So what are the chances of us pursuing Schroeder?

[Jamaaliver]

Do we think the Hawks are a potential Carmelo destination if the Knicks flame out?

Wondering about theoretical trade targets for them in general.

There have been whsipers linking us to Carmelo since summer 2014.

Danny Ferry included Melo on his list of potential targets in that ill-fated conference call that led to his dismissal. There have also been rumors that Phil Jackson offered Melo for Millsap at some point this year. (Though that trade couldn't occur until December at the earliest now.)

it would be a gutsy, win-now move that might not sit well with fans of the balanced attack we've become accustomed to the last couple of years.

[ackypoo]

what i learned itt, people overestimate their teams young talent.

[raferfenix]

Do we think the Hawks are a potential Carmelo destination if the Knicks flame out?

Wondering about theoretical trade targets for them in general.

There have been whsipers linking us to Carmelo since summer 2014.

Danny Ferry included Melo on his list of potential targets in that ill-fated conference call that led to his dismissal. There have also been rumors that Phil Jackson offered Melo for Millsap at some point this year. (Though that rade couldn't occur until December at the earliest now.

it would be a gutsy, win-now move that might not sit well with fans of the balanced attack we've become accustomed to the last couple of years.

Interesting. Carmelo is saying all the right things now but if the Knicks aren't working out on the court something will have to give.

NY not having their draft pick this year puts them in a weird position. Maybe Melo wouldn't get traded until this Summer because of that. On the flipside if they are losing with him maybe they make a short-sighted win-now move...Dolan is still the owner, after all.

[Badgerlander]

Korver turns 35 this year, Millsap+Splitter 31, Horford is 29, and Teague is 27 and all under contract only thru 2017 (Millsap PO for 17-18) except Horford who expires after this season. If I were the Hawks I'd hang onto Schroder who just turned 22 in Sept unless someone offered me a scoring wing which nobody is going to do.

[GrandAdmiralDan]

Ok found the quotes on the Hawks board:

Hawks will want Jabari or Giannis.

We can add pieces on each side to make it more palatable.

But we need talented swingmen.

Make it more palatable?

That's such a crazy thing to say.

The Hawks could offer any and every asset in their possession (players and draft picks) for Jabari or Giannis and it wouldn't be at all palatable to the Bucks. I mean, maybe if Herb Kohl still owned the team, but we are no longer so short-sighted.

The Hawks certainly have a number of pieces of value, DS being one of the most interesting, but come on now

Bucks could come up with packages that equalled or exceeded the value of DS without including Giannis, Jabari, or Middleton, but I wouldn't fault Hawks fans for not being interested

[raferfenix]

If Schroeder did hit the market what do we think teams would really offer up?

I don't think he's valued as a player with superstar potential but likely all star potential.

PG's who aren't shooters don't seem to be in high demand right now given all the copy cat GM's in the NBA. Certainly possible Atlanta doesn't deal him because that. But you'd also think that eventually they would want to move one of Teague or Schroeder for a starting swingman, even aside from chemistry concerns with them fighting for minutes.

[emunney]

Is he a top 5 pg under the age of 23? If you even have to hesitate before you answer that, how good do you really think he'll ever be?

[Ron Swanson]

Schroeder is a nice piece with shiny per 36 numbers, but c'mon, future all-star? Average physical tools, size, and athleticism. Ok shot mechanics, below-average efficiency. Good, not great court vision. In what area does he project to have an elite skill? I think the current lack of pure point guards in the league is causing fans to massively overrate guys that can simply "run an offense".

This coming from someone who's advocated for acquiring both him and Jeff Teague on separate occasions...

[Jamaaliver]

:lol:

Make it more palatable?

That's such a crazy thing to say.

The Hawks could offer any and every asset in their possession (players and draft picks) for Jabari or Giannis and it wouldn't be at all palatable to the Bucks. I mean, maybe if Herb Kohl still owned the team, but we are no longer so short-sighted.

The Hawks certainly have a number of pieces of value, DS being one of the most interesting, but come on now

Bucks could come up with packages that equalled or exceeded the value of DS without including Giannis, Jabari, or Middleton, but I wouldn't fault Hawks fans for not being interested

Fair enough. Perhaps, with permission of your mods...we'll re-visit this thread someday soon.

Until then, we'll see you guys in the playoffs.

[EastSideBucksFan]

Detroit traded DJ Augustin, Kyle Singler and a 2nd round pick for Reggie Jackson last year at the deadline.

Have to think that Dennis Schroeder's value might be slightly higher, but not much than that.

I'd offer the Hawks, Tyler Ennis, throw in JOB or Plumlee and a 2nd and that's about ceiling of what we'd offer.

[M-C-G]

Detroit traded DJ Augustin, Kyle Singler and a 2nd round pick for Reggie Jackson last year at the deadline.

Have to think that Dennis Schroeder's value might be slightly higher, but not much than that.

I'd offer the Hawks, Tyler Ennis, throw in JOB or Plumlee and a 2nd and that's about ceiling of what we'd offer.

