PG: Raptors > Heat

[Mattd97]

for one season can we just back all our players? theres no bosh v bargs, theres no hedo taking a crap on our logo. we can call them out after a poor performance but wedont need to have all these personal allegiances anymore

[S.W.A.N]

Does Dupree have a non-guaranteed contract? Because he doesn't belong to the NBA and should get waived before the pre-season ends. We already have DD, Weems, Kleiza and Weems capable playing at the SF - why have this scrub?

non-guaranteed, 16th man training camp fodder only seen the floor after 40 point lead...

[Lionel Messi]

Does Dupree have a non-guaranteed contract? Because he doesn't belong to the NBA and should get waived before the pre-season ends. We already have DD, Weems, Kleiza and Weems capable playing at the SF - why have this scrub?

He got a preseason invite guys, relax.

[mihaic]

for one season can we just back all our players? theres no bosh v bargs, theres no hedo taking a crap on our logo. we can call them out after a poor performance but wedont need to have all these personal allegiances anymore

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[Garmfay]

Killa Kleiza DOING WORK. Love what I saw from Dorsey, hes a better option than Reggie because he doesn't force it when he gets the ball back. Good start to the preseason. Love the defense.

[vado]

why are people being so harsh on bargnani in preseason but giving amir a free pass? he almost fouled out in 15 minutes

[Hypz]

Power shift in the East! Raptors for 2010/11 Preseason Champions!!

[mowcrowbar]

raptors in 1

[Volcano]

why are people being so harsh on bargnani in preseason but giving amir a free pass? he almost fouled out in 15 minutes

I think we pretty much know that Amir's basically a hustle player and that he has problems with fouls. Half the people on this board claimed Bargs was going to be a franchise player and was gonna carry us on offense.

But anyhow..yeah..the negativity's kinda dumb considering it's the first preseason game. The first 30 pages of the game thread was basically negativity aside from complimenting Kleiza. Yet we completely blew out Phoenix. Imagine if the players hung their heads after the first quarter (which we also won).

[JJWong17]

why are people being so harsh on bargnani in preseason but giving amir a free pass? he almost fouled out in 15 minutes

I think we pretty much know that Amir's basically a hustle player and that he has problems with fouls. Half the people on this board claimed Bargs was going to be a franchise player and was gonna carry us on offense.

But anyhow..yeah..the negativity's kinda dumb considering it's the first preseason game. The first 30 pages of the game thread was basically negativity aside from complimenting Kleiza. Yet we completely blew out Phoenix. Imagine if the players hung their heads after the first quarter (which we also won).

It's such a silly way for people to think. He had one bad pre-season game. That barely defines what he's going to do this year. It's not like Derozan is going to shoot 60% all year long or Jose will average 3 assists. It was disappointing but I don't see how that translates to him having a sucky year on offense. If there's anything to analyze it's his defence because he already proved last year that he can score. Was his defence any better? It felt like it but then the defence tonight was pretty great as a whole. We were so disruptive on passes and with trapping, it was pretty clear we've a much more athletic team. But it felt like Andrea was helping better, more aware. There were still a few plays where he didn't do as much as he could've in terms of rebounding.

I don't want to check 5 pages but have the technicals been discussed? They felt really heavy handed in this year. Lopez's second tech was probably legit but the first seemed like they were trying to make a statement. And then the techs that got Evans and Hill ejected just felt stupid. Jack and Matt tried to explain it as not allowing things to escalate but Evans didn't seem like he was going to escalate anything after Hill returned the ass-smack. 6 techs in a pre-season game seems like overkill.

[kwamebargnani]

Killa Kleiza DOING WORK.

Devlin would love that nickname.

[allenyang]

It's official, Dorsey is the new superman!!

[J Dilla]

One positive from Andrea: he was getting rebounds that I've never seen him get. I'm not too concerned about his offense, I was never concerned about his offense. Only consistency is the issue, but he'll be ok.

Amir was just disappointing. Nothing can happen now, he got PAID. He makes mistakes that players make fresh out of high school/college. I predict this is another bad contract BC will try to rid himself of.

I liked Weems, but he was forcing things a bit too much.

CACK was pretty solid tonight, wasn't too much involved offensively but I liked what I saw on the other end.

they need to play Banks.

DeRozan did alright.

Barbosa is trash, so far. Don't understand BCs attachment to this guy.

Klieza was smooth and efficient. No complains at all. If he keeps playing like this he'll be a perfect fit beside DeRozan.

Reggie is underrated in this board. He does a lot of things that don't show on the statsheet. I laffed he started the ass grabbing with Hill. That was jokes.

[Volcano]

It's such a silly way for people to think. He had one bad pre-season game. That barely defines what he's going to do this year. It's not like Derozan is going to shoot 60% all year long or Jose will average 3 assists. It was disappointing but I don't see how that translates to him having a sucky year on offense. If there's anything to analyze it's his defence because he already proved last year that he can score. Was his defence any better? It felt like it but then the defence tonight was pretty great as a whole. We were so disruptive on passes and with trapping, it was pretty clear we've a much more athletic team. But it felt like Andrea was helping better, more aware. There were still a few plays where he didn't do as much as he could've in terms of rebounding.

