Official Scottie All Star Barnes Thread 8

Bruin · Post #581 » by **Bruin** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:31 am

Congrats Scottie!

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Chandan · Post #582 » by **Chandan** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 3:44 am

HiJiNX wrote:
OakleyDokely wrote:

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Poor defender.

I don't know if it's the high expectations for him to be a lock down defender, but he definitely didn't feel like an A at perimeter defense. There is more nuance to the stats than the eye test i guess.

Post #583 » by **Reeko** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 4:05 am

Just saw the news on Reddit. Scottie bout to be a new papa. Congrats!

Godaddycurse · Post #584 » by **Godaddycurse** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 4:06 am

Chandan wrote:
HiJiNX wrote:
OakleyDokely wrote:

Read on Twitter

Poor defender.

I don't know if it's the high expectations for him to be a lock down defender, but he definitely didn't feel like an A at perimeter defense. There is more nuance to the stats than the eye test i guess.

maybe it doesn't account for the blow-bys? just perimeter shots guarded? :-?

Potential · Post #585 » by **Potential** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 4:26 am

Boring ass last 2 nba finals can't wait till Scott Barnes revives this league

Post #586 » by **HiJiNX** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:31 pm

Godaddycurse wrote:
Chandan wrote:
HiJiNX wrote:Poor defender.

I don't know if it's the high expectations for him to be a lock down defender, but he definitely didn't feel like an A at perimeter defense. There is more nuance to the stats than the eye test i guess.

maybe it doesn't account for the blow-bys? just perimeter shots guarded?

Well everybody gives up blow-bys, even OG, it’s just you notice them more when you’re under a microscope like Scottie has been. But if you look at Scottie’s overall defence he does a great job and pushing offensive players out of their comfort zones, off ball he tags and recovers, he contests almost everything close to him, he sags to take away entry passes, he bumps cutters…just a lot of little things that most people don’t notice. So it’s not just about his one on one defence, which is above average against most players, but his team defence, particularly his ability to read actions away from the ball and kill them before the pass is even made, he’s very special in that regard.

Post #587 » by **HiJiNX** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:40 pm

For months now BBall Index and NBA University has been telling us that Barnes is a top ten passer and top ten defender in the league…and also a way above average end of shot clock scorer. We also know he comes alive in fourth quarters. Maybe as a fanbase we should start believing and recognizing what we have here, which is a franchise player.

TorontoBarneys · Post #588 » by **TorontoBarneys** » Tue Sep 17, 2024 2:40 pm

Potential wrote:Boring ass last 2 nba finals can't wait till Scott Barnes revives this league

I'd rather watch Scottie and the Raptors tank than watch 99% of playoff games.

WuTang_CMB · Post #589 » by **WuTang_CMB** » Fri Sep 20, 2024 11:32 pm

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WuTang_CMB · Post #590 » by **WuTang_CMB** » Mon Sep 23, 2024 2:47 pm

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Vampirate · Post #591 » by **Vampirate** » Mon Sep 23, 2024 8:35 pm

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Is there any footage of his rookie season compared to his 3rd season when he started to struggle compared to this?

OakleyDokely · Post #592 » by **OakleyDokely** » Mon Sep 23, 2024 8:48 pm

VV got superpowers after the birth of his child so I'm expecting a Barnes MVP season.

WuTang_CMB · Post #593 » by **WuTang_CMB** » Mon Sep 23, 2024 9:02 pm

Vampirate wrote:
WuTang_OG wrote:

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Is there any footage of his rookie season compared to his 3rd season when he started to struggle compared to this?

Watch on YouTube

Scase · Post #594 » by **Scase** » Tue Sep 24, 2024 12:15 am

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Vampirate · Post #595 » by **Vampirate** » Tue Sep 24, 2024 1:50 am

Scase wrote:

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This is probably the most pivotal year for that class in determining player ceilings imo.

Barnes, Cade, Kumiga, Mobley, Green, Sengun all have big question marks on them.

Scase · Post #596 » by **Scase** » Tue Sep 24, 2024 3:57 am

Vampirate wrote:
Scase wrote:

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This is probably the most pivotal year for that class in determining player ceilings imo.

Barnes, Cade, Kumiga, Mobley, Green, Sengun all have big question marks on them.

I think Barnes/Cade/Mobley have much less vs Kuminga/Green/Sengun though. Their questions are, can they be true #1 options, for Mobley it's almost certainly a no, the other 2 remains to be seen.

WuTang_CMB · Post #597 » by **WuTang_CMB** » Tue Sep 24, 2024 2:27 pm

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Vampirate · Post #598 » by **Vampirate** » Tue Sep 24, 2024 4:28 pm

Scase wrote:
Vampirate wrote:
Scase wrote:

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This is probably the most pivotal year for that class in determining player ceilings imo.

Barnes, Cade, Kumiga, Mobley, Green, Sengun all have big question marks on them.

I think Barnes/Cade/Mobley have much less vs Kuminga/Green/Sengun though. Their questions are, can they be true #1 options, for Mobley it's almost certainly a no, the other 2 remains to be seen.

With Barnes it's can he regularly create his own shot off the perimeter at a league average efficiency.

With Cade it's can he score at the basket at a near 70% rate. (even last year it was only 60%)

With Mobley it's can he create his own offense.

Sengun has been very consistent, he's going to become an All Star, his ceiling though is relied on his 3 point shot. (he'd need to become Jokic good otherwise)

Kuminga and Green are wild cards, though I trust Kuminga much more.

LuDux1 · Post #599 » by **LuDux1** » Tue Sep 24, 2024 5:38 pm

Should have asked Lou Williams for advice

Scase · Post #600 » by **Scase** » Tue Sep 24, 2024 6:01 pm

Vampirate wrote:
Scase wrote:
Vampirate wrote:
This is probably the most pivotal year for that class in determining player ceilings imo.

Barnes, Cade, Kumiga, Mobley, Green, Sengun all have big question marks on them.

I think Barnes/Cade/Mobley have much less vs Kuminga/Green/Sengun though. Their questions are, can they be true #1 options, for Mobley it's almost certainly a no, the other 2 remains to be seen.

With Barnes it's can he regularly create his own shot off the perimeter at a league average efficiency.

With Cade it's can he score at the basket at a near 70% rate. (even last year it was only 60%)

With Mobley it's can he create his own offense.

Sengun has been very consistent, he's going to become an All Star, his ceiling though is relied on his 3 point shot. (he'd need to become Jokic good otherwise)

Kuminga and Green are wild cards, though I trust Kuminga much more.

Overall I agree, but I think I'd trust green more than Kuminga. Green has been on a trash team and expected to be a driving force, kuminga has been on a stacked team and still I don't think has shown enough.