Yeah, that is a serious low ball offer...Tells me you think less of DS than a lot of people on this board.


One thing is clear, every franchise fanbase, including us, majorly overrates their own talent. And I don't think there is anything wrong with that, but that's why these trade scenarios all fall of the rails so quickly. No one is paying for sentimental value.

[No-Man]

I don't know if the right pg for this team is in the NBA and likely to be available any time soon. The answer is probably a draft pick, a bust-out player, or a Euro that we haven't even heard of yet. Maybe if the Grizzlies start showing their age they'll put Conley on the market, but that's probably a few years away and it would take a lot to acquire him in a trade. I suppose Bledsoe could be an option at some point too, although I don't like him as the person to distribute the ball to all this team's scorers.

Sergio Llull from RMadrid will fit perfectly, dunno how much will Houston ask for his rights.

[EastSideBucksFan]

Detroit traded DJ Augustin, Kyle Singler and a 2nd round pick for Reggie Jackson last year at the deadline.

Have to think that Dennis Schroeder's value might be slightly higher, but not much than that.

I'd offer the Hawks, Tyler Ennis, throw in JOB or Plumlee and a 2nd and that's about ceiling of what we'd offer.

Yeah, that is a serious low ball offer...Tells me you think less of DS than a lot of people on this board.


One thing is clear, every franchise fanbase, including us, majorly overrates their own talent. And I don't think there is anything wrong with that, but that's why these trade scenarios all fall of the rails so quickly. No one is paying for sentimental value.

There aren't a ton of teams in the market for a PG. It's a PG heavy league right now and market value for the best backup PG last season that was heading towards RFA was Kyle Singler, DJ Augustin and a 2nd round pick. That's it.

Eric Bledsoe was acquired for Jared Dudley and a 2nd round picks.


If those weren't real NBA moves, they would've been called "serious low ball offers" for Eric Bledsoe and Reggie Jackson in a RealGM thread debate.

[DingleJerry]

Jackson had also spent large parts of a season as a ball dominant creator/attacker/scorer(whatever you want to call it) rather than just a facilitator. I would think his value would be higher. That being said, OKC was in a situation where everyone knew they had to trade him so that probably brought his value down. Atlanta isn't in that position as of now, but if Schroeder is already making rumblings that might not be too far out. Regardless, there isn't a trade here for the Bucks. It's wait until free agency for him or just focus on someone else.

[emunney]

Detroit traded DJ Augustin, Kyle Singler and a 2nd round pick for Reggie Jackson last year at the deadline.

Have to think that Dennis Schroeder's value might be slightly higher, but not much than that.

I'd offer the Hawks, Tyler Ennis, throw in JOB or Plumlee and a 2nd and that's about ceiling of what we'd offer.

Yeah, that is a serious low ball offer...Tells me you think less of DS than a lot of people on this board.


One thing is clear, every franchise fanbase, including us, majorly overrates their own talent. And I don't think there is anything wrong with that, but that's why these trade scenarios all fall of the rails so quickly. No one is paying for sentimental value.

There aren't a ton of teams in the market for a PG. It's a PG heavy league right now and market value for the best backup PG last season that was heading towards RFA was Kyle Singler, DJ Augustin and a 2nd round pick. That's it.

Eric Bledsoe was acquired for Jared Dudley and a 2nd round picks.


If those weren't real NBA moves, they would've been called "serious low ball offers" for Eric Bledsoe and Reggie Jackson in a RealGM thread debate.

This is exactly right. CHL talks about this a lot, too. The PG position is very visible but there are almost no teams in the market for a starting PG. If you were to break up the position into tiers, it would be Chris Paul and Curry, then ~ 10 guys on the next tier, then the next tier already spills way into backups. Tons of parity. No need to overextend yourself pursuing these guys -- they don't give you an advantage. You just need to find a fit with your personnel / identity.

Not even saying this to mess with Schroeder. Put it this way: here's a list of 14 point guards who were 24 or younger last year who started at least 40 games.

Code: Select all

Damian Lillard   24   POR
Kyrie Irving   22   CLE
John Wall   24   WAS
Reggie Jackson   24   TOT
Brandon Knight   23   TOT
Kemba Walker   24   CHO
Trey Burke   22   UTA
Elfrid Payton   20   ORL
Langston Galloway   23   NYK
Michael Carter-Williams   23   TOT
Dante Exum   19   UTA
Zach LaVine   19   MIN

How far up this list can you realistically slot Schroeder? And this doesn't include rookies from this year (Mudiay, Russell, Payne) or any other players in the age range who didn't start 40 games last year (Rubio, Holiday, Joseph, Smart, etc.).

[M-C-G]

Detroit traded DJ Augustin, Kyle Singler and a 2nd round pick for Reggie Jackson last year at the deadline.

Have to think that Dennis Schroeder's value might be slightly higher, but not much than that.

I'd offer the Hawks, Tyler Ennis, throw in JOB or Plumlee and a 2nd and that's about ceiling of what we'd offer.

