PF targets

[tradez401]

heard the kings are listening to offers for sabonis shot 41% from 3 last year avg 19ppg.

My guess is they would bite on Duren.

Tobias+Duren+Fontecchio and a future 1st or two? If Schroder going there anyways, maybe some how we work in a sign and trade there to involve him? No idea if there are any benefits to that...

Would hurt to lose a rim-runner like Duren, but that can be backfilled.

sabonis at the 4 with stew at the 5 can be pretty dope maybe upgrade from bball paul for a bigger center that can rim run (drummond comes to mind).

[flow]

Lots of chatter on the trade board about Siakim since the Hali injury. What do we have to add to Harris and Stewart?

Proposed on the board (for value reference) -

Pacers trade: Pascal Siakam, Obi Toppin, TJ McConnell
Blazers trade: Jerami Grant, DeAndre Ayton, 2025 #11 pick, 2028 MKE 1st, 2030 MKE 1st

Pacers trade: Siakam, Nesmith
Spurs trade: 2#, Barnes, Sochan, Branham, Keldon Johnson

Pacers aren't doing any of that.

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[the_l_train]

heard the kings are listening to offers for sabonis shot 41% from 3 last year avg 19ppg.

My guess is they would bite on Duren.

Tobias+Duren+Fontecchio and a future 1st or two? If Schroder going there anyways, maybe some how we work in a sign and trade there to involve him? No idea if there are any benefits to that...

Would hurt to lose a rim-runner like Duren, but that can be backfilled.

sabonis at the 4 with stew at the 5 can be pretty dope maybe upgrade from bball paul for a bigger center that can rim run (drummond comes to mind).

I like where your head is at. Trade next years 1st to Brooklyn for #19 tonight and take Clayton Jr right before Orlando does.

Beef Stew/Drummond
Sabonis/Tobias
Ausar/Holland
Ivey/Beasley
Cade/Clayton Jr

...I can work with that.

[tradez401]

My guess is they would bite on Duren.

Tobias+Duren+Fontecchio and a future 1st or two? If Schroder going there anyways, maybe some how we work in a sign and trade there to involve him? No idea if there are any benefits to that...

Would hurt to lose a rim-runner like Duren, but that can be backfilled.

sabonis at the 4 with stew at the 5 can be pretty dope maybe upgrade from bball paul for a bigger center that can rim run (drummond comes to mind).

I like where your head is at. Trade next years 1st to Brooklyn for #19 tonight and take Clayton Jr right before Orlando does.

Beef Stew/Drummond
Sabonis/Tobias
Ausar/Holland
Ivey/Beasley
Cade/Clayton Jr

...I can work with that.

find a way to keep tobias even better...cade/ivey/sabonis becomes ur big 3 of the future.

[the_l_train]

sabonis at the 4 with stew at the 5 can be pretty dope maybe upgrade from bball paul for a bigger center that can rim run (drummond comes to mind).

I like where your head is at. Trade next years 1st to Brooklyn for #19 tonight and take Clayton Jr right before Orlando does.

Beef Stew/Drummond
Sabonis/Tobias
Ausar/Holland
Ivey/Beasley
Cade/Clayton Jr

...I can work with that.

find a way to keep tobias im with it...cade/ivey/sabonis becomes ur big 3 of the future.

Ah, forgot Tobias would be going out in that scenario. Would need to to make the money work. We would need to find a cheaper backup if thats the case, maybe a Laravia type.

Cade.Ivey.Ausar & Sabonis is a nice core for a weakened East.

[tradez401]

I like where your head is at. Trade next years 1st to Brooklyn for #19 tonight and take Clayton Jr right before Orlando does.

Beef Stew/Drummond
Sabonis/Tobias
Ausar/Holland
Ivey/Beasley
Cade/Clayton Jr

...I can work with that.

find a way to keep tobias im with it...cade/ivey/sabonis becomes ur big 3 of the future.

Ah, forgot Tobias would be going out in that scenario. Would need to to make the money work. We would need to find a cheaper backup if thats the case, maybe a Laravia type.

Cade.Ivey.Ausar & Sabonis is a nice core for a weakened East.

or just throw klintman in the backup 4 and hope he works out.

[theBigLip]

find a way to keep tobias im with it...cade/ivey/sabonis becomes ur big 3 of the future.

Ah, forgot Tobias would be going out in that scenario. Would need to to make the money work. We would need to find a cheaper backup if thats the case, maybe a Laravia type.

Cade.Ivey.Ausar & Sabonis is a nice core for a weakened East.

or just throw klintman in the backup 4 and hope he works out.

That would be awesome but I don’t think very likely. And we don’t want to just “get by”. We should make it a position of strength.

[DetroitSho]

Not a PF, but per Bill Simmons pod, Chris Mannix is saying Clippers don't want to pay Normal Powell. Wish we could to a Tobias swap for him straight-up, play Powell at the 3 and Ausar at the 4. One year rental, see how it goes...Powell is on the older side but has the perfect skill set to be our 2nd/3rd guy on offense.

6'3 Norman Powell as our SF and 210lb Ausar Thompson as our PF. The draft and free agency can't get here quick enough ffs.

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[tradez401]

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[ducler]

I can be wrong but to me Sabonis is just a guy who puts up stats and don't play winning basketball (nor defense).

[Crymson]

Sabonis is a center through and through. He played PF defensively -- but center offensively -- when he was paired with Turner in Indiana, but that was less than ideal.

He's also the sort of bad defender at center who's tough to win with in the postseason -- yes, I know the Nuggets did it with Jokic, but Jokic is Jokic, and he also had a defense purpose-built around him -- and given how much he operates with the ball on offense, he'd be less than ideal as a running mate for Cade.

