Trading Lowry while his Value is at it's highest

[NorthernNemesis]

we wont ever get real vlaue for lowry since hes expiring and a ufa next season.
also if demar does leave, it will suck but we shouldnt just blow it up b/c then we would be in treadmill land.

demar is a great player but we can still compete without him especially if our younger guys step up.

We can be competitive without DeMar if it comes to that. Without Lowry, we're trash.

haha plz, without DD we a 8th place team at best

[Yosemite Dan]

So do we sign him to a 5 years $150M+ contract next summer?

This is the problem we face. He's gonna demand 25 million at the very least to match Demar. So we're looking using 50 million of our cap on 2 guys for 4 years minimum, one of which will be in his 30's and has conditioning problems. Does anyone really feel comfortable doing that?

So if you don't agree with paying him that much, you're losing him for nothing next summer. And if you pay him, you're praying he stays in shape and we will have no wiggle room to make our team that much better to become an elite team unless JV fully develops and that's a big if with Lowry\DD controlling the offense. They are both alpha dogs and when you give them the big bucks they won't want to defer to JV very often. Whoever thiks either one of those players will be content as a 3rd option is fooling themselves. Ain't happening.

Trading him is something that should be taken very seriously unless you think both him and DD can raise thier game to another level because that will be our 1 and 1A. I don't think we can be a serious contender with both making close to max.

[VanWest82]

So do we sign him to a 5 years $150M+ contract next summer?

This is the problem we face. He's gonna demand 25 million at the very least to match Demar. So we're looking using 50 million of our cap on 2 guys for 4 years minimum, one of which will be in his 30's and has conditioning problems. Does anyone really feel comfortable doing that?

So if you don't agree with paying him that much, you're losing him for nothing next summer. And if you pay him, you're praying he stays in shape and we will have no wiggle room to make our team that much better to become an elite team unless JV fully develops and that's a big if with Lowry\DD controlling the offense. They are both alpha dogs and when you give them the big bucks they won't want to defer to JV very often. Whoever thiks either one of those players will be content as a 3rd option is fooling themselves. Ain't happening.

Trading him is something that should be taken very seriously unless you think both him and DD can raise thier game to another level because that will be our 1 and 1A. I don't think we can be a serious contender with both making close to max.

This year is probably going to be as good as it gets for Kyle, but I think we might be overestimating how much it will take to re-sign him as a 32 year old, and underestimating how much he'll want to return if we keep winning. Tony Parker is a good comparison as far as age and contributions to the franchise. He re-signed @ 3yrs/43M when he was 33 yrs old and the cap was ~70M (20% basically). We might be able to work out something for Kyle in the neighbourhood of 3yrs/66M, or 4yrs/80M. Given his newfound commitment to his body and how much he means to this franchise, I think we'd have to consider that.

[deeps6x]

So do we sign him to a 5 years $150M+ contract next summer?

This is the problem we face. He's gonna demand 25 million at the very least to match Demar. So we're looking using 50 million of our cap on 2 guys for 4 years minimum, one of which will be in his 30's and has conditioning problems. Does anyone really feel comfortable doing that?

So if you don't agree with paying him that much, you're losing him for nothing next summer. And if you pay him, you're praying he stays in shape and we will have no wiggle room to make our team that much better to become an elite team unless JV fully develops and that's a big if with Lowry\DD controlling the offense. They are both alpha dogs and when you give them the big bucks they won't want to defer to JV very often. Whoever thiks either one of those players will be content as a 3rd option is fooling themselves. Ain't happening.

Trading him is something that should be taken very seriously unless you think both him and DD can raise thier game to another level because that will be our 1 and 1A. I don't think we can be a serious contender with both making close to max.

Yup, THIS. Maxing DD and Lowry is nuts. Great, they helped get us to the ECF. They also nearly cost us the Indiana and Miami series. Casey and DD would be GONE if we'd have lost to Indiana. Everyone knows it, but we escaped that one by the smallest of margins. Same for the Miami series. Maxing an inefficient chucker when he should, at best, be getting 2/3 of the max, and a 31 year old injury and conditioning question mark PG, would be just about the worst thing we could do. That is a treadmill team in 2 years guaranteed.

I'd love to keep them both for $40M combined for each of the next 3 years. But that isn't going to happen, so I think we should let DD walk now, and trade Kyle while he has some value. To a rich team like the Lakers, or a team that feels they have to win now, like Philly, he probably has a lot of value. Maybe even enough to pry a top pick from one of the other. Heck, if we could land Murray for Kyle, I'd love to do that as well.

We aren't as good as some of you think. We barely got past a 1 star team in Indiana. We barely got past a 3 star team that was already down a star (Bosh) and lost the other one in the middle of the series, and the third one is well past his prime. We beat the Cavs twice, but only because of fluky record setting rebounding by BB8 combined with record setting awful shooting by Irving and Love for 2 games. Then it was back to reality, things reverted to the norm, the law of averages returned, and we got blown out again.

DD needs to go and Malone should have been our coach. There is still time to correct your mistakes Masai. Don't compound them.

[Treadmill_Team]

Everyone says don't trade Lowry but don't understand with DD and Lowry making over 50 million a year after next that's our team. We aren't signing free agents, we have no young players that can bring in anyone of value.

Who has trade value on this team? Who? This is your team for the next 5 years if you sign lowry.

[DonMega]

Lol terrible op. Without lowry we wouldn't be in the playoffs. What a joke thread.

[Yallbecrazy]

We should trade away Lowry for the mystery box young player who if develops properly could turn into a player down the road almost as good as Lowry

[baller16]

We trade Lowry, and DD is as good as gone. So we'd be back to rebuilding mode for the next 5 years.

