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Post#61 » by Hoopalotta » Tue Nov 16, 2010 5:59 pm

Considering that we've got about $33 million committed to the backcourt next year, four rotation players expiring and absolutely nobody at all plugged in at the small forward slot, it's pretty obvious that this is a moot conversation. We'll have a hard enough time just filling out the rotation with functionality giventhe available cap space, never mind getting 'impact vets'.

Hypothetically speaking in the "quick turnaround" school of thought and assuming our current roster carries on into next summer, if we spend the money on the sort of big we can afford (Tyson Chandler?), our hole at the 3 is gaping. If we plug the 3 instead, we're probably looking at Booker and Seraphin as the third and fourth bigs with Javale as a starter. Neither of those angles is sounding particularly transcendent and we'd do better just trying to absorb a disposable expiring or two. The difference in competence is not going to be worth giving up the flexibility.

What is means is that...

Ruzious wrote:the youth movement approach is the only thing that makes sense.


Given our salary structure, the decision has already been made.

I like the Jennings comparison from the "Wall as our Bogut" perspective.
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Post#62 » by closg00 » Tue Nov 16, 2010 7:28 pm

Perry Jones sounds good to me for our top-3 pick.
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Post#63 » by zenvibes » Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:20 pm

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zenvibes wrote:well here's the thing with the roster as is...you have John Wall. That automatically puts you in win now mode.

Losing a ton this year in year one will be forgivable if you get a high pick out of it and can turn that pick and some of the younger undeveloped talent on the team into some good veteran help. My guess is your GM starts to go that direction as soon as trade deadline this year.


Someone didn't get the memo.

A) The team is out n' out terrible with fundamental flaws built into the roster.
B) Ownership has made it abundantly clear that they're full on with a youth movement.


This is true. I am getting up to date with the team.

But the overwhelming factor or rate determining step in this entire thread is John Wall. Someone mentioned Rose earlier but Paul or Deron can be used instead. Wall may or may not be as efficient as these guys this year or as productive, but he is every bit as good if not better. He really is. I personally think the best PG in the game going forward for the next 10 years is on your roster. I think he can and will be a better defender than all the others, a better scorer, and looks like a big-time crunch player in the making.

You can't put off winning too long for a guy like this. Do you want to end up with a player like Gary Payton or Micheal Jordan? A winning culture and giving an athlete a sense that it is doing everything it can to win is huge in not only his development as a winner and his attutude about winning but also in keeping him.

You MUST look at the current trends. nearly every single one of the best players in the game right now are switching teams to get in bigger markets and/or under the guise of "winning." His rookie deal will come and go quick and if history shows us anything, rare is it that a Magic Johnson rookie type gets to team up with a Kareem to start winning it all immediately. History has shown us that Wall's true window to win it all as his team's alpha will open in 3-4 years as he learns the game, devolps defensively and offensively, etc...right about the time his rookie deal expires. You have got to keep him happy from now til then. And sure, right now just being in the NBA and living his dream and having some duckets to blow at the club on big bootie hotties will keep him satisfied. That won't last beyond April at the latest. Me? I'm good with a lifetime of that, but I don't have his kind of talent. At that point he will be wondering what the team is doing to help him fulfill whatever legacy he wants to establish for himself and my guess is he thinks highly of himself.

I'm not suggesting that the Wizards start spending foolishly like cleveland did with larry hughes et al. In fact, the wizards aren't looking for 20 ppg scorers like cleveland was back then to build around Lebron. The Wizards arleady have 3 20ish ppg scorers on the roster!!! in Wall, Arenas, and Blatche. The wizards just need the cheapest things pieces. Role players...that essentially cost about the same as top 5 picks. You already have you're role palyer extraordinaire in kirk. You got your microwave/former super star in arenas (and he aint going no where...no one wants that contract for quite sometime. For Arenas' sake as well...you must start to win now...dude (for all the talent in th eworld) has the attention span of an 8 year old. If there is any chance of Arenas truly buying in to a 6th man role it is if the team is winning and he feel relevant. Then you might have a glimpse of the Arenas of old (and hopefully with someone capable holding the reigns).

Wizards need a role playing C and SF...as well as a dirty work PF to back up Blatche when he feel like playing like a project. You have got be very either very good or very lucky to find those in the draft. But they are their and usually in the 2nd round or late first. Picks you can buy not earn through sucking. You can buy a carlos Boozer, taj Gibson, whatshis puss for the spurs. the dirty work role players generally dont go above pick 15 and that's what the Wizards need. And in the meantime fight like hell both on the court and in the front office for the 8th seed to change the culture and keep wall's head in it to keep him in DC.

