Mavs 2016 Offseason Discussion

[Darren]

1.Trade: Tyson comes back to Dallas
Tyson Chandler, Pheonix #13 pick (pick PG/SG Dejounte Murray)
Chandler Parsons 15M

2.Trade: Devin Harris for TE

3.Renounce Zaza Pachulia, JaVale McGee and Jeremy Evans

4.Sign Nic Batum at 8M

5.Re-sign Deron Williams (6M)

6.Sign Boban Marjanovic at 8M

7.Re-sign Dwight Powell with BAE

8.Veteran minimum = 3rd PG

9.rookies with athleticism and defense at 1-3

10.Sign shooting coach from Spurs


C - Tyson Chandler / Boban Marjanovic / Salah Merji
PF - Dirk Nowitzki / Dwight Powell / undraft rookie or d-leaguer
SF - Nic Batum / Justin Anderson / undraft rookie or d-leaguer
SG - Wes Matthews / Jose Barea / undraft rookie or d-leaguer
PG - Deron Williams / Dejounte Murray / insurance PG

[Darren]

If Pheonix is reluctant to part with the pick. I am indeed fine with Noah and Marjanovic. Then get a decent shooter / combo guard (Felton?) off bench. Noah can compliment Dirk when healthy. And Bohan can only play 18 MPG. The duo work fine with each other, I believe. Noah is having a really bad year. I expect him to take a good bargining price to recover with our medical staff. And I think Bohan is waiting for his starting role as Gasol is linked to SAS. We play half court with starters, then uptempo game with backup. Anderson can get more playing time on court as well.

C - Boban Marjanovic / Joakim Noah / Salah Merji
PF - Dirk Nowitzki / Dwight Powell / undraft rookie or d-leaguer
SF - Nic Batum / Justin Anderson / undraft rookie or d-leaguer
SG - Wes Matthews / veteran SG / undraft rookie or d-leaguer
PG - Deron Williams / Jose Barea / insurance PG

[jpengland]

Likely scenario I think, is...

Williams opts in, Dirk opts in, we renounce Zaza and Felton. We resign Parsons and David Lee with Bird rights after we finish all of our business. We keep McGee around.

Felton walks.

We sign Dwight to some kind of 4/100 deal. Kevin Martin or some similar bench scorer for a back up 2 (effectively a Felton replacement) and then I like the idea of E'Twuan Moore, I think he could be fantastic in a Carlisle system. Plays D, works hard and is a knock down 3 shooter.

If there is a way to bring in Jared Dudley, I would jump at that chance.

Williams/Barea/E'Twuan Moore
Matthews/Kevin Martin/Harris
Parsons/Anderson/Evans
Dirk/Powell/Lee
Howard/Mejri/McGee

[Darren]

Likely scenario I think, is...

Williams opts in, Dirk opts in, we renounce Zaza and Felton. We resign Parsons and David Lee with Bird rights after we finish all of our business. We keep McGee around.

Felton walks.

We sign Dwight to some kind of 4/100 deal. Kevin Martin or some similar bench scorer for a back up 2 (effectively a Felton replacement) and then I like the idea of E'Twuan Moore, I think he could be fantastic in a Carlisle system. Plays D, works hard and is a knock down 3 shooter.

If there is a way to bring in Jared Dudley, I would jump at that chance.

Williams/Barea/E'Twuan Moore
Matthews/Kevin Martin/Harris
Parsons/Anderson/Evans
Dirk/Powell/Lee
Howard/Mejri/McGee

If we sign Howard, we'll likely keep nearly all min options around. However, I don't think we can re-sign David Lee as a 3rd string PF. Nor am I a fan of his game. I don't know we can get Kevin Martin on minimum contract. I am sure we have to trade either Harris or Barea. Harris is gone most likely deal to his expiring contract. I don't know who's Moore. I doubt we keep Evans around. He ain't young. Nor can he contribute right away. I am not sure RC wants McGee back. I think he's decent, though. I would try to steal Bohan from Spurs. He changes the gravity on court at 7-foot-3, 290 lbs. He's a great sixth man candidate. He averages 21 PPG, 13 RPG, 1.6 BPG in 36 mins. Although he can only play 18 minutes a game, he's a real impact player. We may indeed re-sign Felton if Harris is gone for nothing. He's a more two-way games than Harris.

