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Re: LaVine traded to the Kings as part of 3 team deal (Huerter, Tre Jones to Bulls) 

Post#581 » by Dan Z » Sun Feb 23, 2025 9:05 am

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Dan Z wrote:I bet both Portland and Chicago thought that Portland would make the playoffs the next year (and beyond) so maybe better negotiation would mean a better deal on those protections for the Bulls? Even if that wasn't possible it's still an odd set of protections....it was 7 years out!


I remember I said when we made the trade that I thought it was 50/50 we would get the pick, and I was mostly laughed off the forum because everyone had said Portland had made the playoffs 7 straight years (or whatever it was) and Dame alone would get them in, and I had noted they barely sneaked in the previous year, Dame might demand out or get hurt, and if they missed for any reason they'd enter a full rebuild that could easily take many years in the West.

Generally speaking, I agree the vast majority people expected the pick to convey immediately, but for Portland, they looked at it (I'm sure), like if it doesn't convey, then this deal was a huge bust for us, and we're not giving you a lottery pick some time in the future over it. Again, just not enough value for them.

If they can't get a better deal from Portland then just re-sign Lauri and keep him. They shouldn't have been in a rush to dump him for basically nothing. I know the Bulls version of Markkanen isn't what he is today, but he was still a #7 pick who they had been developing for years and had moments that showed some potential.


That certainly would have been a better move in reality, but Lauri didn't want to be here, and we didn't want him here. We wanted to develop Pat and didn't think Lauri could play next to Vuc. Another underrated reason why the Vuc trade was a disaster is that it also made us highly motivated to move on from Lauri which ended up being a mistake at that price.


I agree. It's also one reason why I don't trust AK's ability to evaluate talent.
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Re: LaVine traded to the Kings as part of 3 team deal (Huerter, Tre Jones to Bulls) 

Post#582 » by GuardianEnzo » Sun Feb 23, 2025 9:29 am

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PaKii94 wrote:https://www.reddit.com/r/kings/comments/1ivm2yv/zach_lavine_24_plus_minus/

Kinda feel bad for the Kings but they are the Kangs what can you do?


I mean they paid dead salary for 1.5 years for Zach's deal for 2.5 years, so not sure that's a bad deal for them. Though time will tell. It's sort of hilarious they've got a Zach/DeMar/Sabonis core. While Sabonis is a younger, better version of Vuc, he's the same archtype of a non shooting, non defensive center, and again you have 3 scorers where only one had range and none can defend.


Sabonis has shot 37, 38, and 45% from 3 the past 3 seasons with 67, 64, 67 TS%. He's also a vastly superior defender than Vuc. No comparison between them at all really except being tall and Euro.

Sac has issues but Sabonis isn't one of them. He's outstanding.
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Re: LaVine traded to the Kings as part of 3 team deal (Huerter, Tre Jones to Bulls) 

Post#583 » by WesPeace » Sun Feb 23, 2025 9:59 am

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PaKii94 wrote:https://www.reddit.com/r/kings/comments/1ivm2yv/zach_lavine_24_plus_minus/

Kinda feel bad for the Kings but they are the Kangs what can you do?


I mean they paid dead salary for 1.5 years for Zach's deal for 2.5 years, so not sure that's a bad deal for them. Though time will tell. It's sort of hilarious they've got a Zach/DeMar/Sabonis core. While Sabonis is a younger, better version of Vuc, he's the same archtype of a non shooting, non defensive center, and again you have 3 scorers where only one had range and none can defend.


Sabonis has shot 37, 38, and 45% from 3 the past 3 seasons with 67, 64, 67 TS%. He's also a vastly superior defender than Vuc. No comparison between them at all really except being tall and Euro.

Sac has issues but Sabonis isn't one of them. He's outstanding.


I agree, non comparable on few levels.. Kings made a mistake trading away both good PG, trading for DeMar and now trading for Zach who is bad fit with current team, until Demar is gone and until they get a starting PG.

