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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#61 » by keynote » Wed Aug 3, 2016 11:55 am

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/08/02/khizr-khan-takes-down-website-in-wake-of-speech-denouncing-trump/

Khizr Khan, father of a soldier killed in the Iraq war, said he has temporarily taken down his website promoting his legal practice out of concern that it could be hacked and because he has gotten some “ugly messages” in addition to “wonderfully supportive messages” since his speech last week at the Democratic convention.

Mr. Khan, in an interview Tuesday night, said he spoke to the host of the website and agreed to pull it down at lease until “this nonsense ceases.”


Mr. Khan, who was born in Pakistan and is now a U.S. citizen, works as a contractor in civil commercial litigation. Conservative websites have questioned why his website was removed. They have pointed to screenshots showing that Mr. Khan’s practice area included “immigration services.”

Immigration is a centerpiece of Mr. Trump’s candidacy. He has called for building a wall on the Southern border with Mexico.

In the interview, Mr. Khan said he didn’t perform immigration work—because he couldn’t find any clients.

“You can only practice if there’s a client that comes to you,” he said.


The WSJ has a reputation for being ideologically conservative. But they're still a reputable news outlet -- which is why they actually got a quote from Khan himself rather than just running with a thin story filled with speculative nonsense.

Now, those who are predisposed to be suspicious of Khan can still choose to disbelieve his version of events. They can choose to believe instead that the Clinton campaign didn't vet his legal practice, and that Khan has in fact gotten fat off of the largesse of sketchy, wealthy, anti-American Middle Eastern investors by using corruption and worse to sneak them into the United States. And, they can choose to believe that this brilliant-but-nefarious legal mastermind felt that deleting his website would sufficiently cover his tracks. But, given the evidence, it seems unlikely, no?

I don't know whether Khan's immigration law practice was successful or not. I don't know if his story about taking down the website to avoid harassment is true. But, it seems reasonable enough. It's not as if he edited the website to remove references to that specific area of practice, and left the rest up (as if he were specifically trying to hide the immigration law work). And lawyers who provide illegal services to clients don't usually advertise those services on their website. The alternative scenario -- namely: 1) that he represented EB5 program clients; 2) that his representation included corrupt and/or illegal activity; 3) that the Clinton campaign didn't bother vetting his practice, and unwittingly gave air time to a corrupt lawyer who once managed litigation support at a multinational law firm who dared to represent a technology company that once conspired to acquire a patent that taught a technology used in Clinton's illegal private email server; and 4) that he deleted his *entire* website (despite being a solo practitioner who might want his website running in order to pick up new clients due to his national exposure) just to cover up his illicit EB5 practice -- is a little far-fetched, no? Even if we assume 1) is true, the rest is simply skunk spray.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#62 » by Induveca » Wed Aug 3, 2016 12:13 pm

Only *fact* I've found on Khan is he practices Sharia law at home, and believes no law can supersede Sharia law. He wrote extensive theoretical legal essays on Sharia law during his time in Saudi Arabia, all of which can be found online.

He consistently references the writings of Said Ramadan, a lead figure in the Muslim Brotherhood in three of his essays. Said Ramadan isn't just a leader, but also the grandson of the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood. He also used the Muslim Brotherhood's symbol on a few of his essays. They are by definition, radical Islamists (openly admitting to being a member gets you jailed in the UAE for example).

Letting his wife speak to the press solo, only after a political issue arose breaks with his strong belief in Sharia law. The guy is just a well-paid political puppet, and the only way the DNC could have known him was his former interaction with Clinton and her cronies.

I suspect Mr Khan shall remain silent from this point forward....

All that being said, maybe none of it is relevant and as a new father respect his horrible loss. But he has an unsavory background, and huge portions of his speech are completely hypocritical, and pure political circus.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#63 » by AFM » Wed Aug 3, 2016 12:14 pm

The worst part of this **** election is somehow I've got in the habit of defending Donald Trump.
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Post#64 » by Induveca » Wed Aug 3, 2016 12:30 pm

AFM wrote:The worst part of this **** election is somehow I've got in the habit of defending Donald Trump.


I feel the exact same way.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#65 » by Wizardspride » Wed Aug 3, 2016 12:32 pm

Induveca wrote:Only *fact* I've found on Khan is he practices Sharia law at home, and believes no law can supersede Sharia law. He wrote extensive theoretical legal essays on Sharia law during his time in Saudi Arabia, all of which can be found online.

He consistently references the writings of Said Ramadan, a lead figure in the Muslim Brotherhood in three of his essays. Said Ramadan isn't just a leader, but also the grandson of the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood. He also used the Muslim Brotherhood's symbol on a few of his essays. They are by definition, radical Islamists (openly admitting to being a member gets you jailed in the UAE for example).

Letting his wife speak to the press solo, only after a political issue arose breaks with his strong belief in Sharia law. The guy is just a well-paid political puppet, and the only way the DNC could have known him was his former interaction with Clinton and her cronies.


