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all of these comments are funny but the one that really makes me laugh is Gallo being a better defender... LOL you guys are kidding right... watch games not stats

justinian wrote:https://twitter.com/christomasson/status/304073004495798272

Smart decision by Denver GM?

Sources say Nuggets turned down a trade offer earlier this season of Danilo Gallinari for Rudy Gay.

Very smart, Danilo is better.

acrossthecourt wrote:

jefe wrote:Apart from 3 point percentage, they're basically having identical years (true Gallo is shooting the ball better overall and has less turnovers, but Gay is picking up more steals and getting a little bit more rebounds) - but this is probably Gallo's best year and Rudy's worst year (in awhile). I haven't seen enough of Gallo's play to comment on his defense, but Rudy, when motivated, is a good defender.

To me it's a wash until you look at the contracts.

They are not comparable scorers. Gallinari averages 4.5 free throws per 10.3 shots in his career. Rudy Gay? 4 free throws per 14.5 shots. This year it's 3.9 and 17.1.

Gallinari's TS% is 56.6 and 57 for his career. Usage is up to 22.1 this season from around 20 for his career. Rudy Gay is at 45.5 TS% this year with 26 usage. Ouch. For his career he's at 52.5, but that's still not very good.

Steals are not really a positive stat. It's sometimes an indication of a player who gambles and plays lazy defense. Rebounding? Gay has a slight advantage. 9.4% for his career versus 8.5.

Re-read my post: 1) I never addressed their skills as scorers (apart from an intentionally unsophisticated comment regarding shooting percentages), I addressed their actual production this year; and 2) I only addressed their production this year - apart from commenting on the trend in their production relative to this year.

As a general point - in terms of production, again - steals are a positive stat if only because they result in a gained possession from the other team that offsets a turnover.

Another solid decision by one of the best front offices in the league.

I am astounded people still think Rudy Gay is a good player.

BIG match wrote:all of these comments are funny but the one that really makes me laugh is Gallo being a better defender... LOL you guys are kidding right... watch games not stats

That's gotta be a stereotype. Gallinari was a very good defender from day one, very smart team defense, and always moves smart to bother quicker players with his length, tons of charge, etc. Not to mention he can guard any position from 2-4, and even some centers in today's game. He's a very good defender, and has a reputation from Europe as a good defender, just like Rubio. His dad always preached defense for him from an early age. On the other hand, Gay was never really considered as a special defender, in fact, if i remember correctly, he was tagged as an average, bad defender, early in his career. Maybe i'm wrong about this, but one thing is sure, i never saw him as an elite defender, and while Gallo might also not be that, he's a very versatile, good defender.

Never Wrong wrote:Spoken like someone that doesn't watch Gallo play. He's easily Denver's best defender.

Second best after Iggy imo. As a team defender, he might be the best one, smartest one, but as a 1 on 1 defender, Iggy is a lot better, thanks to his elite athleticism.

So many italians in this thread lol.

Focusing only on Rudy worst year (even though hes still banging in game winners) and on Gallinari's best.

Lets not forget that Gallinari's career FG% is 42% versus Rudy's 45%, and 3PT% differential is not too big at 37 and 34 respectively. I'd rather have my go to guy have higher percentages from the field than just 3 pt land which is something you have role players and 3 pt specialists for.

It is not uncommon at all for stars to take some time to adjust to their new teammates and surroundings which would help to explain his efficiency struggles in Toronto. It is not always easy to learn how to play in a completely new system (exhibit a: D-Will) and knowing how inept Dwayne Casey is, he probably has the green light from everywhere which combined with the lack of playcalling would lead to 3 point chucking.

I can see Rudy regressing to his normal averages and continuing his clutch play to carving out an illustrious career in Tdot. Meanwhile Gallo will continue to improve and who knows, might equal or surpass Rudy.

Both are strikingly similar with Rudy having advantages in: speed, athleticism, blocks, rebounding and clutchness

whereas Gallo is better when it comes to: TS%, free throws, three pointers, turnovers, and hustle (slight edge in defense also).

While Rudy is two seasons ahead of Gallo, I think he has more superstar potential as he has shown his scoring prowess to be superior and he is now the hands down face of the franchise/go to guy in Toronto while Denver still has egos in Iggy and Lawson. He is already having a career high in scoring and I would not be surprised to see him above 25 ppg in Toronto in the next few years. However, gallo has the surprise factor whether it comes to rediculous, il mago plays on the court or new found proficiencies he might add every year.

acrossthecourt wrote:

Bay Based wrote:Gallinari fits better with Denver, but wow, imagine the athleticism on that Nuggets team if they got Gay.

Andre Igoudala
Rudy Gay
Kenneth Faried
Javale McGee

That's three former dunk contestants and Gay who is athletic as hell, too.

