Woj: HOU still wants Asik for Lee, CHI determined to add SG

[panthermark]

If Chicago does this deal it would be a huge mistake. Courtney Lee probably has a worst jump shot than Bogans. If you wait until next season you could try and get Wilson Chandler who'll be a free agent at seasons end. Then you'd have a big SG who can put it on the floor, rebound and shoot from outside.

There is all kinds of wrong in this post....

[BbFlyEmCeE]

If Chicago does this deal it would be a huge mistake. Courtney Lee probably has a worst jump shot than Bogans. If you wait until next season you could try and get Wilson Chandler who'll be a free agent at seasons end. Then you'd have a big SG who can put it on the floor, rebound and shoot from outside.

There is all kinds of wrong in this post....

+1

[johnnyvann840]

Lol, Houston really is persistent and annoying. If we're not going to end up with Mayo, maybe we can send Memphis a 1st+2nd for Thabeet and then Thabeet can go to Houston while Chicago gets Lee.

Not a bad idea at all. Houston gets the second overall pick from two years ago plus two picks, a late #1 and high #2, or two late #1's. Maybe they bite. Unless, they like Omer that much better than Thabeet, which I wouldn't blame them for.

[blumeany]

All these posters willing to give up Taj and Asik. Why? We really don't have to. Courtney Lee and Mayo are close to hot garbage right now when it comes to trade value. Neither is a starter and both have been in the league a number of years. OJ is in the doghouse in Memphis....MEMPHIS! If any team needed to play their 'best players', it's Memphis!

Also, neither Houston or Memphis are lighting the league up right now. On the flipside, the Bulls are the hottest team not to feature 3 or more All Stars. Taj has been a tremendous value pick and will probably never demand a ton of money. Asik has been improving by leaps and bounds and, oh yeah, he's a 7 footer.

The Bulls clearly have the upper hand and there's no reason to weaken our team to upgrade our SG position from average to slightly above average. You tell me we can get an ALL STAR SG? Then yes, we can talk Asik, Taj, Brewer, Korver, Picks, Money, Women, Valuables. All that stuff. But for what is out there, and for what the trade value is for these guys, no. We really don't need to hurt our depth for that.

[Chi town]

Beautiful post Blu. Agreed.

I don't think there is a team in the league in a better position then the Bulls.

[BullsCroatia]

I would not move Taj now.... He is a vital part of our defense....and moving him this year simply creates another hole that needs to be filled come play-off time.
And don't forget, money also plays a part in this....as you will be matching offers for Afflalo, will also trying to sign a PF.

Listen, you are probably my favorite poster on this boards and I almost always agree with pretty much everything you post but I can't understand the your logic on this one.

We need a long term solution at the SG. I can't see the player being available in the summer who is even close to Afflalo in terms of fit and quality. Sooner or later we are going to have to pull the trigger if we are serious about winning. We are talking a starting SG here and a back up forward. Afflalo is going to help you win way more games even without a quality back up PF. And than imagine we replace Taj in the summer or get some cheap replacement after the Afflalo move.

So it basically comes down to tihs....

Afflalo/no Taj/ cheap big man(although our rotation would not be thin down low even without replacing taj). Fight for the championship.

Sign Afflalo to a long term deal in the summer, replace Taj via draft of free agency with equally good or better player. That would be scary, scary starting five.

Rose/Watson

Afflalo/Brewer

Deng/Korver

Boozer/Landry

Noah/Asik

or....

No Afflalo/keep Taj/get some short term solution(Parker) till the end of the season and get out of the playoffs in the second round.

And than get a worse player than Afflalo in the summer(free agency), or give way more assets for a better SG and keep Taj.

Rose/Watson

Kevin Martin/rookie SG or some Bogans like veteran

Deng/good knows who

Boozer/Taj

Noah/Asik

Which team and which route do you like more?

[StoudeRose1]

Keith Bogans, Omer Asik and 1st Rd Draft Pick for Courtney Lee, Jordan Hill, and 2nd Rd Draft Pick

Rose/Watson
Lee/Brewer
Deng/Korver
Boozer/Gibson/Scalabrine
Noah/Thomas/Hill

[BullsCroatia]

Beautiful post Blu. Agreed.