You make it sound like his wife can't utter a word...or have a thought without his permission....which is inaccurate.

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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#66 » by AFM » Wed Aug 3, 2016 12:47 pm

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Induveca wrote:Only *fact* I've found on Khan is he practices Sharia law at home, and believes no law can supersede Sharia law. He wrote extensive theoretical legal essays on Sharia law during his time in Saudi Arabia, all of which can be found online.

He consistently references the writings of Said Ramadan, a lead figure in the Muslim Brotherhood in three of his essays. Said Ramadan isn't just a leader, but also the grandson of the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood. He also used the Muslim Brotherhood's symbol on a few of his essays. They are by definition, radical Islamists (openly admitting to being a member gets you jailed in the UAE for example).

Letting his wife speak to the press solo, only after a political issue arose breaks with his strong belief in Sharia law. The guy is just a well-paid political puppet, and the only way the DNC could have known him was his former interaction with Clinton and her cronies.


You make it sound like his wife can't utter a word...or have a thought without his permission....which is inaccurate.


You're right, of course, she is allowed to utter "allahu akbar" 5 times a day...

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Post#67 » by tontoz » Wed Aug 3, 2016 12:53 pm

keynote wrote:Again, the only actual facts are that Khan is/was an immigration lawyer and that he later deleted his website. The writer then spun a web of conjecture and innuendo to connect him to, among other things, Clinton's private email server.

The author argues that the EB5 program is "controversial" by citing one senator's complaints about corruption associated with the program. Is that enough to declare the program "controversial"? Not sure. Perhaps the senator is the only one complaining.



This wasn't some random senator. He is the Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee who was publicly trashing the program months ago. He also referenced a memo from the Department of Homeland Security:

One section of the memo outlines concerns that it could be used by Iranian operatives to infiltrate the United States. The memo identifies seven main areas of program vulnerability, including the export of sensitive technology, economic espionage, use by foreign government agents and terrorists, investment fraud, illicit finance and money laundering.”




I am sure a left wing shill like Zonk would take no notice of this but it certainly looks "substantiated" to me and probably many other people.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#68 » by nate33 » Wed Aug 3, 2016 12:57 pm

Zonkerbl wrote:Remember when Breitbarth took a video of a black USDA employee and deliberately and maliciously re-edited it to make it appear as if she had made racist remarks?

Yes, technically speaking Shirley Sherrod said all the things she said in the video. However, the appearance of racism manufactured from selective editing of her video is not only unsubstantiated but a flat out lie. I think something similar is going on in this article about Khan deleting his website. Yes, he deleted his website because he was getting flack about immigration services and such. Does this make him someone with "deep ties" to whatever bs the article is making up? Absolutely not.

The point is, how gullible can you be? So an article full of lies has ONE TRUE FACT in it and you guys take the thing whole hog as the gospel truth? What is the matter with you people? Do you have any scientific discipline at all? Why are you so easy to manipulate? Don't you care?

Being a patsy for the right wing propaganda machine brings you no shame at all?

FWIW, Breitbart said that his law firm has deep ties with the Clinton Foundation. It never said Mr. Kahn himself did.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#69 » by Ruzious » Wed Aug 3, 2016 1:00 pm

Induveca wrote:Only *fact* I've found on Khan is he practices Sharia law at home, and believes no law can supersede Sharia law. He wrote extensive theoretical legal essays on Sharia law during his time in Saudi Arabia, all of which can be found online.

He consistently references the writings of Said Ramadan, a lead figure in the Muslim Brotherhood in three of his essays. Said Ramadan isn't just a leader, but also the grandson of the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood. He also used the Muslim Brotherhood's symbol on a few of his essays. They are by definition, radical Islamists (openly admitting to being a member gets you jailed in the UAE for example).

Letting his wife speak to the press solo, only after a political issue arose breaks with his strong belief in Sharia law. The guy is just a well-paid political puppet, and the only way the DNC could have known him was his former interaction with Clinton and her cronies.

I suspect Mr Khan shall remain silent from this point forward....

All that being said, maybe none of it is relevant and as a new father respect his horrible loss. But he has an unsavory background, and huge portions of his speech are completely hypocritical, and pure political circus.

Correct, and the bolded part is all that matters, imo.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#70 » by AFM » Wed Aug 3, 2016 1:04 pm

Left wing shill vs right wing patsy. Who ya got??

Me personally, I'm a hatchet man of the new world order.
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Post#71 » by nate33 » Wed Aug 3, 2016 1:20 pm

A senior Trump advisor explains the disastrous effects of our trade policy over the last few decades:

"It is absolutely true, the evidence shows that some past trade deals have not delivered on all the benefits that were promised and had very localized costs. There were communities that were hurt because plants moved out. People lost jobs. Jobs were created because of those trade deals, but jobs were also lost. People who experienced those losses, those communities didn’t get as much help as they needed."