More top 5 lotto pick project type players will likely just set you back at this point. And I'm some level I'm sure the front office is aware of what they have and what they need to do to get there regardless of what they are selling in their own press releases.
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Post#64 » by Inliten1 » Tue Nov 16, 2010 8:32 pm

Perry Jones and Harrison Barnes are going top 3. If the Wiz don't get luck in the lotto, I think they should shoot for a running mate at the 2 to pair with Wall. PG / SG chemistry takes longer to mature, and its best to give Serphine and Booker another year to prove their worth. After next season, the team will know if they have starter material in either of them, and which potions they can play at (Serphine 4 or 5?) (Booker 3 or 4?).
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Post#65 » by closg00 » Thu Nov 18, 2010 2:46 am

How do you like for our top-3 pick? Barnes, Jones, or someone else?
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Post#66 » by Inliten1 » Thu Nov 18, 2010 4:22 pm

Barnes and Jones are great choices. I'd lean toward Jones cause he has the length advantage, but there is a lot of college ball to be played. Outside of those two, I think there really isn't much to chose from at the forward or center spots, and since a point guard was just drafted, a solid shooting guard is the best option (again if Barnes and Jones aren't there at the draft slot).

I can through out Alec Burks' name from Colorado. But seeing how players do this season is key.
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Post#67 » by Lightz » Thu Nov 18, 2010 9:00 pm

I don't know if Jones would be the right pick. Watching Baylor the other day (and after following him in HS) it's very clear that he's an NBA project and not an immediate impact player. He has great size, great length, and a fantastic handle to go with freakish athleticism but he's failed to dominate an ANY level including HS. He'd have HS games where his stat-line would be like 11 pts 9 rbs and he didn't even play in a stacked HS division. He's also position-less right now. Unreal potential but as we know with McGee it takes a while for that type of player to start making an impact.


A guy whose looking beastly is Jarred Sullinger, may be the second coming of Elton Brand: a big-strong legitimate post player who is a bit undersized but makes up for it with his weight, strength, and wing-span which are all excellent. He's a good but not phenomenal athlete for someone his weight, and although he hasn't shown it this year yet for OSU he can knock down 3's. Maybe too low of a ceiling for a top 3 pick but if he's around at 5-10 I'd love for us to draft him.
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Post#68 » by Ruzious » Thu Nov 18, 2010 10:38 pm

Lightz wrote:I don't know if Jones would be the right pick. Watching Baylor the other day (and after following him in HS) it's very clear that he's an NBA project and not an immediate impact player. He has great size, great length, and a fantastic handle to go with freakish athleticism but he's failed to dominate an ANY level including HS. He'd have HS games where his stat-line would be like 11 pts 9 rbs and he didn't even play in a stacked HS division. He's also position-less right now. Unreal potential but as we know with McGee it takes a while for that type of player to start making an impact.


A guy whose looking beastly is Jarred Sullinger, may be the second coming of Elton Brand: a big-strong legitimate post player who is a bit undersized but makes up for it with his weight, strength, and wing-span which are all excellent. He's a good but not phenomenal athlete for someone his weight, and although he hasn't shown it this year yet for OSU he can knock down 3's. Maybe too low of a ceiling for a top 3 pick but if he's around at 5-10 I'd love for us to draft him.

I need to see more of Sullinger - I was half asleep while watching the other night. But I didn't get the impression he was as good as Brand - when Brand was a frosh at Duke. Brand was just a better athlete. My first impression of Sully was he was more like Boozer or Al Jefferson. He definitely has power and skills and can put up numbers. But again, I need to see more - when I'm awake - and see mainly if he plays defense.

We need to get the BPA - unless the BPA is a PG.
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Post#69 » by Lightz » Fri Nov 19, 2010 1:48 am

Ruzious wrote:
Lightz wrote:I don't know if Jones would be the right pick. Watching Baylor the other day (and after following him in HS) it's very clear that he's an NBA project and not an immediate impact player. He has great size, great length, and a fantastic handle to go with freakish athleticism but he's failed to dominate an ANY level including HS. He'd have HS games where his stat-line would be like 11 pts 9 rbs and he didn't even play in a stacked HS division. He's also position-less right now. Unreal potential but as we know with McGee it takes a while for that type of player to start making an impact.


A guy whose looking beastly is Jarred Sullinger, may be the second coming of Elton Brand: a big-strong legitimate post player who is a bit undersized but makes up for it with his weight, strength, and wing-span which are all excellent. He's a good but not phenomenal athlete for someone his weight, and although he hasn't shown it this year yet for OSU he can knock down 3's. Maybe too low of a ceiling for a top 3 pick but if he's around at 5-10 I'd love for us to draft him.

I need to see more of Sullinger - I was half asleep while watching the other night. But I didn't get the impression he was as good as Brand - when Brand was a frosh at Duke. Brand was just a better athlete. My first impression of Sully was he was more like Boozer or Al Jefferson. He definitely has power and skills and can put up numbers. But again, I need to see more - when I'm awake - and see mainly if he plays defense.