[jpengland]

Likely scenario I think, is...

Williams opts in, Dirk opts in, we renounce Zaza and Felton. We resign Parsons and David Lee with Bird rights after we finish all of our business. We keep McGee around.

Felton walks.

We sign Dwight to some kind of 4/100 deal. Kevin Martin or some similar bench scorer for a back up 2 (effectively a Felton replacement) and then I like the idea of E'Twuan Moore, I think he could be fantastic in a Carlisle system. Plays D, works hard and is a knock down 3 shooter.

If there is a way to bring in Jared Dudley, I would jump at that chance.

Williams/Barea/E'Twuan Moore
Matthews/Kevin Martin/Harris
Parsons/Anderson/Evans
Dirk/Powell/Lee
Howard/Mejri/McGee

If we sign Howard, we'll likely keep nearly all min options around. However, I don't think we can re-sign David Lee as a 3rd string PF. Nor am I a fan of his game. I don't know we can get Kevin Martin on minimum contract. I am sure we have to trade either Harris or Barea. Harris is gone most likely deal to his expiring contract. I don't know who's Moore. I doubt we keep Evans around. He ain't young. Nor can he contribute right away. I am not sure RC wants McGee back. I think he's decent, though. I would try to steal Bohan from Spurs. He changes the gravity on court at 7-foot-3, 290 lbs. He's a great sixth man candidate. He averages 21 PPG, 13 RPG, 1.6 BPG in 36 mins. Although he can only play 18 minutes a game, he's a real impact player. We may indeed re-sign Felton if Harris is gone for nothing. He's a more two-way games than Harris.

If Howard signs for something in the ballpark of 4/100, that would start at about 22 -24m per, that would leave enough cap room (as we could resign Lee and Parsons with bird rights once we have filled up the cap space) to bring in Martin or similar on 4m for a year.

I like the idea of Boban but in this market saturated with cap space, you are probably looking at 12 - 16m for him (rather than the 8m you have suggested) and Boban is a phenomenal scorer but his rim protection numbers are low (I believe) and he doesn't rotate well or defend the PnR well (he isn't mobile enough) which next to an old Dirk, is not an ideal fit as he is expensive enough that finding another top free agent to pair with him will be difficult. I know you keep advocating Boban and Batum, but that's not going to happen. Batum is going to be looking at over 20m per and we don't have the luxury of bird rights, like we do with Parsons. If we are making a run we need to spend big on the big name free agents AND bring back all of our key contributers.

As for Lee, he has played well in Dallas and seems to be enjoying it - whilst he would be a third PF on the depth chart there would be plenty of minutes at the 4 and 5 for him depending on match ups. He's another experienced, high character guy and the sort of player Carlisle gets the best out of.

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[Dirk]

Likely scenario I think, is...

Williams opts in, Dirk opts in, we renounce Zaza and Felton. We resign Parsons and David Lee with Bird rights after we finish all of our business. We keep McGee around.

Felton walks.

We sign Dwight to some kind of 4/100 deal. Kevin Martin or some similar bench scorer for a back up 2 (effectively a Felton replacement) and then I like the idea of E'Twuan Moore, I think he could be fantastic in a Carlisle system. Plays D, works hard and is a knock down 3 shooter.

If there is a way to bring in Jared Dudley, I would jump at that chance.

Williams/Barea/E'Twuan Moore
Matthews/Kevin Martin/Harris
Parsons/Anderson/Evans
Dirk/Powell/Lee
Howard/Mejri/McGee

JP,

I really doubt Williams opts into a $5.6 million salary next season and carry the risk of injury and never getting another meaningful contract. He can probably get a 2/3 year deal this summer for more money.

