Officlal Prospect thread

[cpfsf]

sorry this is a few days old. I forgot to post it when it came out, but it's just as relevant.

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20100104/SPORTS020604/100104033/1091/SPORTS02/A-Courtside-Seat-Cyclones-star-gets-respect-from-foes

The league is watching. There will be 18 NBA scouts on hand for Iowa State’s game against Duke on Wednesday at the United Center in Chicago, Ill. Former Iowa State star Fred Hoiberg, vice president of basketball operations for the Minnesota Timberwolves, will bring four people with him to the Cyclones’ Jan. 13 game against Texas at Hilton Coliseum.

[Devilzsidewalk]

Favors is so DAMN raw and far away from being a good nba player it's laughable.

I've seen him play 4 x now this year. He's pretty brutal, has no offensive package, and outside of 3-4 feet literally has nothing. He's a GOOD athlete, but close to the level of an Amare, not even in his league really.

Favors seriously strugles with getting fouls, and he looks very indecisive and has no real go to post moves whatsoever. He's a long term project who will need 4-5 years to realize his potential if he gets there or not is another question.

I'd be shocked if he goes top 3 at this point, He's gonna slide down a little bit, to 4-6, nothing dramatic someone will love his potential. But that's all he really is at this point is a "potential" player, some team may have to wait A LONG time on this kid to arrive, if he does.

I'd take Turner 10 x out of 10 over this dude, and I hope Kahn thinks the same way, i'm sure he does though.

seems to be shaping up that way definitely. I think the top 3 prospects are Wall, Turner, Aminu in that order. I don't feel confident about anybody else yet. I also think we'll get no better than the 4th pick.

[john2jer]

You're calling Aminu as a top 3 pick? Interesting...

[cpfsf]

I knew there was an age difference between Favors and Turner, but I didn't realize Turner was a few months away from being 3 years old than favors. Still want Turner though.

[Krapinsky]

Yowsers.

[Devilzsidewalk]

You're calling Aminu as a top 3 pick? Interesting...

I feel like we already went through this with Evans last year, but anyways, you take a top 10 HS prospect and add in some gaudy college #'s and a prototype physique, and you have a recipe for success. Thats non-stop proven elite play. No gaps in there. On the flip side, take a top 10 HS prospect like J Holiday and add in a horrible college career and who knows what you have in the NBA. So far, not much. I look at Wesley Johnson the same way, he's a mediocre HS prospect, has mediocre success his 1st couple years, transfers and now he's doing better, but not blowing the doors off the building or anything, and he's way older than everybody else too, I'm just not feeling him before Aminu at all, doesn't make sense to me. Why would I ever prefer a player who's way older, less physically gifted, and less productive in college and high school? Thats a risk I can do without.

[Esohny]

You're calling Aminu as a top 3 pick? Interesting...

I feel like we already went through this with Evans last year, but anyways, you take a top 10 HS prospect and add in some gaudy college #'s and a prototype physique, and you have a recipe for success. Thats non-stop proven elite play. No gaps in there. On the flip side, take a top 10 HS prospect like J Holiday and add in a horrible college career and who knows what you have in the NBA. So far, not much. I look at Wesley Johnson the same way, he's a mediocre HS prospect, has mediocre success his 1st couple years, transfers and now he's doing better, but not blowing the doors off the building or anything, and he's way older than everybody else too, I'm just not feeling him before Aminu at all, doesn't make sense to me. Why would I ever prefer a player who's way older, less physically gifted, and less productive in college and high school? Thats a risk I can do without.

So where would you put Xavier Henry? He fits most of your criteria, although he's not top-level explosive.

[Devilzsidewalk]

You're calling Aminu as a top 3 pick? Interesting...

I feel like we already went through this with Evans last year, but anyways, you take a top 10 HS prospect and add in some gaudy college #'s and a prototype physique, and you have a recipe for success. Thats non-stop proven elite play. No gaps in there. On the flip side, take a top 10 HS prospect like J Holiday and add in a horrible college career and who knows what you have in the NBA. So far, not much. I look at Wesley Johnson the same way, he's a mediocre HS prospect, has mediocre success his 1st couple years, transfers and now he's doing better, but not blowing the doors off the building or anything, and he's way older than everybody else too, I'm just not feeling him before Aminu at all, doesn't make sense to me. Why would I ever prefer a player who's way older, less physically gifted, and less productive in college and high school? Thats a risk I can do without.