Remove DeMar, insert back Fox and you have good balanced team again. They just compiled together band of misfits,same as Bulls
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Re: LaVine traded to the Kings as part of 3 team deal (Huerter, Tre Jones to Bulls) 

Post#584 » by dougthonus » Sun Feb 23, 2025 1:00 pm

GuardianEnzo wrote:Sabonis has shot 37, 38, and 45% from 3 the past 3 seasons with 67, 64, 67 TS%. He's also a vastly superior defender than Vuc. No comparison between them at all really except being tall and Euro.


Sabonis is known as a poor rim defender / help defender. He's never had more than half a block per game in a season.

While his percentages are okay from three, he has 1.1, 1.1, and 2.4 attempts per game. He's not someone who sits out there and spaces the floor and shoots very sparingly.

I agree he's much better, I said so as much in my initial post.

In terms of putting a non rim defender / help defender and non shooter next to Zach / DeMar (which was my point), Sabonis creates a similar dynamic of not having enough shooting and not having enough rim defense behind two non defensive perimeter players.
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Post#585 » by kodo » Tue Mar 4, 2025 4:24 am

Congratulations to Lavine, Western Conference Player of the Week.
Gets out of Chicago and picks up an award immediately.

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Post#586 » by sco » Tue Mar 4, 2025 2:21 pm

kodo wrote:Congratulations to Lavine, Western Conference Player of the Week.
Gets out of Chicago and picks up an award immediately.

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Good for Zach. Hope this situation works out for him. Too bad we lacked the ability to put a team around him. I hope Sacto wins the West. He and Demar are good dudes.
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Post#587 » by drosestruts » Tue Mar 4, 2025 2:25 pm

Zach LeBeam!!!
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Post#588 » by Stratmaster » Wed Mar 5, 2025 1:07 am

kodo wrote:Congratulations to Lavine, Western Conference Player of the Week.
Gets out of Chicago and picks up an award immediately.

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You knew it would happen!
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Re: LaVine traded to the Kings as part of 3 team deal (Huerter, Tre Jones to Bulls) 

Post#589 » by NZB2323 » Sat Mar 15, 2025 4:49 am

kodo wrote:Congratulations to Lavine, Western Conference Player of the Week.
Gets out of Chicago and picks up an award immediately.

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And now the Bulls have won 4 in a row and the Kings have lost 4 in a row. Zach is a talented player, but he has his warts.
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Post#590 » by meekrab » Sat Mar 15, 2025 10:05 am

This might have turned out to be a reasonably good trade after all; Jones Huerter and Collins all seem like positive value players who weren't being used to their best effect.
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Post#591 » by jordanwilliams6 » Sat Mar 15, 2025 12:03 pm

LaVine is the same as he always is.

He’s come out and decided to take 29 shots in his last 3 games (all losses). Playing passive again which we’ve seen for stretches before.
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Post#592 » by pipfan » Sat Mar 15, 2025 12:57 pm

I don't miss Lavine at all. We got our pick back, and are winning. Plus, I enjoy watching these guys play hard and like a team.
Now, I know we aren't building towards a title, but at least they're enjoyable for now.

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Post#593 » by ShouldaPaidBG » Sat Mar 15, 2025 7:15 pm

His main problem is ball security and general lack of awareness, on top of an oftentimes whiny and entitled attitude. Him and Vuc on the same team would be completely insufferable. Imagine how bad that would be.
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Post#594 » by ShouldaPaidBG » Sat Mar 15, 2025 7:17 pm

Also Huerter has been great, he clearly needed a change of scenery. I really like him. His defense and rebounding are pretty good.
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Post#595 » by PaKii94 » Sun Mar 23, 2025 10:13 am

Zach continues to be a guy who can get tough iso buckets but provide nothing else. I still am adamant he's a 6th man type player. Put him in to get a few buckets when he's hot and then get him off the floor. Kings are now realizing that now