A rough look at teams depth charts gives me: Dallas, Knicks, Pelicans, Sixers (assuming they change their philosophy, Bucks and especially Jazz as the teams that could look into him as a starter. Maybe some other teams would pay him more than $5.6 million to be a backup.

The Mavs only have non-bird rights on Lee. So I think they can go over the cap to sign him for $2.5 million.

[jpengland]

Likely scenario I think, is...

Williams opts in, Dirk opts in, we renounce Zaza and Felton. We resign Parsons and David Lee with Bird rights after we finish all of our business. We keep McGee around.

Felton walks.

We sign Dwight to some kind of 4/100 deal. Kevin Martin or some similar bench scorer for a back up 2 (effectively a Felton replacement) and then I like the idea of E'Twuan Moore, I think he could be fantastic in a Carlisle system. Plays D, works hard and is a knock down 3 shooter.

If there is a way to bring in Jared Dudley, I would jump at that chance.

Williams/Barea/E'Twuan Moore
Matthews/Kevin Martin/Harris
Parsons/Anderson/Evans
Dirk/Powell/Lee
Howard/Mejri/McGee

JP,

I really doubt Williams opts into a $5.6 million salary next season and carry the risk of injury and never getting another meaningful contract. He can probably get a 2/3 year deal this summer for more money.

A rough look at teams depth charts gives me: Dallas, Knicks, Pelicans, Sixers (assuming they change their philosophy, Bucks and especially Jazz as the teams that could look into him as a starter. Maybe some other teams would pay him more than $5.6 million to be a backup.

The Mavs only have non-bird rights on Lee. So I think they can go over the cap to sign him for $2.5 million.

I certainly can see that as a possibility and Utah is a definite option for him. However, I get the feeling he is enjoying Dallas and Carlise in particular and may opt in. I don't know if we have bird rights on him? If so, he maybe opts out and then re-ups once we have spent the cap room. If no bird rights, I think he opts in with a nod and a wink that we give him 2/20 next summer.

[Dirk]

I certainly can see that as a possibility and Utah is a definite option for him. However, I get the feeling he is enjoying Dallas and Carlise in particular and may opt in. I don't know if we have bird rights on him? If so, he maybe opts out and then re-ups once we have spent the cap room. If no bird rights, I think he opts in with a nod and a wink that we give him 2/20 next summer.

Deron Williams is a Non-Qualifying Veteran Free Agent (same as Lee), so the Mavs can only go over the cap to re-sign for $6.45 million (120% of his salary last season).

Basically:

1) opts in - $5.6 million - decision to be made on the 6/22/16

2) opts out - Mavs can carry his cap hold, $6.455 million and then re-sign him up to that amount and go over the cap

3) the likely scenario - Mavs renounce him because he'll be making more than $6 million. He ends up signing a $24 million contract/3 years

If they do wink wink deals, then Dirk should just opt out and re-sign for the minimum, that'd create an extra 7 million in cap space.

[Darren]

I certainly can see that as a possibility and Utah is a definite option for him. However, I get the feeling he is enjoying Dallas and Carlise in particular and may opt in. I don't know if we have bird rights on him? If so, he maybe opts out and then re-ups once we have spent the cap room. If no bird rights, I think he opts in with a nod and a wink that we give him 2/20 next summer.

Deron Williams is a Non-Qualifying Veteran Free Agent (same as Lee), so the Mavs can only go over the cap to re-sign for $6.45 million (120% of his salary last season).

Basically:

1) opts in - $5.6 million - decision to be made on the 6/22/16

2) opts out - Mavs can carry his cap hold, $6.455 million and then re-sign him up to that amount and go over the cap

3) the likely scenario - Mavs renounce him because he'll be making more than $6 million. He ends up signing a $24 million contract/3 years

If they do wink wink deals, then Dirk should just opt out and re-sign for the minimum, that'd create an extra 7 million in cap space.