Definitely not in the cards, particularly at his salary and given the assets that it would cost to acquire him.

[the_l_train]

If we end up doing a deal with Pelicans (fingers crossed its for Trey Murphy), curious if we could somehow get Yves Missi...good rebounder and better defender than Duren, and on a cheap contract the next 3 years...seems like an after-thought for Pelicans now that they have their man Dairy Queen.

[DET_Athletics]

John Collins just picked up his player option, I would send Tech back to Utah and a sign and trade with Hardway to make up the difference and pick compensation with 2nd rounders, as long as it doesn't keep us from signing Beasley. That's a solid 10 man rotation, plus it would give us 50+ mil in expiring to be active at the trade deadline with the only person with fear of losing is Tobias since we don't have his bird rights.

Cade / Sasser
Ivey / Beasley / Lanier
Thompson / Holland
Harris / Collins / Klintman
Duren / Stewart / vet min.

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[Crymson]

John Collins just picked up his player option, I would send Tech back to Utah and a sign and trade with Hardway to make up the difference and pick compensation with 2nd rounders, as long as it doesn't keep us from signing Beasley. That's a solid 10 man rotation, plus it would give us 50+ mil in expiring to be active at the trade deadline with the only person with fear of losing is Tobias since we don't have his bird rights.

Cade / Sasser
Ivey / Beasley / Lanier
Thompson / Holland
Harris / Collins / Klintman
Duren / Stewart / vet min.

If Sasser is backup PG for this team, we're likely looking at big problems.

There will not be enough minutes for Collins in that situation anyway.

[Canadafan]

John Collins just picked up his player option, I would send Tech back to Utah and a sign and trade with Hardway to make up the difference and pick compensation with 2nd rounders, as long as it doesn't keep us from signing Beasley. That's a solid 10 man rotation, plus it would give us 50+ mil in expiring to be active at the trade deadline with the only person with fear of losing is Tobias since we don't have his bird rights.

Cade / Sasser
Ivey / Beasley / Lanier
Thompson / Holland
Harris / Collins / Klintman
Duren / Stewart / vet min.

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Shroder instead of Sasser and I'm in

[esvl]

Aldama shot 36.8% on threes, not terrible for a young big. 18/9/4 per 36, 16.8 PER. Numbers look good. Anybody see much of him?

A Grizz fan.He has a nice, high release and stroke. 3pt shooting is what DET can certainly count on. I believe he will be closer to 40%. He has above average BBIQ and character. His weaknesses in my view are physicality, strength, lateral quickness. But I am under impression that his body hasn’t matured yet which is the main cause for two first weaknesses. Once he is fully matured, he will be better in the paint, in bigs’ stuff.

What DET would be willing to pay in SNT? I believe cap relief and future 1st would likely make it happen from the Memphis perspective.

[MotownMadness]

Aldama shot 36.8% on threes, not terrible for a young big. 18/9/4 per 36, 16.8 PER. Numbers look good. Anybody see much of him?

A Grizz fan.He has a nice, high release and stroke. 3pt shooting is what DET can certainly count on. I believe he will be closer to 40%. He has above average BBIQ and character. His weaknesses in my view are physicality, strength, lateral quickness. But I am under impression that his body hasn’t matured yet which is the main cause for two first weaknesses. Once he is fully matured, he will be better in the paint, in bigs’ stuff.

What DET would be willing to pay in SNT? I believe cap relief and future 1st would likely make it happen from the Memphis perspective.

Give you Sasser, Fontecchio and some 2nds

[zeebneeb]

Duren isn't going anywhere, and certainly not for Sabonis. Cade would lose his mind in that scenario, losing not only a lob threat, but the best lob duo in the entire league. It would be a huge setback for the offense, and handcuff Cade. (Not to mention, probably piss him off)

Stewart
Sabonis
Ausar
Ivey
Cade

Is a hilariously bad lob group, which Cade counts on to free him up, and as a release valve on offense. No universe this makes sense, or happens.

Now, if you can add Sabonis next to Duren, even if the defense up front is probably gonna be bad, maybe that can work.

Best course of action is to keep Duren, and add a legitimate starting PF, like Aldama, Naz, e.t.c.

It all depends on how aggressive Langdon is gonna be, and from the sounds of it, he prefers sitting on his hands, with his thumb up his ass.

He can free up the cap space, and offer Naz a big ass contract, solidifying the starting group.

Cade
Ivey
Ausar
Naz
Duren

All young, and would be a formidable group. I say strike while the iron is hot. You've got two prototype PF up for grabs, and who knows when that will be available again. Go get it done. Everyone knows their is a limit on the team with Harris as your starting PF.

[esvl]

Aldama shot 36.8% on threes, not terrible for a young big. 18/9/4 per 36, 16.8 PER. Numbers look good. Anybody see much of him?

A Grizz fan.He has a nice, high release and stroke. 3pt shooting is what DET can certainly count on. I believe he will be closer to 40%. He has above average BBIQ and character. His weaknesses in my view are physicality, strength, lateral quickness. But I am under impression that his body hasn’t matured yet which is the main cause for two first weaknesses. Once he is fully matured, he will be better in the paint, in bigs’ stuff.

What DET would be willing to pay in SNT? I believe cap relief and future 1st would likely make it happen from the Memphis perspective.

Give you Sasser, Fontecchio and some 2nds

That seems reasonable, though likely not very competitive.

[tmorgan]

I don’t see any limit at all when Tobias is your 3rd/4th option on offense, which is what he is.

I do see a limit when you start THJ as we did last year. Hopefully that’s over.