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qm22 wrote:

Sedale Threatt wrote:At any rate, I probably have a different definition of dirty. Guys like Rick Mahorn and especially Bill Laimbeer were dirty; they categorically tried to hurt people. Fringe guys like Bruce Bowen and Dellavedova who had to battle their way to the NBA have to play their ass off to stay there. When you do that, you're going to cross the line at times. Like the Korver injury -- that was just a guy going all out for a loose ball to me. Budenholzer trying to use that to argue that there's a pattern of behavior is BS. Any one of us would love to have a guy like that on our team. I know I did with Derek Fisher.

Fisher was really dirty too. I don't have a problem with Fisher's way so much though because he's not going to threaten someone's ankles/knees, or get them ejected.

mcfly1204 wrote:I am puzzled as to how people can think that someone would actually be looking to hurt guys.

IDBall wrote:

mcfly1204 wrote:I am puzzled as to how people can think that someone would actually be looking to hurt guys.

Did you watch the video?

mcfly1204 wrote:

supremacy wrote:

mcfly1204 wrote:Blow me where the Pampers is.

Oops did something I say strike a nerve? No need to act like a tool. Just move on.

Oh come on, Artest elbows and JR Smith backhands aside, to think that players intentionally look to roll up on ankles and knees when diving for balls and whatnot is ridiculous.

qm22 wrote:

Sedale Threatt wrote:At any rate, I probably have a different definition of dirty. Guys like Rick Mahorn and especially Bill Laimbeer were dirty; they categorically tried to hurt people. Fringe guys like Bruce Bowen and Dellavedova who had to battle their way to the NBA have to play their ass off to stay there. When you do that, you're going to cross the line at times. Like the Korver injury -- that was just a guy going all out for a loose ball to me. Budenholzer trying to use that to argue that there's a pattern of behavior is BS. Any one of us would love to have a guy like that on our team. I know I did with Derek Fisher.

Fisher was really dirty too. I don't have a problem with Fisher's way so much though because he's not going to threaten someone's ankles/knees, or get them ejected.

The way Della--- dove for the ball isn't just diving for the ball. There may be no intent to injure as much as occurred but it was reckless and opportunistic for a guy who is likely to contribute the most by agitating or harming other players. Personally I'd dive for a ball like that (or play that type of physical game) in a pickup game if I had felt the other guy was playing dirty for a long time.

mcfly1204 wrote:

IDBall wrote:

mcfly1204 wrote:I am puzzled as to how people can think that someone would actually be looking to hurt guys.

Did you watch the video?

No, I even missed the live play.

contract wrote:

TheGameWinner wrote:Man, I really think Dellavedova may get suspended next game upon NBA review.

Yeah, that would be huge loss.

supremacy wrote:

mcfly1204 wrote:

supremacy wrote:
Oops did something I say strike a nerve? No need to act like a tool. Just move on.

Oh come on, Artest elbows and JR Smith backhands aside, to think that players intentionally look to roll up on ankles and knees when diving for balls and whatnot is ridiculous.

Why is that ridiculous? As far as your example goes, there's a clear difference between taking out your frustrations on someone vs. trying to take them out of the game altogether. In the case of Artest, we've seen both. Regardless, just because it may seem subtle and innocent doesn't necessarily mean that there wasn't intent behind it. Can we always say for sure? No. But you can't honestly believe, that at one point in time, there has never been one player who tried to purposely take another out of the game.

IDBall wrote:

mcfly1204 wrote:

IDBall wrote:Did you watch the video?

No, I even missed the live play.

Clearly.

mcfly1204 wrote:

supremacy wrote:

mcfly1204 wrote:Oh come on, Artest elbows and JR Smith backhands aside, to think that players intentionally look to roll up on ankles and knees when diving for balls and whatnot is ridiculous.