I don't think there is a team in the league in a better position then the Bulls.

Let's keep ignoring the fact we are not going to compete for **** this year if Bogans is still starting after the deadline and let's keep ignoring Miami, Knicks and other teams are going to keep getting better.

Yes, the Bulls are in a good position to be in the top of the league for the years to come, but are clearly not championship ready and clearly need to keep improving.

[Ctownbulls]

Afflalo isn't some super-star shooting guard that will instantly take our team to a new level, nor is CLee or OJ Mayo. Quality big men is simply more important in the NBA than a 2 guard. We need Taj and can't trade him for any of the players mentioned above. We can't compete against the front-court depth of Boston or LA without Taj/Asik/Noah/Boozer...we need them all. Also, our front court is the one advantage we have over Miami, we can't lose that.

[jc23]

Bulls management are quite good at setting smoke screens - lets hope they are really working on an OJ Mayo trade.

lol... I thought the Mayo trade talk was a smokescreen for the Courtney Lee deal?

The Mayo talk was a smokescreen for a Lee deal...but the Lee deal is a smokescreen for an Afflalo deal.

Sounds like the FO is playing mind games with Houston.

'Asik is not the Center you are looking for'

[alucryts]

All these posters willing to give up Taj and Asik. Why? We really don't have to. Courtney Lee and Mayo are close to hot garbage right now when it comes to trade value. Neither is a starter and both have been in the league a number of years. OJ is in the doghouse in Memphis....MEMPHIS! If any team needed to play their 'best players', it's Memphis!

Also, neither Houston or Memphis are lighting the league up right now. On the flipside, the Bulls are the hottest team not to feature 3 or more All Stars. Taj has been a tremendous value pick and will probably never demand a ton of money. Asik has been improving by leaps and bounds and, oh yeah, he's a 7 footer.

The Bulls clearly have the upper hand and there's no reason to weaken our team to upgrade our SG position from average to slightly above average. You tell me we can get an ALL STAR SG? Then yes, we can talk Asik, Taj, Brewer, Korver, Picks, Money, Women, Valuables. All that stuff. But for what is out there, and for what the trade value is for these guys, no. We really don't need to hurt our depth for that.

i agree. the only 2 players im willing to part with are korver and/or bogans

[alucryts]

Beautiful post Blu. Agreed.

I don't think there is a team in the league in a better position then the Bulls.

Let's keep ignoring the fact we are not going to compete for **** this year if Bogans is still starting after the deadline and let's keep ignoring Miami, Knicks and other teams are going to keep getting better.

Yes, the Bulls are in a good position to be in the top of the league for the years to come, but are clearly not championship ready and clearly need to keep improving.

trading taj or asik will hurt in the long run

[Ctownbulls]

Beautiful post Blu. Agreed.

I don't think there is a team in the league in a better position then the Bulls.

Let's keep ignoring the fact we are not going to compete for **** this year if Bogans is still starting after the deadline and let's keep ignoring Miami, Knicks and other teams are going to keep getting better.

Yes, the Bulls are in a good position to be in the top of the league for the years to come, but are clearly not championship ready and clearly need to keep improving.

trading taj or asik will hurt in the long run

Exactly. Lets not get carried away here. We are talking about Afflalo and Courtney Lee. Yes, Afflalo would be nice but he isn't an all-star nor a huge difference maker. If he was, that Denver team would have been much better. Size is more important, we can find shooting guards...we don't need to rush to do it before the deadline because we are having a good year, we have a decade to go with the core.

[blumeany]

Beautiful post Blu. Agreed.

I don't think there is a team in the league in a better position then the Bulls.

Let's keep ignoring the fact we are not going to compete for **** this year if Bogans is still starting after the deadline and let's keep ignoring Miami, Knicks and other teams are going to keep getting better.

Yes, the Bulls are in a good position to be in the top of the league for the years to come, but are clearly not championship ready and clearly need to keep improving.

