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MagicMatic wrote:Anthony Black is the exception to that because he has clear indicators showing he is capable.

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Knightro wrote:

MagicMatic wrote:Anthony Black is the exception to that because he has clear indicators showing he is capable.

Just curious, are you basing primarily this on FT rate?

basketballRob wrote:I think we'll end up with one of Black, Cam, or Jarace at 6. I'm hearing a little buzz that Houston may take Cam or Black.

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Knightro wrote:

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1. Spurs - Wemby
2. Hornets - Scoot
3. Blazers - Miller
4. Rockets - Amen
5. Pistons - Whitmore
6. Magic - Black
7. Pacers - Walker
8. Wizards - Ausar
9. Jazz - Hood-Schifino
10. Mavs - Hendricks
11. Magic - Dick

Knightro wrote:

thelead wrote:

Watch on YouTube

If you don’t want to watch the whole thing…

1. Spurs - Wemby
2. Hornets - Scoot
3. Blazers - Miller
4. Rockets - Amen
5. Pistons - Whitmore
6. Magic - Black
7. Pacers - Walker
8. Wizards - Ausar
9. Jazz - Hood-Schifino
10. Mavs - Hendricks
11. Magic - Dick

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Anti Chalmers wrote:

Knightro wrote:

thelead wrote:

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If you don’t want to watch the whole thing…

1. Spurs - Wemby
2. Hornets - Scoot
3. Blazers - Miller
4. Rockets - Amen
5. Pistons - Whitmore
6. Magic - Black
7. Pacers - Walker
8. Wizards - Ausar
9. Jazz - Hood-Schifino
10. Mavs - Hendricks
11. Magic - Dick

As long as we get Dick, I’m happy

Knightro wrote:If you’re willing to take Black at 6, then there’s no reason to not take Amen at 6 if he slips past 4, right?

Amen is a year older and played worse competition, but he seems to be a far superior athlete and he measured out better too.

But beyond that their skill sets just seem quite similar.

Tall point guards who project as plus slashers, plus passers and plus defenders capable of guarding multiple positions

Both struggle significantly with shooting.

basketballRob wrote:

Knightro wrote:If you’re willing to take Black at 6, then there’s no reason to not take Amen at 6 if he slips past 4, right?

Amen is a year older and played worse competition, but he seems to be a far superior athlete and he measured out better too.

But beyond that their skill sets just seem quite similar.

Tall point guards who project as plus slashers, plus passers and plus defenders capable of guarding multiple positions

Both struggle significantly with shooting.

My money says that Amen never learns to shoot, and Black does. Black has also always competed against his class, so we know that he has risen to the top. Amen has played in a rec league with players who were mostly younger than him. The bust potential is way higher for Amen.

The idea of Amen is better than he will be. He averaged 16 ppg last year as a 20 year old against high school kids. Black averaged 20 ppg 8 apg and won the MVP in a league that had almost all the lottery picks and Sharpe. Black absolutely would've averaged a 20 pt triple double in OTE as an 18 year old.

I wouldn't automatically say Amen is a superior athlete based on what he looked like against that competition.

The buzz is growing for Black to go 4th and Cam 5th. Then we'll have to choose between Walker, Hendricks, Wallace, and Thompsons.

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Anti Chalmers wrote:

Knightro wrote:

thelead wrote:

Watch on YouTube

If you don’t want to watch the whole thing…

1. Spurs - Wemby
2. Hornets - Scoot
3. Blazers - Miller
4. Rockets - Amen
5. Pistons - Whitmore
6. Magic - Black
7. Pacers - Walker
8. Wizards - Ausar
9. Jazz - Hood-Schifino
10. Mavs - Hendricks
11. Magic - Dick

As long as we get Dick, I’m happy

eyriq wrote:The thing working in the Thompson's favor is that they are stat stuffers and crush the measurables. They have elite stats, size, wingspan, and athleticism.

As an analyst you then have to normalize their productivity for an apples to apples comp against other prospects. I don't think people know how to do this yet.

Another thing in their favor is that the top end talent from the NCAA this draft is relatively weak compared to prior years. Once you are past Miller, who isn't by any means a top tier college prospect by historical standards (certainly top 3 worthy though), you get into players that wouldn't normally go top 5 in a draft.

Wemby is easy, Scoot with his G-League performance is also easy, Miller being a strong NCAA prospect makes him easy to pick over the Thompsons, but after that you are really in scary territory.

Edit: I feel really confident that if we trade up we are doing it to take Amen or Ausar (or Scoot, but he feels less risky and more expensive).

basketballRob wrote:

eyriq wrote:The thing working in the Thompson's favor is that they are stat stuffers and crush the measurables. They have elite stats, size, wingspan, and athleticism.

As an analyst you then have to normalize their productivity for an apples to apples comp against other prospects. I don't think people know how to do this yet.

Another thing in their favor is that the top end talent from the NCAA this draft is relatively weak compared to prior years. Once you are past Miller, who isn't by any means a top tier college prospect by historical standards (certainly top 3 worthy though), you get into players that wouldn't normally go top 5 in a draft.

Wemby is easy, Scoot with his G-League performance is also easy, Miller being a strong NCAA prospect makes him easy to pick over the Thompsons, but after that you are really in scary territory.

Edit: I feel really confident that if we trade up we are doing it to take Amen or Ausar (or Scoot, but he feels less risky and more expensive).

High school stats don't matter that much. I think Chuma averaged like 25 ppg 15 rpg, and he was 17. Amen was 20. I consider OTE as high school level.

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