Gay was in the dunk contest:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31o6IlKWG0U

Thanks, I forgot about that. 4 former dunk contestants on one team, that's crazy lol.

Gallo is better than Gay. It's not even a comparison.

2009 to 2012 RAPM (vanilla meaning no box score influence) weighted more heavily to the recent seasons:
Gay's defensive RAPM: -0.5
Gallinari's: +0.6
http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/va ... -2012.html

New version of RAPM (this year's isn't available right now):
Gay's defensive RAPM: 0
Gallinari's: +1.4
http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/ratings/2012.html

Hollinger:
"Defensively, Gallinari is much better than people realize. Synergy had him slightly above average, opposing small forwards posted only an 11.2 PER against him, according to 82games.com, and he had the best on-court vs. off-court rating on the Nuggets. He does great against the longer 3s such as Kevin Durant or Luol Deng, but if he has to play a smaller speedster, he's in trouble. He also should be able to play more as a small-ball 4. However, he's a poor rebounder and can't protect the rim, so he needs a very good defensive 5 with him to make it work"

"Gay: Underachieves defensively.

"Defensively, he's had a hard time converting elite athleticism into decent results. His length nets him a lot of blocks and steals, but the Grizzlies gave up 6.0 more points per 100 possessions when he was on the floor."

acrossthecourt wrote:2009 to 2012 RAPM (vanilla meaning no box score influence) weighted more heavily to the recent seasons:
Gay's defensive RAPM: -0.5
Gallinari's: +0.6
http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/va ... -2012.html

New version of RAPM (this year's isn't available right now):
Gay's defensive RAPM: 0
Gallinari's: +1.4
http://stats-for-the-nba.appspot.com/ratings/2012.html

Hollinger:
"Defensively, Gallinari is much better than people realize. Synergy had him slightly above average, opposing small forwards posted only an 11.2 PER against him, according to 82games.com, and he had the best on-court vs. off-court rating on the Nuggets. He does great against the longer 3s such as Kevin Durant or Luol Deng, but if he has to play a smaller speedster, he's in trouble. He also should be able to play more as a small-ball 4. However, he's a poor rebounder and can't protect the rim, so he needs a very good defensive 5 with him to make it work"

"Gay: Underachieves defensively.

"Defensively, he's had a hard time converting elite athleticism into decent results. His length nets him a lot of blocks and steals, but the Grizzlies gave up 6.0 more points per 100 possessions when he was on the floor."

Hollinger is a joke and he told memphis to trade Gay so im not surprised about his opinion. Grizzilies are going to listen to all his crap and end up screwing over their team

ooptolebron wrote:Hollinger is a joke and he told memphis to trade Gay so im not surprised about his opinion. Grizzilies are going to listen to all his crap and end up screwing over their team

Thanks for the brilliant insight. You made me see the light.

ooptolebron wrote:So many italians in this thread lol.

Does that mean everyone defending Gay is black? RealGM never ceases to amaze me. If someone said this about blacks, they'd be warned/banned/castrated.

Kind of torn about this...

Denver needs a closer. Rudy Gay is that guy...

But with a team like Denver, and how they're constructed. I don't know if its a good fit.

Plus DG's contract is better.

As a Denver fan, I'm admittedly biased in my opinions.

That said, I like Rudy's game a LOT. However, for the salary he is being paid, he needs to be a top tier, all star type player - and he is not. A very good player, mind you, but not a superstar.

Neither is Gallo. Their games are fairly comparable, statistic wise. One can argue who's the better shooter and/or defender, but for sake of the argument they are not far off from each other.

Danilo is 23, and on a very good contract.

That is the difference, and that's why Denver was smart to not do this deal.

torotoe wrote:

ooptolebron wrote:Hollinger is a joke and he told memphis to trade Gay so im not surprised about his opinion. Grizzilies are going to listen to all his crap and end up screwing over their team

Thanks for the brilliant insight. You made me see the light.

torotoe wrote:Gallo is better than Gay. It's not even a comparison.

Thanks for the brilliant insight. You made me see the light.

Gay has certainly elevated his game in Toronto. He's averaging 20.2 PPG so far!

Of course, he's shooting .379/.275/.846 with an abysmal TS% of .457.

ADoaN17 wrote:Same production on a cheaper contract. I'd rather have Rudy but wouldn't have done that trade.

Gay has more production...bt...at a stiff price. Denver has a good deep team, had they done it..they'd have to add a filler then deal with the $ issues.r

After watching Gallo and Gay go head to head earlier this year, I would have welcomed this trade above the one we got.

Too bad Memphis couldn't pull that one off. Still Prince, Davis, And Daye are working out just fine.

Yeah, I would have loved this deal as a Grizzlies fan. I think Gay is (just) more productive this season, but the contract and age difference makes this a no brainer for the Griz, and no chance for the Nugs.