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76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1

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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#581 » by elchengue20 » Mon Nov 13, 2023 6:54 pm

Morey is good, it was not easy at all to turn this mess into a positive situation.

We have a good team, assets and cap room to improve.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#582 » by Negrodamus » Mon Nov 13, 2023 7:22 pm

I think Mike Conley or Gordon Hayward are the move. Guys who want to win it, final year of contract, can play off ball but also have solid distribution ability without being a turnover machine. I think that's the best we can really look for. Paying the price for someone like Ingram is insane to me, tbh. He's way overrated.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#583 » by Arsenal » Mon Nov 13, 2023 7:26 pm

Negrodamus wrote:I think Mike Conley or Gordon Hayward are the move. Guys who want to win it, final year of contract, can play off ball but also have solid distribution ability without being a turnover machine. I think that's the best we can really look for. Paying the price for someone like Ingram is insane to me, tbh. He's way overrated.


Agree with this. However, it won't be Conley. The Wolves are really good so I don't see him being traded.

Hayward OTOH should come available sooner or later. Hornets are going nowhere.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#584 » by Doramas » Mon Nov 13, 2023 7:41 pm

DCasey91 wrote:Don’t know the situation with Rubio but he’s a pro and definitely knows how to a run a team and I always wondered how a traditional PG guy would work with Embiid. I think the results would be pretty good



I am Spanish, like Ricky Rubio, and here we are informed. Rubio has depression. His mother passed away a few years ago, and since then he has had many emotional ups and downs. Hopefully he can get over it soon, as he is a great person and a great player.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#585 » by DCasey91 » Mon Nov 13, 2023 7:57 pm

Doramas wrote:
DCasey91 wrote:Don’t know the situation with Rubio but he’s a pro and definitely knows how to a run a team and I always wondered how a traditional PG guy would work with Embiid. I think the results would be pretty good



I am Spanish, like Ricky Rubio, and here we are informed. Rubio has depression. His mother passed away a few years ago, and since then he has had many emotional ups and downs. Hopefully he can get over it soon, as he is a great person and a great player.



Damn that’s rough always liked him. Fiba 19 then the Olympics was one heck of a run for him, wish him the best. Dudes been a pro for a long long time
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#586 » by FireMorey » Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:00 pm

Mitchell is the pie in the sky target. OG is the most logical and realistic one.

Signs have been pointing to OG for some time now. Nurse loves him. He fits the profile(can play wing, shooter, defender, versatile). They've long coveted a player of his ilk.

I wonder if at some point they swing a multi team deal to land both OG and Brogdon. Brogdon is the backup guard who gets a lot of minutes, and OG slides into the starting lineup. Brogdon's trade value probably has significantly declined given he's hurt yet again, and his top suitor was the Clips who no longer have anything to trade. I can see him being thrown into a deal to the Sixers if they make a trade where something is rerouted to Portland.

If they don't trade for OG I'd be stunned if he isn't their free agent target next summer with their cap room.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#587 » by SixthStreet » Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:23 pm

elchengue20 wrote:Morey is good, it was not easy at all to turn this mess into a positive situation.

We have a good team, assets and cap room to improve.


To look at it in hindsight, it's pretty amazing the job Morey has done. He took a negative asset in Ben Simmons, turned him into the last good years of Harden, then once the juice was fully squeezed from his body turned him into cap flexibility and draft assets by leveraging Harden's inner sad boi and snookering him into the opt-in/trade request and waited out the Clips until they surrendered real assets.

He didn't cave to Masai on Maxey for the washed, big butt PG. Got Melton for late first rounder. The Josh Richardson - Seth Curry swap is forgotten because of playoff failures but that was also keen understanding of value and a great trade.

You can fault him for not taking Halliburton and filler for Simmons but then do either of the Tyrese's become what they are today? He also couldn't move off Tobias but let's be honest that was always the albatross no GM was going to work around. At least he didn't piss away the last of the assets to rid him for nothing.

He's done an amazing job, TBH.

Oh, and he drafted Maxey.
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Post#588 » by FlyingArrow » Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:33 pm

FlyingArrow wrote:Looking for a backup point guard, and considering that we have the regular season to figure it out, we're better off just using the best G-league point guard we can find instead of trading for an established player. Find someone in their athletic peak instead of trying to find an older player where you have no idea how quickly or how far they'll decline.

Looking at last year's G-League assist leaders, along with 3pt% and age:
1. Jacob Gilyard • MHU 9.6 - 41% - 25
2. Zavier Simpson • LAK 9.0 - 47% - 26
3. David Stockton • FWN 9.0 - 40% - 32
4. JD Davison • MNE 8.7 - 32% - 21
5. Shaquille Harrison • SBL 8.3 - 25% - 30
6. Chris Chiozza • LIN 8.1 - 44% - 27
7. Keifer Sykes • MCC 7.9 - 29% - 29
8. Abdul Gaddy • OKL 7.6 - 39% - 31
9. Carlik Jones • WCB 7.0 - 36% - 25
10. Jason Preston • ONT 6.7 - 37% - 24

From that list, there are 5 names with good assist and 3pt numbers who are in their athletic peak (24-29): Gilyard, Simpson, Chiozza, Jones, Preston. Gilyard is currently playing (and recently starting) with Memphis. Of the others, Chiozza has had enough NBA time to say that he probably isn't the answer. The other 3 (Jones, Preston, Simpson) have had minimal NBA time without much success. But they're all older now and more into their peak, so maybe they're viable.

My point here is that for what we need out of this role, we don't need to spend any serious resources. A backup point guard who can protect the ball and hit an open 3pt shot for no more than 10mpg (and often zero mpg) is a need but not something that we need to trade valuable resources for.