I don't want to check 5 pages but have the technicals been discussed? They felt really heavy handed in this year. Lopez's second tech was probably legit but the first seemed like they were trying to make a statement. And then the techs that got Evans and Hill ejected just felt stupid. Jack and Matt tried to explain it as not allowing things to escalate but Evans didn't seem like he was going to escalate anything after Hill returned the ass-smack. 6 techs in a pre-season game seems like overkill.

I wasn't judging him (if u thought I was), but explaining why people would complain.

I don't know about his help D. I didn't really pay attention to that. I did notice him not boxing out or being a bit weak on the boards. His man D was fine as usual from what I saw. I'm attributing his poor shooting to fatigue at the moment, which may also affect his effort on the glass. He did have a nice turn around J in the post, but that was his only FG.

I'm more concerned that he's still sitting at the 3 point line, or trying to make a play at the 3 point line from an iso standpoint. If he's gonna face up, he needs to do it from at least the high elbow, where Bosh used to get it. The 3 point line's too far and allows the D to set up for a charge. It's not a reliable option. He should only stand at the 3 point line as a spot up shooter, not as the primary option. He'll have the option of pump faking and making a move when the D is trying to recover.

[Volcano]

oh..i also wanna mention, Alabi seems to have pretty nice hands and a soft touch for a big man. The guy should be a decent project. I feel like he's just missing a lot of experience.

[novi13]

FACT FOR THOUGHT

From 2003-2010, not once have the Raptors in preseason, postseason or reg season beaten a team by 50. And not to mention.. they missed like 30 easy shots and 2 of their 3 best offensive players played like crap. (Andrea, Barbosa)

This team is going to score a TON of points.. and now they suddenly can defend. Remind me why Chris Bosh was so crucial again?

[J Dilla]

FACT FOR THOUGHT

From 2003-2010, not once have the Raptors in preseason, postseason or reg season beaten a team by 50. And not to mention.. they missed like 30 easy shots and 2 of their 3 best offensive players played like crap. (Andrea, Barbosa)

This team is going to score a TON of points.. and now they suddenly can defend. Remind me why Chris Bosh was so crucial again?

FACT FOR THOUGHT

WE WILL WIN THE CHAMPIONSHIP

[Bankai]

Ill admit, though while Jose's overall skillset isint what personally I would look for as a PG, he damn sure knows how to run an offense, its his biggest strength. Give him a team of defenders and even he will make them somehow score 100 points.

[Lionel Messi]

FACT FOR THOUGHT

From 2003-2010, not once have the Raptors in preseason, postseason or reg season beaten a team by 50. And not to mention.. they missed like 30 easy shots and 2 of their 3 best offensive players played like crap. (Andrea, Barbosa)

This team is going to score a TON of points.. and now they suddenly can defend. Remind me why Chris Bosh was so crucial again?

You should save the boasting for the regular season, and maybe not when Bargnani shoots 1-9 in 23 minutes.

[Lionel Messi]

It's such a silly way for people to think. He had one bad pre-season game. That barely defines what he's going to do this year. It's not like Derozan is going to shoot 60% all year long or Jose will average 3 assists. It was disappointing but I don't see how that translates to him having a sucky year on offense. If there's anything to analyze it's his defence because he already proved last year that he can score. Was his defence any better? It felt like it but then the defence tonight was pretty great as a whole. We were so disruptive on passes and with trapping, it was pretty clear we've a much more athletic team. But it felt like Andrea was helping better, more aware. There were still a few plays where he didn't do as much as he could've in terms of rebounding.

I don't want to check 5 pages but have the technicals been discussed? They felt really heavy handed in this year. Lopez's second tech was probably legit but the first seemed like they were trying to make a statement. And then the techs that got Evans and Hill ejected just felt stupid. Jack and Matt tried to explain it as not allowing things to escalate but Evans didn't seem like he was going to escalate anything after Hill returned the ass-smack. 6 techs in a pre-season game seems like overkill.

I wasn't judging him (if u thought I was), but explaining why people would complain.

I don't know about his help D. I didn't really pay attention to that. I did notice him not boxing out or being a bit weak on the boards. His man D was fine as usual from what I saw. I'm attributing his poor shooting to fatigue at the moment, which may also affect his effort on the glass. He did have a nice turn around J in the post, but that was his only FG.

I'm more concerned that he's still sitting at the 3 point line, or trying to make a play at the 3 point line from an iso standpoint. If he's gonna face up, he needs to do it from at least the high elbow, where Bosh used to get it. The 3 point line's too far and allows the D to set up for a charge. It's not a reliable option. He should only stand at the 3 point line as a spot up shooter, not as the primary option. He'll have the option of pump faking and making a move when the D is trying to recover.

I was mostly disappointed with his sloppy passing.

he went into the post, but when the defenders put pressure on him he got frazzled and went a bit out of control.

His shooting will always come and go, but it was nice to see him attack the offensive glass even if he was shooting like crap.