We need to get the BPA - unless the BPA is a PG.


There's a pretty chance that a lot of the best available players will be PGs: Kyrie Irving (duke), Brandon Knight (Kentucky) and Josh Selby (Kansas), are all frosh that look like great pro PG prospects. Could work in our favor though if we could get one of those guys and trade them for a lower pick + something else, or just trade the pick altogether to a lottery team in need of a PG.
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Post#70 » by closg00 » Fri Nov 19, 2010 2:15 am

Damn, the Clippers are on-track for getting a top-3 pick yet again....league worst record I believe.
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Post#71 » by Hoopalotta » Fri Nov 19, 2010 2:31 am

closg00 wrote:Damn, the Clippers are on-track for getting a top-3 pick yet again....league worst record I believe.


They were looking awful against Indiana too - they're a lock for nigh rock bottom with that roster unless Kaman comes around. But, they're more likely to trade him than anything.

They're starting three rookies and two third year players.
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Post#72 » by Ruzious » Fri Nov 19, 2010 2:35 am

There are always a couple of players that seem to come out of nowhere that shoot towards the top of the draft. If you watched the MD/Pitt game, I think you saw an example for the future - Zanna on Pitt - he doesn't even have a bio on draftexpress.com - but I'll be shocked if he's not a future lottery pick. He's a mini Olajuwon - at 6'9 225. Akeem was raw as a frosh, and Zanna is also - as a red-shirt frosh. He's got tremendous feet - super quick, great balance, has a real nice touch on offense - and hit baseline j's, excellent anticipation on defense and on the boards. Even the way he set picks was impressive - he gets into and out of the set position so quickly and naturally. Even his FT shooting impressed me. It's only 1 game, and he needs a lot more experience and more bulk, but this guy is a natural.
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Post#73 » by Inliten1 » Fri Nov 19, 2010 3:04 pm

I think Perry Jones can play Small Forward in the NBA. Look at a guy like Austin Daye in Detroit. As Jones gets older and slower, he can transition into the Power Forward spot.

One issue with a guy like Sullinger or the player from Pitt is Kevin Seraphin. Can the Wizards compete with two 6'9'' players in the starting lineup? Given that Kevin and the first rounder from 2011 are first rounders, they should project to start one day.

And what kind of message would it send to a guy like Blatche or McGee (who they'll have to make a decision on an extension soon) to draft post players with first round picks two years in a row.

If the Wizards plan on selecting a PF or C in next years draft, they have to consider trading either McGee or Blatche. There would be too much of a log jam of young players at the 4 and 5.
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Post#74 » by Pollinator » Fri Nov 19, 2010 3:52 pm

Just to add to that logjam of post players, there's Enes Kanter who apparently is now ineligible at Kentucky- that guy is a beast at 6-11 272, he's got great hands, great touch, and supposedly when he sets up shop in the low post you cannot move him.

Apparently he is a big fan of the Undertaker and the WWE... as I haven't watched pro wrestling since the 80's I'm not sure what that means, except that he probably doesn't mind a little skin to skin contact, which is a lot more than you can say about our current starters at the 4 and 5.

If we end up at #4-8 in the draft I would be happy with either Kanter or Sullinger. I go back and forth about whether Blatche and McGee can play together, but after watching the 1st 10 games, I think you need at least one of your starting PF or C be strong enough that the opposition can't just flick them out of the lane with their little pinkie fingers.
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Post#75 » by Ruzious » Fri Nov 19, 2010 4:06 pm

I haven't seen Kanter, but I'm more intrigued with him than I am with Sullinger. Reading about him, he sounds just like Jeff Ruland - a great natural low post scorer even against taller and more athletic players - and the guy who ends up coming down with the rebound in a crowd. And no nonsense - he's all business out there. Also, he's taller than Sullinger. Unfortunately, like Ruland - he's got knee issues.
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Post#76 » by Hoopalotta » Fri Nov 19, 2010 5:50 pm

I wouldn't worry too much about the log jam issues as I think we're really going to need a very solid additional big even with Blatche and McGee. Kanter is probably the guy I'm most interested in of the bigs at this early date as well, in no small part due to his very legit frame. All I've seen is You-Tube videos to date, but he looks Polish (OK, polished). Obviously it's early.

I think with Wall, we can get by with some cheaper wings in the rotation and would love to see us run a roster not unlike the Lakers. I personally would not be at all bashful about paying McGee big money if he were coming off the bench for 26 minutes a game either as he could be a real game winner in that role overloading his matchups.