[Duke3D]

Personal attack

[dacrusha]

So do we sign him to a 5 years $150M+ contract next summer?

This is the problem we face. He's gonna demand 25 million at the very least to match Demar. So we're looking using 50 million of our cap on 2 guys for 4 years minimum, one of which will be in his 30's and has conditioning problems. Does anyone really feel comfortable doing that?

So if you don't agree with paying him that much, you're losing him for nothing next summer. And if you pay him, you're praying he stays in shape and we will have no wiggle room to make our team that much better to become an elite team unless JV fully develops and that's a big if with Lowry\DD controlling the offense. They are both alpha dogs and when you give them the big bucks they won't want to defer to JV very often. Whoever thiks either one of those players will be content as a 3rd option is fooling themselves. Ain't happening.

Trading him is something that should be taken very seriously unless you think both him and DD can raise thier game to another level because that will be our 1 and 1A. I don't think we can be a serious contender with both making close to max.

Yup, THIS. Maxing DD and Lowry is nuts. Great, they helped get us to the ECF. They also nearly cost us the Indiana and Miami series. Casey and DD would be GONE if we'd have lost to Indiana. Everyone knows it, but we escaped that one by the smallest of margins. Same for the Miami series. Maxing an inefficient chucker when he should, at best, be getting 2/3 of the max, and a 31 year old injury and conditioning question mark PG, would be just about the worst thing we could do. That is a treadmill team in 2 years guaranteed.

I'd love to keep them both for $40M combined for each of the next 3 years. But that isn't going to happen, so I think we should let DD walk now, and trade Kyle while he has some value. To a rich team like the Lakers, or a team that feels they have to win now, like Philly, he probably has a lot of value. Maybe even enough to pry a top pick from one of the other. Heck, if we could land Murray for Kyle, I'd love to do that as well.

We aren't as good as some of you think. We barely got past a 1 star team in Indiana. We barely got past a 3 star team that was already down a star (Bosh) and lost the other one in the middle of the series, and the third one is well past his prime. We beat the Cavs twice, but only because of fluky record setting rebounding by BB8 combined with record setting awful shooting by Irving and Love for 2 games. Then it was back to reality, things reverted to the norm, the law of averages returned, and we got blown out again.

Using your reasoning, the Heat should let Whiteside walk because they BARELY beat the Charlotte in the playoffs and the Pacers should look to trade PG since they lost to a horrible Raptors roster and are now on track for a perpetual 6-10 treadmill.

[CoachJReturns]

I'm okay with trading Lowry, but obviously it depends on what we'd get in return. Unless it's one heck of a package, it's difficult to justify trading the leader of the team after reaching the eastern conference finals.
I'm all in favor of a reset where we feature JV as a 1st or second option, but I think we'd still need a guy that can create scoring opportunities off the dribble. Besides, I don't think we'd get the type of pick/prospect/young star we need for an expiring Lowry.

[Gold Dragon]

We have been gotten 2 years of all-NBA level play out of Lowry for 2 years now at $12 million and it is looking like we'll get a 3rd one. Just pay the man his due even if he does start to decline after he resigns. He has earned it. I expect skinny Lowry to have a pretty slow decline as his game is predicated more on craftiness and smarts than athleticism.

[brownbobcat]

Lowry is basically in prime Billups phase as far as his career arc. He's got a powerful lower body, a decent handle, he's a good shooter and he's adept at using screens. He's got probably 3 or 4 strong years for us, particularly since we aren't asking him to play 40 mpg or to score 30 ppg. Remember, he's a PnR player with range, and we've seen those guys last for AGES with far less athletic ability than Lowry has or regularly uses. He isn't dusting guys on the basis of raw acceleration play after play to get his work done and he isn't jumping over people, so his age is of less concern than it might be if he were a different kind of player, IMO.

Trading him now would be ridiculous. Without him, we fall apart entirely and then we're basically just conceding defeat to Tank Nation, if you want to borrow an older board meme. We want to build on this and make it last as long as we can, because once Lowry does actually decline, we're back into the lottery immediately unless we effectively turn Jonas into our primary player or this 9th pick goes supernova on us. Trading him now would accelerate that process for no foreseeable immediate gain, because like The_Hater said, we're not going to trade him for someone in the tier above him, that's just not going to happen.

I agree with this mostly. We need another 2 Lowry-calibre players in order to take that next step, and it's really hard to see how any kind of trade would put you further ahead in that process ... for now. Timing counts for a lot in NBA team-building, and it's important to recognize that Lowry is going to be a FA after next season. Billups never made more than 20% of the cap (nor did any of those Pistons), and that has to be the basic blueprint for building a non-superstar team. So now the key challenge for Ujiri is how to either find that 3rd/4th star or pivot away from DD/Lowry backcourt.

[Sheldon Cooper]

Cleveland should trade LeBron now while his value is the highest. He's on the wrong side of 30 and giving him the max now is a foolish proposition.

[deeps6x]

LeBron is a freak athlete and one of the smartest guys in the game, and yeah, he is past 30 and his 3 point shot is turning to sh&t. But his decline will be to mortal, regular a$$, prime DD level.

Kyle is an undersized PG who relies too much on his shot falling to be effective. If Kyle's shot isn't falling, ... well there is only ONE other person jacking shots on the team, so it is super easy to just double DD for the rest of the game.

We have already seen what we look like when Kyle's shot starts to fail him.


Who here thinks it is getting better when he is 31, 32, 33, 34, or 35?

Who here thinks he will be worth $30M next summer with raises every year after on a max deal?


I sure as hell don't. I love what he has done this year, half of last year, and possibly what he could do next season as well, but I sure as hell don't want to risk the team's future by keeping him around and maxing him.