Yeah, that is a serious low ball offer...Tells me you think less of DS than a lot of people on this board.


One thing is clear, every franchise fanbase, including us, majorly overrates their own talent. And I don't think there is anything wrong with that, but that's why these trade scenarios all fall of the rails so quickly. No one is paying for sentimental value.

There aren't a ton of teams in the market for a PG. It's a PG heavy league right now and market value for the best backup PG last season that was heading towards RFA was Kyle Singler, DJ Augustin and a 2nd round pick. That's it.

Eric Bledsoe was acquired for Jared Dudley and a 2nd round picks.


If those weren't real NBA moves, they would've been called "serious low ball offers" for Eric Bledsoe and Reggie Jackson in a RealGM thread debate.

Perhaps you have a point, but I think the clips sold low on Bledsoe and they were able to acquire Redick in the deal. As for Reggie Jackson, wasn't he a malcontent that Durant and Westbrook didn't like while also set to hit free agency? And they obviously liked Singler enough to ink him to what I thought was a ridiculous deal, but then the rest of free agency happened.

I'm not trying to talk anyone into DS, because frankly, I don't really care about him. Just saying there was more value than meets the eye or circumstances as to why the player was shipped out.

[M-C-G]

"We felt like everybody wanted to be here except for one guy," he said.

On the surface, it seems as though the trade request Jackson's agent made on Wednesday -- first reported by Yahoo and confirmed by a source -- was what frayed his relationship with Durant and some teammates. But his standing with teammates, primarily the leaders of the locker room, had been deteriorating throughout the season. The request simply hammered home what everyone in the organization knew since October: Reggie Jackson didn't want to be there.

Jackson said as much, stating publicly in training camp that he wanted to be a starter. He doubled down in November while filling in for the injured Russell Westbrook, saying, "I'm just trying to fill my role while I'm here."

Jackson is headed for restricted free agency this summer, and the Thunder made an attempt to re-sign him, reportedly offering a four-year, $48 million extension. Thunder general manager Sam Presti called Jackson a "core member." But like James Harden before him, Jackson wanted more than money. He wanted something the Thunder could never give him.

So the Thunder were left with was an impossible situation: trying to salvage a doomed relationship, with the hope that Jackson would at least buy in for the remainder of the season and save hunting for a new role and bigger payday until the summer. The team had -- and still has -- championship aspirations, and Jackson was set to play a key role in that. Not merely as Westbrook's backup and stand-in, but as a dynamic playmaker to supplement the Thunder's attack-oriented offense. Like Harden before him, Jackson provided a third perimeter option, which helped alleviate the tendency of Durant and Westbrook falling into a "your turn, my turn" rhythm.

Instead, Jackson went another way. The trade request was the final straw, but Jackson's play spoke louder than anything. A premier finisher, the 24-year-old stopped attacking the basket with regularity, attempting 5.1 shots per 48 minutes in the restricted area this season compared to 6.1 last season. He stopped the ball, searching for long step-back jumpers (he's taken 110 shots from 15-19 feet this season; he took 99 all of last season). He annoyed teammates with his constant buzzer-clutching, holding on to the ball instead of heaving from long distance at the end of a quarter. He was often nothing more than a traffic cone defensively. Jackson went from a game-changing Sixth Man of the Year candidate to an inconsistent liability at times.

Two days before the Thunder's season opener in Portland, Jackson sprained his ankle and missed the team's first two games. In their third game, the Nov. 1 home opener against the Nuggets, Jackson was cleared to play, but according to a source, refused to because of disappointment that he wasn't traded before the Oct. 31 extension deadline for first-round picks entering their fourth season, like Harden before him. Jackson spoke at shootaround that morning, coyly saying he probably wouldn't play that night. Immediately after finishing his session, he grabbed a ball and threw down an impressive drop-step windmill dunk -- in front of reporters and his teammates. Remember: This was when the Thunder were piecing together a roster without Durant and Westbrook, and only had eight active players available.

[drew881]

I would trade Inglis, Ennis, and heavily protected first. I think that is fair for us, and makes us a better team, even if it means we go with 3-guard lineups at times with Shroeder, Vasquez, MCW, and Middleton. Doubt the Hawks would do it though. They are in a weird 4-6 seed no mans land for the next few years, and Inglis doesn't help them too much.

[Xanadu]

I get building young around another young guy, but this team would be really legit with Jeff Teague and honestly I wouldn't be surprised if he is the more attainable of the two.

God I hope you're right about Teague being more available. I would throw a lot at Atlanta to get him. He is most likely the best fit at pg for us. If he is at all available he makes us a lock for a top four seed and possible legitimate championship contenders within two years. If of course Giannis and Jabari develop. God I have wanted Teague since he signed that offer sheet before the Jennings trade.

[Sherman Douglas]

Can someone give me a tl;dr, is there a legit reason we are discussing the possibility of adding Schroeder or Teague or is it just fan speculation?