As to Seraphin et. all, we can just trade whoever is out of the top 3. It's not such a big deal and can be sorted out later. Someone will get hurt and everyone will be able to showcase themselves, so I wouldn't worry about it. The 17th pick does not necessarily project to be a starter, anyway.
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Post#77 » by Ed Wood » Fri Nov 19, 2010 6:43 pm

Yeah I don't think there's any position or player on the Wizard's roster who should have a very significant impact on the team's drafting strategy other than Wall. The strength of this upcoming draft, if my crystal ball is working today, is going to be in big men and in athletic wings. The Wizards have a few of each, but nobody who should be preventing the team from going with the best bet they can find in the draft. Even if a power forward catches the team's eye I'd say go for it, Blatche is flexible enough to play with another forward in the short term and who knows what the hell is going to shake out with the Wizards' frontcourt in the long term.

Players who have impressed me in the early going include Tristan Thompson of Texas, who has a lot of physical ability and a great motor and looks pretty skilled as well, so long as he isn't shooting from the free throw line.

Jordan Hamilton, also of Texas reminds me a little of Martell Webster in that he's a solidly built wing with a good shot but he might be more of a specialist in the NBA.

Chris Singleton is shooting very well so far and continues to be really athletic but I'm not sure I buy his improved shooting just yet.

Ralph Sampson is killing it so far this year and I don't know if he'll actually look better in a less deliberate offense and we just drafted an undersized power forward but if we hadn't, or if we wanted another Arizona's Derrick Williams is an absurdly efficient scorer, but not the prodigal rebounder that a lot of undersized success stories in the NBA have been.

Arsalan Kazemi of Rice, however, is pretty good at rebounding, but may end up being a Dominic McGuire style tweener without much offense if his shot doesn't improve. Alex Oriakhi of Connecticut is also a crazy rebounder but kinda reminds me of Joey Dorsey sometimes in terms of a certain lack of finesse, but still rebounds don't lie.

Another big guy doing a lot in limited time is Villanova's Mouphtaou Yarou, who I really like. But productive as he's been in limited time he probably isn't coming out this year.

A few more athletic wings who have started well are Wesley Witherspoon, Kawhi Leonard and Tyler Honeycutt, all of whom I like a little. But in the early going sometimes really athletic guys can put up disproportionate stats based on physical ability and cool off a little in conference play.

So that's basically everybody who's on a D-1 team this year. Ya'll can just go home.
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Post#78 » by REDardWIZskin » Fri Nov 19, 2010 6:53 pm

Ruzious wrote:There are always a couple of players that seem to come out of nowhere that shoot towards the top of the draft. If you watched the MD/Pitt game, I think you saw an example for the future - Zanna on Pitt - he doesn't even have a bio on draftexpress.com - but I'll be shocked if he's not a future lottery pick. He's a mini Olajuwon - at 6'9 225. Akeem was raw as a frosh, and Zanna is also - as a red-shirt frosh. He's got tremendous feet - super quick, great balance, has a real nice touch on offense - and hit baseline j's, excellent anticipation on defense and on the boards. Even the way he set picks was impressive - he gets into and out of the set position so quickly and naturally. Even his FT shooting impressed me. It's only 1 game, and he needs a lot more experience and more bulk, but this guy is a natural.


agreed Ruz, Barnes looked good last night as too with 19 pts at the half. When is Baylor's first televised game?
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Post#79 » by no D in Hibachi » Sat Nov 20, 2010 1:15 am

I'm interested in Enes Kanter, if for no other reason it'll be great to scream my Enes is bigger than your Enes at the games. However, I'm a bit mixed about his measurements. Will he measure 6'9'' as reported or 6'11'' as listed on various draft sites? I don't think he can play the 5 at 6'9'' in the NBA. He could either be a top 3 pick at 6'11'' or an 8-10 pick at 6'9''.
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Post#80 » by Hoopalotta » Sat Nov 20, 2010 3:17 pm

Terrance Jones (Frosh of Kentucky) reminds me of a more explosive Marvin WIlliams who can work off the dribble, which might make him a more physically impressive version of Loul Deng, but with a much more limited skill set at this stage (shooting in particular).

He's very large for a small forward, has a massive wingspan and is probably more powerful and springy than quick, but he plays way too upright when he doesn't have the ball (on both ends, actually), and this diminishes his athletic impact; he often doesn't get into a wide stance and kind of looks like a big dork with both feet almost touching each other. Very, very burly for a small forward and he seems to have a huge butt in that he runs with that same stooped forward posture like Marvin and Seraphin. :lol:

I can't say much as I just saw a bit, but I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up being mid-high lottery as a project. Hard to find better raw tools outside of quickness than what he's got and he should be able to affect the game in most all phases if he puts it together. If he maximizes his potential as a defender, he'd be big time, but I doubt he's consistent enough of a shooter to help too much in the short term.

I don't know if I'd like him for us, though - I'd say we need more of a shooter.

Brandon Knight is extremely quick and should fit into that lottery conversation as well, though I wasn't paying too much attention.
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