If he does, he is the most touching basketball story ever. Mark Cuban owes him all meals for the rest of his life then. If he really does it, Matthews should restructure his contract to 13M per. And D-Will should opt in.

[jpengland]

I certainly can see that as a possibility and Utah is a definite option for him. However, I get the feeling he is enjoying Dallas and Carlise in particular and may opt in. I don't know if we have bird rights on him? If so, he maybe opts out and then re-ups once we have spent the cap room. If no bird rights, I think he opts in with a nod and a wink that we give him 2/20 next summer.

Deron Williams is a Non-Qualifying Veteran Free Agent (same as Lee), so the Mavs can only go over the cap to re-sign for $6.45 million (120% of his salary last season).

Basically:

1) opts in - $5.6 million - decision to be made on the 6/22/16

2) opts out - Mavs can carry his cap hold, $6.455 million and then re-sign him up to that amount and go over the cap

3) the likely scenario - Mavs renounce him because he'll be making more than $6 million. He ends up signing a $24 million contract/3 years

If they do wink wink deals, then Dirk should just opt out and re-sign for the minimum, that'd create an extra 7 million in cap space.

If he does, he is the most touching basketball story ever. Mark Cuban owes him all meals for the rest of his life then. If he really does it, Matthews should restructure his contract to 13M per. And D-Will should opt in.

A man approaching 40 who has earned over 200 million from a franchise earning another couple of million is the most touching basketball story ever?

Don't get me wrong, Dirk is wonderous for the sacrifices he has made but he is doing so for his own will to carry on and carry on winning in a place where he enjoys his basketball and is comfortable. He also knows that he has any job in the organisation for the rest of his life if he wants it.

[Texas Chuck]

Deron is interesting because he will still be making huge money from the Nets next year. I wonder if a deal could be worked out where he opts out and signs another 1+1 deal starting for around the same money. Protects himself against injury and gains Dallas Early Bird Rights on him the following summer and allows Dallas to put more talent around him this year.

But if he wants a big 3 year deal I'd balk and let him walk.

[fuller4379]

We will swing for the fences again and end out with the table scraps as usual.

[Devassa]

1.Trade: Tyson comes back to Dallas
Tyson Chandler, Pheonix #13 pick (pick PG/SG Dejounte Murray)
Chandler Parsons 15M

2.Trade: Devin Harris for TE

3.Renounce Zaza Pachulia, JaVale McGee and Jeremy Evans

4.Sign Nic Batum at 8M

5.Re-sign Deron Williams (6M)

6.Sign Boban Marjanovic at 8M

7.Re-sign Dwight Powell with BAE

8.Veteran minimum = 3rd PG

9.rookies with athleticism and defense at 1-3

10.Sign shooting coach from Spurs


C - Tyson Chandler / Boban Marjanovic / Salah Merji
PF - Dirk Nowitzki / Dwight Powell / undraft rookie or d-leaguer
SF - Nic Batum / Justin Anderson / undraft rookie or d-leaguer
SG - Wes Matthews / Jose Barea / undraft rookie or d-leaguer
PG - Deron Williams / Dejounte Murray / insurance PG

LMAO you think Batum would sign at 8 mil? Or even worse, that the Spurs 3rd string center is worth the same amount as Batum?

Tyson only puts us in further salary cap hell in the future.. Sorry buddy, I want to stay as far away as possible from that. I would say resign everyone and sign Whiteside or Howard (3 yr/70 mil for Dwight, max contract for Whiteside) otherwise blow it up. Those have to be the only options being considered by the front office.