Why is that ridiculous? As far as your example goes, there's a clear difference between taking out your frustrations on someone vs. trying to take them out of the game altogether. In the case of Artest, we've seen both. Regardless, just because it may seem subtle and innocent doesn't necessarily mean that there wasn't intent behind it. Can we always say for sure? No. But you can't honestly believe, that at one point in time, there has never been one player who tried to purposely take another out of the game.

I can say that when those situations occur, there is no doubt from the observers.

leolozon wrote:

Dame Lizard wrote:

ShowTimeERA wrote:I honestly don't understand how anyone can say this wasn't a dirty play.

It's extremely clear that he actually gathers himself and lunges even further onto Al's knees. Watch the replay carefully.

The Horford incident was not Dellavedova's fault.

It's absolutely fascinating how people can come to this definitive opinion and for lack of better words, not evaluate the physics of the incident.

I've watched the replay in slow-mo 20 times or so to evaluate this incident, after Dellavedova's left foot tripped on Carroll's foot (with the fall being assisted by Horford's pulling), you can see that Dellavedova's left foot is in the air (i.e. can't propel) and Dellavedova's right foot is dragging along the floor, i.e. he did not propel himself to land on Horford's knee.

I really really wish Horford didn't get ejected though, you can't blame him for thinking Dellavedova might have done it on purpose at the time given the Korver incident. (The Korver incident was very reckless and dangerous, but I don't believe injury was an intent at all).

It's nice to see someone who thinks logically. I thought I was going crazy reading all these comments. I've looked at the replay again and again, and I can't see any weird movement that would indicate that Dellavedova did it intentionally. People want to connect the dots and makes sense of this, but there's simply no evidence in the Horford case.

Without the Korver incident, this would be absolutely nothing.

supremacy wrote:

mcfly1204 wrote:

supremacy wrote:
Why is that ridiculous? As far as your example goes, there's a clear difference between taking out your frustrations on someone vs. trying to take them out of the game altogether. In the case of Artest, we've seen both. Regardless, just because it may seem subtle and innocent doesn't necessarily mean that there wasn't intent behind it. Can we always say for sure? No. But you can't honestly believe, that at one point in time, there has never been one player who tried to purposely take another out of the game.

I can say that when those situations occur, there is no doubt from the observers.

Of course there's skepticism. But when you see this multiple times, in varying degrees and from the same individual, you start to think: "Hey maybe it's not just a coincidence anymore."

mcfly1204 wrote:

supremacy wrote:

mcfly1204 wrote:I can say that when those situations occur, there is no doubt from the observers.

Of course there's skepticism. But when you see this multiple times, in varying degrees and from the same individual, you start to think: "Hey maybe it's not just a coincidence anymore."

One of those is not like the other.

mcfly1204 wrote:Yes, because Dellavedova was clearly trying to hurt Gibson during that play, so this is totally comparable.

Sedale Threatt wrote:

qm22 wrote:

Sedale Threatt wrote:At any rate, I probably have a different definition of dirty. Guys like Rick Mahorn and especially Bill Laimbeer were dirty; they categorically tried to hurt people. Fringe guys like Bruce Bowen and Dellavedova who had to battle their way to the NBA have to play their ass off to stay there. When you do that, you're going to cross the line at times. Like the Korver injury -- that was just a guy going all out for a loose ball to me. Budenholzer trying to use that to argue that there's a pattern of behavior is BS. Any one of us would love to have a guy like that on our team. I know I did with Derek Fisher.

Fisher was really dirty too. I don't have a problem with Fisher's way so much though because he's not going to threaten someone's ankles/knees, or get them ejected.

How was Derek Fisher "really dirty?"

Sedale Threatt wrote:It kind of boggles my mind anybody considers the Korver incident dirty. I don't know how else you're supposed to dive for a loose ball where you basically have a split second to make a decision. If you're playing the game with the necessary intensity and energy, there's just no way you're going to be able to process, hey, I might end up taking out Korver's ankle and ending his season if I go for this ball so I probably shouldn't. I'm guessing most of you guys played sports before; you should know better.