greater (>20 games, >400MP). There have only been 11 guards to do it, with Clark being a guard. Clark has a PER of 23 and his DBPM is 6.6

Good article on him from LA Times here: https://www.latimes.com/sports/ucla/story/2023-02-09/jaylen-clark-feature

I loved this quote:

Defense wasn’t always his top priority. Like most young players, Clark fancied the offensive highlight. His attitude changed when he joined a stacked club team featuring eventual NBA first-round draft picks Evan Mobley and Onyeka Okongwu, among other older and more decorated players. Clark’s father, Cornelius, warned him that he’d never get to play if he didn’t follow one rule.

“You play defense,” his father told him, “you’re going to force your way onto the floor.”


He might not be long enough for the long boi club though - 6'5 and 6'7.5 wingspan. He also doesn't shoot well enough. But he would be a good project like Gabe Brown with the 905, imo. Never know what might come about from someone willing to put in the grit and grind.

Stats link: https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&class_is_fr=Y&class_is_so=Y&class_is_jr=Y&class_is_sr=Y&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_c=Y&games_type=A&c1stat=dbpm&c1comp=gt&c1val=6&c2stat=g&c2comp=gt&c2val=20&c3stat=mp&c3comp=gt&c3val=400&c4stat=per&c4comp=gt&c4val=20&order_by=dbpm
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Re: 2023 Draft Prospect discussion Part II 

Post#597 » by Dalek » Fri Mar 3, 2023 4:12 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:
BoyzNTheHood wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:We arent drafting jett or dick. Too one dimensional. Not even worth discussing. We never draft those types of players.

Neither are one dimensional


They are both really good shooters but dont bring much else.


Even if I didn't disagree with your point, after watching Raptor's 'struggleball' for the past year, what would be wrong with adding shooting and shot creation skill? Do we really want to keep this whole 6'9 vision of switchable defenders who can barely play offense?

Masai would have to be blind to keep with this vision. The lotto will be a way to finally get some true three level scoring talent.
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Post#598 » by God Squad » Fri Mar 3, 2023 4:13 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:We arent drafting jett or dick. Too one dimensional. Not even worth discussing. We never draft those types of players.

Taylor Hendricks.
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Post#599 » by Rapsfan07 » Fri Mar 3, 2023 4:28 pm

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WuTang_OG wrote:We arent drafting jett or dick. Too one dimensional. Not even worth discussing. We never draft those types of players.

Taylor Hendricks.

I love me some Hendricks.

Not that we should be picking for fit anyway but drafting Hendricks only complicates the massive problem we already have with Siakam, Barnes and OG. Even if we trade one of these guys in the offseason, drafting Hendricks only puts us back where we started.

We really, really need some guards. Whether that's by trade or draft.
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Post#600 » by God Squad » Fri Mar 3, 2023 4:39 pm

Rapsfan07 wrote:
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WuTang_OG wrote:We arent drafting jett or dick. Too one dimensional. Not even worth discussing. We never draft those types of players.

Taylor Hendricks.

I love me some Hendricks.

Not that we should be picking for fit anyway but drafting Hendricks only complicates the massive problem we already have with Siakam, Barnes and OG. Even if we trade one of these guys in the offseason, drafting Hendricks only puts us back where we started.

We really, really need some guards. Whether that's by trade or draft.

I just think TH has the potential to return the best value for where he'll be drafted. But I understand the roster overlap concerns, but many of the other prospects seem like they have massive holes in their game. I don't see one with Hendricks, and I think he's going to be a huge riser come combine.

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