[Clyde Frazier]

1.Trade: Tyson comes back to Dallas
Tyson Chandler, Pheonix #13 pick (pick PG/SG Dejounte Murray)
Chandler Parsons 15M

2.Trade: Devin Harris for TE

3.Renounce Zaza Pachulia, JaVale McGee and Jeremy Evans

4.Sign Nic Batum at 8M

5.Re-sign Deron Williams (6M)

6.Sign Boban Marjanovic at 8M

7.Re-sign Dwight Powell with BAE

8.Veteran minimum = 3rd PG

9.rookies with athleticism and defense at 1-3

10.Sign shooting coach from Spurs


C - Tyson Chandler / Boban Marjanovic / Salah Merji
PF - Dirk Nowitzki / Dwight Powell / undraft rookie or d-leaguer
SF - Nic Batum / Justin Anderson / undraft rookie or d-leaguer
SG - Wes Matthews / Jose Barea / undraft rookie or d-leaguer
PG - Deron Williams / Dejounte Murray / insurance PG

LMAO you think Batum would sign at 8 mil? Or even worse, that the Spurs 3rd string center is worth the same amount as Batum?

Tyson only puts us in further salary cap hell in the future.. Sorry buddy, I want to stay as far away as possible from that. I would say resign everyone and sign Whiteside or Howard (3 yr/70 mil for Dwight, max contract for Whiteside) otherwise blow it up. Those have to be the only options being considered by the front office.

Tyson legitimately isn't good anymore. I never thought the day would come, but I saw him miss several alley oops last year. He has no lift. Even going back to last season in dallas, he wasn't the anchor he used to be.

And yeah... batum at 8 mil? More like 18.

[daoneandonly]

Darren, please stop with the Tyson trades, there's no third time is the charm here. he has regressed beyond recognition and is worth nowhere near the contract he has.

[Teffer10]

Deron is interesting because he will still be making huge money from the Nets next year. I wonder if a deal could be worked out where he opts out and signs another 1+1 deal starting for around the same money. Protects himself against injury and gains Dallas Early Bird Rights on him the following summer and allows Dallas to put more talent around him this year.

But if he wants a big 3 year deal I'd balk and let him walk.

That is absolutely a brilliant idea and something he should consider.
And agree, if he wants a big 3 year deal then we need to move on from him....he'd be 35 in the last year of that deal.

[Teffer10]

Darren, please stop with the Tyson trades, there's no third time is the charm here. he has regressed beyond recognition and is worth nowhere near the contract he has.

TC might be one of those guys who gets bought out this year and we could grab him for cheap (like DWill, Lee, Amare, etc.....). If Mavs address other positions in free agency then Tyson might be a decent option at center with Mejri and Powell developing well because he wouldn't have to carry the load.
But yeah, no way should Tyson become a priority for us in the off-season and no way we give up assets for him unless draft picks or promising youth is coming to us with him.

[daoneandonly]

I really think our best move is to renounce all of our FA's, I think we're better off moving away from Parsons, Zaza and Dwill (if we can get Conley somehow). Parsons should go regardless, and I'd actually now say the same for Zaza (unless he'll take a bargain deal to be our backup).

From there, I say we go all out for Conley, give him the ma. I think we could potentially snatch Festus Ezeli away from GS (I think Whiteside will stay put in Mia). Yes I'm in the camp that believe Anderson should be our starting 3 next year, which will give us:

Festus Ezeli
Dirk Nowitzki
Justin Anderson
Wesley Matthews
Mike Conley Jr.

Then I think we have to break away from one of Harris or Barea, whether we can get a pick and space, players who can add more size and versatility (Chuck mentioned some in the Trade Board, i.e. Mike Dunleavy), or even package said pg with Mejri to see if that can help improve our bench. People I would target to just sign who i don't think will be too expensive are the likes of Nene, Tayshaun Prince, and Darell Arthur (if Powell gets some ridiculous offer, i.e. Raptors) But I personally like this starting 5 a lot more than current state, and anything with Parsons and Howard, Kanter, Chandler, etc.

[Captain_Obvious]

My dream offseason is still: Beal/Whiteside(D12)/Matt Barnes

Whiteside/Meriji/Dirk
Dirk/Anderson/Powell
Matthews/Barnes/Anderson
Beal/Harris/JJ
Deron/JJ/Harris