I can't believe we held onto him for so long and featured him for so long. It was obvious from the beginning he is a dead end and just ain't it but we continued to beat around a dead horse
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Post#596 » by Jcool0 » Sun Mar 23, 2025 12:27 pm

PaKii94 wrote:Zach continues to be a guy who can get tough iso buckets but provide nothing else. I still am adamant he's a 6th man type player. Put him in to get a few buckets when he's hot and then get him off the floor. Kings are now realizing that now

I can't believe we held onto him for so long and featured him for so long. It was obvious from the beginning he is a dead end and just ain't it but we continued to beat around a dead horse


lol Thanks i needed a laugh. One of the top 10 scorers in the NBA is a 6th man. GTFO with that nonsense. Kings are losing for the same reason the Bulls never won him and DeMar aren't a good fit & also Sabonis isn't playing.
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Post#597 » by 2weekswithpay » Sun Mar 23, 2025 2:02 pm

Rewatched the Kings game and this play from Zach stood out. Zach passes up on a wide open 3 to take a stepback. This still infuriates me and he's not even on the team. Zach has all the physical talent but can't the mental aspect of the game.

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Post#598 » by dougthonus » Sun Mar 23, 2025 3:59 pm

2weekswithpay wrote:Rewatched the Kings game and this play from Zach stood out. Zach passes up on a wide open 3 to take a stepback. This still infuriates me and he's not even on the team. Zach has all the physical talent but can't the mental aspect of the game.



Eh, a wide open three where his feet weren't set, he looked off-balance, and he was 3 feet behind the line vs a very mild stepback (really more of a walk back than the aggressive leap back to generate space) and had a corner shot. In my own game, I would have found the shot he took to be an easier shot than the one he passed up. It's probably about 5 feet closer, and he didn't have a hard aggressive momentum backwards to disrupt his rhythm.

Granted, not disagreeing with your overall point that Zach makes odd choices sometimes.
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Post#599 » by sco » Sun Mar 23, 2025 5:20 pm

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2weekswithpay wrote:Rewatched the Kings game and this play from Zach stood out. Zach passes up on a wide open 3 to take a stepback. This still infuriates me and he's not even on the team. Zach has all the physical talent but can't the mental aspect of the game.



Eh, a wide open three where his feet weren't set, he looked off-balance, and he was 3 feet behind the line vs a very mild stepback (really more of a walk back than the aggressive leap back to generate space) and had a corner shot. In my own game, I would have found the shot he took to be an easier shot than the one he passed up. It's probably about 5 feet closer, and he didn't have a hard aggressive momentum backwards to disrupt his rhythm.

Granted, not disagreeing with your overall point that Zach makes odd choices sometimes.

Yeah, Zach's biggest problem is that his first inclination when he gets the ball is to start to dribble, which is ironic because he is so good on catch-and-shoot basketball.
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Re: LaVine traded to the Kings as part of 3 team deal (Huerter, Tre Jones to Bulls) 

Post#600 » by PaKii94 » Mon Mar 24, 2025 2:44 am

Jcool0 wrote:
PaKii94 wrote:Zach continues to be a guy who can get tough iso buckets but provide nothing else. I still am adamant he's a 6th man type player. Put him in to get a few buckets when he's hot and then get him off the floor. Kings are now realizing that now

I can't believe we held onto him for so long and featured him for so long. It was obvious from the beginning he is a dead end and just ain't it but we continued to beat around a dead horse


lol Thanks i needed a laugh. One of the top 10 scorers in the NBA is a 6th man. GTFO with that nonsense. Kings are losing for the same reason the Bulls never won him and DeMar aren't a good fit & also Sabonis isn't playing.


If you say so. Unfortunately it's been the same his entire career And he still had the fundamentals flaws from his early career. How do you cope with the fact that the bulls are now playing much better without him? Let me guess, KH and ZC? Isn't it damning that role players fill his spot better than the "top 10 scorer"? He is, has been, and always will be a dead end until he's a scorer off the bench

I'm just happy we don't have to be held hostage by it anymore.

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