(I would say to try our own Delaware 2-way point guards first, but Javonte Smart has habit of having a less than 2:1 A:TO ratio. And Terquavion Smith is only 20. Unlikely that he's ready to the role. Those numbers don't make me think we have the best 2-way players this year. Otoh, Mac McClung's stats were stellar last year. No idea where he is right now - bbref says he was waived in October so maybe he's a free agent? Or trade for someone else's backup as long as it doesn't cost more than a 2RP or two.)


Answering my own question... McClung is on the Magic's G-league roster. His stats from this past week just haven't shown up on bbref yet.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#589 » by Jailblazers7 » Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:40 pm

It really is amazing how simple building a team feels whenever you have a competent GM & coach. It took this organization wayyy to long to get here but this is probably the first time I feel confident we have the right group of decision makers in place.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#590 » by eyeatoma » Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:52 pm

FireMorey wrote:Mitchell is the pie in the sky target. OG is the most logical and realistic one.

Signs have been pointing to OG for some time now. Nurse loves him. He fits the profile(can play wing, shooter, defender, versatile). They've long coveted a player of his ilk.

I wonder if at some point they swing a multi team deal to land both OG and Brogdon. Brogdon is the backup guard who gets a lot of minutes, and OG slides into the starting lineup. Brogdon's trade value probably has significantly declined given he's hurt yet again, and his top suitor was the Clips who no longer have anything to trade. I can see him being thrown into a deal to the Sixers if they make a trade where something is rerouted to Portland.

If they don't trade for OG I'd be stunned if he isn't their free agent target next summer with their cap room.


Eh, I like Mitchell, but with Maxey's emergence he's redundant. I'd prefer to put that towards a swingman/forward.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#591 » by eyeatoma » Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:54 pm

Given our hot start you can pretty much gaurantee Morey makes a move by the deadline to get us that piece. Summer will be icing on the cake, but you don't squander this chance. Boston does not have a big to guard Embiid, the Bucks hemmorage points, Denver is one MPJ/Murray injury from another 1st round exit.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#592 » by M2J » Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:55 pm

Not saying this is the move, but Siakam Except for being a reliable shooter, he fills all holes.

He's a guy capable of running the offense through when Maxey is off the court. Can be a secondary rim protector, rebounder, defend, and fit with Tobi .


Also when he was able to play next to a star, he actually shot the ball pretty well. He knows the coaches system.

OG is a role player, Pascal is an all star role player... That can take over a game.

Plus, I think raptors want to keep OG. Pascal is going to leave for for sure... Should mean less assets
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#593 » by eyeatoma » Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:05 pm

M2J wrote:Not saying this is the move, but Siakam Except for being a reliable shooter, he fills all holes.

He's a guy capable of running the offense through when Maxey is off the court. Can be a secondary rim protector, rebounder, defend, and fit with Tobi .


Also when he was able to play next to a star, he actually shot the ball pretty well. He knows the coaches system.

OG is a role player, Pascal is an all star role player... That can take over a game.

Plus, I think raptors want to keep OG. Pascal is going to leave for for sure... Should mean less assets
Pascal hates Nurse...
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#594 » by zaz102 » Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:03 pm

The Raptors fan here said Siakim was more likely than OG because Nurse favored Siakim and OG hates Nurse. Kyle Neubeck I believe said he heard some players hated Nurse but OG and Siakim had no issue with him.

I have no idea what's true about who hates Nurse lol
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#595 » by eyeatoma » Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:05 pm

zaz102 wrote:The Raptors fan here said Siakim was more likely than OG because Nurse favored Siakim and OG hates Nurse. Kyle Neubeck I believe said he heard some players hated Nurse but OG and Siakim had no issue with him.

I have no idea what's true about who hates Nurse lol
Yeah I've heard both, only Pascal and only OG lol.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#596 » by Kobblehead » Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:13 pm

We are what we are right now due to having athleticism and/or 3&D on the wing for the first time in forever.

So to go up a level, get a better version of that. Jerami Grant and OG Anunoby complete this team IMO.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#597 » by eyeatoma » Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:27 pm

Kobblehead wrote:We are what we are right now due to having athleticism and/or 3&D on the wing for the first time in forever.

So to go up a level, get a better version of that. Jerami Grant and OG Anunoby complete this team IMO.
I like the idea of Grant. Will be a lot cheaper than OG.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#598 » by Covi_Marsh » Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:30 pm

Yea I agree that Ingram wouldn’t fit this scheme unless he gonna actually be taking Tobias role, which would make Tobias useless cuz he’s not a volume 3 point shooter.

I do think the best fit this season would be someone in the Batum build. A 3 point shooter, that has ball handling and BBIQ to pass. Gordon Hayward would be good depth. Although I don’t know how we would match salary unless we package Morris, Furkan, House and Bamba. 4 for 1 is a lot.

Alex Caruso would be a great fit as well. Less salary so easier matching and could start at SG or backup Melton. Same style players so much added depth.
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#599 » by M2J » Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:50 pm

Jerami Grant over OG
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Re: 76ers 2023-24 Season Thread Part 1 

Post#600 » by Skates » Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:59 pm

M2J wrote:Jerami Grant over OG


I prefer OG in a straight up comparison to Grant, but Grant can be had cheaper, with a contract no one loves, but under the new CBA it’s not that bad till his last year or so, at which point he is a big expiring deal. Cost certainly, less assets to obtain, assuming he can accept being that mid tier option Grant is a get that does not spend down your assets as much and allows for a guard to be obtained that complements Tyrese.

Grant is a backup option, but not a horrible part of a set of moves to get you more than one piece.

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