All I know for sure is that we've done pretty well with the Bogans/Brewer/Korver tandem, and that's even without our star Center for most of the time. On top of that, Bogans' 3pt % has been going up. I'm not saying I don't want the Bulls to make a trade, I'm just saying we don't have to give up Taj or Asik to do so. I mean, if we don't have Taj, who is your true backup PF? Big Sexy? And if we give up Asik, we do have Big Sexy, but for how long? Makes no sense to me. It will be easier to find a good SG this offseason than find a talented 7 footer - I know that much.

[febah07]

i think you guys underestimate lee. i watched him many times back when he was playing for the magic and i can say he is a very good player. he would be a very good fit for chicago.

but i would not give up asik for him....they can have taj if they want.

[Luke NOT Luc]

Every team wants long-term solutions at every position, but are these players available? Which shooting guard is out there and AVAILABLE that could be considered a "long-term solution?"....anyone?...didn't think so. Bulls hold all the cards (and draft picks) here. All of the shooting guards we're talking about (minus Mayo) is HARDLY worth a first round draft pick, let alone 2 or 3. Offer one of our late first round picks for Lee, if Houston balks, we have Ronnie Brewer, who is better than Lee, which in my opinion makes all of this silly anyways. Everyone loves Derrick Rose, we're back on the map. Best bet is to keep our assets and sign a potentially released veteran (RIP?) and go to war. Keep in mind it's going to be harder for the Bulls to make deals than before because we're a legitimate title threat for the next 5 years at least and teams will be more reluctant to deal with us and try to fleece us every time.

[Magilla_Gorilla]

The problem is that too many of us here have the starving man syndrome and are too willing to give up necessary equipment for a bite of a bad sandwich. Let me explain...

So pretend you are a homeless vagrant who hasn't eaten in three days, we'll call you Duck. So anyways, you haven't eaten and you are starving and desperate for some food. The last thing you ate was some cat food (Keith Bogans) it was terrible, but it kept you from starving to death.

Now you straggle into a 7-11, but before the store owner can shoo you out with a broom you see one of those pre-packaged 7-11 ham sandwiches (Courtney Lee) in the refrigerated case on clearance. Now for most people they wouldn't touch a clearance sale sandwich at 7-11 if you held their children for ransom. But all you've eaten is cat food and you really want an upgrade on that but you don't have any money.

What you do have is a blanket (Omer Asik) to trade. Its foreign made, not quite as sturdy as you'd like, and its got some holes - but it was their for you when your first blanket was lost, and its kept you alive during the cold winter nights. But you don't remember any of that - all you can think about is that god damn cat food you ate, and how good that sandwich would taste comparatively.

I beg of you homeless vagrant - don't nosh down a week old sandwich, just so that you can freeze to death later tonight. Eat the cat food and live to fight another day.



tl;dr Eating cat food is better than freezing to death

[Payt10]

So wait a minute... If I'm reading this correctly, it says we are offering a first round pick.. Don't tell me we are refusing to give up the one we just picked up as well? If the Bulls think they can just get Lee with one first round pick they're dreaming. Give them multiple firsts because we won't need them for the next 2 years and if they really really won't do the deal without Asik, just give him to them. I want a SG so bad right now. I have to trust in the FO seeing as how they have pulled off some great deals in the past at the trade deadline. I'm confident we will get something done.

[-Illmatic-]

Earlier I was for trading Asik, but I'm sort of a believer in him now. Plus I think we have enough picks to get a deal done foe one of these players without giving up a rotation. There is no need to give up rotation player when we are this close.

[Magilla_Gorilla]

So wait a minute... If I'm reading this correctly, it says we are offering a first round pick.. Don't tell me we are refusing to give up the one we just picked up as well? If the Bulls think they can just get Lee with one first round pick they're dreaming. Give them multiple firsts because we won't need them for the next 2 years and if they really really won't do the deal without Asik, just give him to them. I want a SG so bad right now. I have to trust in the FO seeing as how they have pulled off some great deals in the past at the trade deadline. I'm confident we will get something done.

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Right. We should just offer up everything we have to trade all at once. Had an old professor who used to tell us, "If you're not negotiating against yourself, you're doing it wrong."