So where would you put Xavier Henry? He fits most of your criteria, although he's not top-level explosive.

he seems like a top 10 pick so far, but we need to watch them more, they're just getting started w/ the Big 12 season

[canucklife21]

Xavier Henry is a great player however i feel hes holding back due to the fact of players such as collins and aldrich yes hes leading the team in scoreing and aldrich is not a huge part of offence as we all wish he could . i will def keep a close eye on henry and see if he can be that big time player and crack into the top 5 in the draft. i feel he can.

[canucklife21]

as for Aminu i feel hes a great player and returning to school was a great choice however i hope he can play on the wing more because of the fact in the nba he will be a 3. improvement in his jump shot and more of attack mode player can def put aminu into the top 5 aswell

[Krapinsky]

See I think Aminu is one of those players that can play the 3, but will always be better as a 4, which is why I think he's a poor fit for this team.

[dunkonu21]

Watched James Anderson vs Okalahoma last night. He is a very big guy, has a good shot and pretty much is the start and finish of Ok St's offense. Problems are he is kinda lazy on offense (he was pretty active on d), his main points come when he is dominating the ball. It is important to note that he has a bummed ankle and was being tested for a concussion and still found a way to hit the game tying fg to put it in ot.

This kid would have a lot to learn coming into our offense, but he is playing with a back to the basket post and saw him throw some good entry passes. He actually could fit pretty nicely with our team, cuz he is fine not having the ball (what i called lazy before, only cuz he was making crappy cuts) and he def would stretch the defense.

Most of what I like about him is his size (he was dominating Oklahoma physically) and his athleticism (youtube him).

[dunkonu21]

I only watched Favors for about 10 mins in real time, but he looked soft. No thanks.

[Foye]

I feel like Henry will stay in college for one more season and end up being a top 3 pick.

He should be high on our radar as well. Maybe he's got even more potential than Evan Turner.

[Casperkid23]

You're calling Aminu as a top 3 pick? Interesting...

I feel like we already went through this with Evans last year, but anyways, you take a top 10 HS prospect and add in some gaudy college #'s and a prototype physique, and you have a recipe for success. Thats non-stop proven elite play. No gaps in there. On the flip side, take a top 10 HS prospect like J Holiday and add in a horrible college career and who knows what you have in the NBA. So far, not much. I look at Wesley Johnson the same way, he's a mediocre HS prospect, has mediocre success his 1st couple years, transfers and now he's doing better, but not blowing the doors off the building or anything, and he's way older than everybody else too, I'm just not feeling him before Aminu at all, doesn't make sense to me. Why would I ever prefer a player who's way older, less physically gifted, and less productive in college and high school? Thats a risk I can do without.

Do not compare Evans with Aminu... please.

Against the top teams in the country, Aminu has struggled offensively... and that's putting it lightly. Defensively, he has the tools to be menacing, that's certain - but he's not at that level yet even in college ball.

I just think you're going a bit over the top with top-3 at the moment, especially when are making it seem like Aminu is doing more than Johnson with the words you're using - which is far, far from the truth.

[Devilzsidewalk]

they've played 2 conference games, bit premature to say he's struggled against the top teams in the country, we don't even know who the top teams in the country are

[Krapinsky]

they've played 2 conference games, bit premature to say he's struggled against the top teams in the country, we don't even know who the top teams in the country are

He had poor games (statistically) against Gonzaga and Purdue, the two best teams they have faced this year, but the next week should be telling with games @UNC and @ Duke

[Casperkid23]

they've played 2 conference games, bit premature to say he's struggled against the top teams in the country, we don't even know who the top teams in the country are

If that's your way of sidestepping the argument, then fine, however it's not premature to say which teams are good and which aren't when guys are 15+ games into the season. However, you're going out and saying that Johnson hasn't impressed you when he's stepped up and had great games against the good opposition, and then Aminu has shot sub 40% against quality opponents, has turned the ball over at an obscene rate, and hasn't shown himself to be able to knock down the 3 as some would hope. His biggest strengths right now are getting up and rebounding the ball for a SF, and his athletic/physical tools.

He's not top-3 on my board, obviously, and I don't think he'll be top-3 on yours after the coming weeks.

[Krapinsky]

How committed are you at this point Devilz? Is this your guy?

I'm curious b/c his past two favorites were Love and Evans.

[dunkonu21]

Good call Dr Krap. It's a good idea to remember who everyone's prospects have been in the past. I'll commit to loving DeAndre Jordan/Granger/Thornton and not being very excited about CP3 and being excited about Gerald Green haha.