"These forces of globalization and technology have not always benefited everybody evenly."


Spoiler:
Oh wait. That was Barrack Obama, yesterday, speaking with the Singapore Prime Minister.

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/08/02/obama-yes-trade-deals-hurt-everyday-americans-people-lost-jobs/
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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#72 » by montestewart » Wed Aug 3, 2016 1:22 pm

AFM wrote:Left wing shill vs right wing patsy. Who ya got??

Me personally, I'm a hatchet man of the new world order.

I'm an Axe man myself

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Post#74 » by dckingsfan » Wed Aug 3, 2016 1:26 pm

AFM wrote:Left wing shill vs right wing patsy. Who ya got??

Me personally, I'm a hatchet man of the new world order.

Isn't that so much fun! In one little episode we get to whack both sides. Trump for well, being Trump just because he says, “You have sacrificed nothing...” doesn't mean you go off - just point out that the Clinton's didn't serve. You have to laugh at the response (kind of).

And the left for screwing up their hatchet job. Really, you can vet your speakers? If Trump had played it right he would have just promoted the idea that Clinton is promoting Sharia Law...

It is unbelievable how corrupt and stupid both sides are in election. I am going with you AFM, I'm going Dr. Strangelove with you on the ride down.
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Post#75 » by gtn130 » Wed Aug 3, 2016 1:40 pm

Induveca wrote:Only *fact* I've found on Khan is he practices Sharia law at home, and believes no law can supersede Sharia law. He wrote extensive theoretical legal essays on Sharia law during his time in Saudi Arabia, all of which can be found online.

He consistently references the writings of Said Ramadan, a lead figure in the Muslim Brotherhood in three of his essays. Said Ramadan isn't just a leader, but also the grandson of the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood. He also used the Muslim Brotherhood's symbol on a few of his essays. They are by definition, radical Islamists (openly admitting to being a member gets you jailed in the UAE for example).

Letting his wife speak to the press solo, only after a political issue arose breaks with his strong belief in Sharia law. The guy is just a well-paid political puppet, and the only way the DNC could have known him was his former interaction with Clinton and her cronies.

I suspect Mr Khan shall remain silent from this point forward....

All that being said, maybe none of it is relevant and as a new father respect his horrible loss. But he has an unsavory background, and huge portions of his speech are completely hypocritical, and pure political circus.


Is there a non-Breitbart source for this stuff? So, a legitimate source.
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Post#76 » by nate33 » Wed Aug 3, 2016 1:43 pm

gtn130 wrote:
Induveca wrote:Only *fact* I've found on Khan is he practices Sharia law at home, and believes no law can supersede Sharia law. He wrote extensive theoretical legal essays on Sharia law during his time in Saudi Arabia, all of which can be found online.

He consistently references the writings of Said Ramadan, a lead figure in the Muslim Brotherhood in three of his essays. Said Ramadan isn't just a leader, but also the grandson of the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood. He also used the Muslim Brotherhood's symbol on a few of his essays. They are by definition, radical Islamists (openly admitting to being a member gets you jailed in the UAE for example).

Letting his wife speak to the press solo, only after a political issue arose breaks with his strong belief in Sharia law. The guy is just a well-paid political puppet, and the only way the DNC could have known him was his former interaction with Clinton and her cronies.

I suspect Mr Khan shall remain silent from this point forward....

All that being said, maybe none of it is relevant and as a new father respect his horrible loss. But he has an unsavory background, and huge portions of his speech are completely hypocritical, and pure political circus.


Is there a non-Breitbart source for this stuff? So, a legitimate source.

Breitbart hyperlinked to all of their sources.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#77 » by AFM » Wed Aug 3, 2016 2:18 pm

gtn130 wrote:
Induveca wrote:Only *fact* I've found on Khan is he practices Sharia law at home, and believes no law can supersede Sharia law. He wrote extensive theoretical legal essays on Sharia law during his time in Saudi Arabia, all of which can be found online.

He consistently references the writings of Said Ramadan, a lead figure in the Muslim Brotherhood in three of his essays. Said Ramadan isn't just a leader, but also the grandson of the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood. He also used the Muslim Brotherhood's symbol on a few of his essays. They are by definition, radical Islamists (openly admitting to being a member gets you jailed in the UAE for example).

Letting his wife speak to the press solo, only after a political issue arose breaks with his strong belief in Sharia law. The guy is just a well-paid political puppet, and the only way the DNC could have known him was his former interaction with Clinton and her cronies.

I suspect Mr Khan shall remain silent from this point forward....

All that being said, maybe none of it is relevant and as a new father respect his horrible loss. But he has an unsavory background, and huge portions of his speech are completely hypocritical, and pure political circus.


Is there a non-Breitbart source for this stuff? So, a legitimate source.


http://dailycaller.com/2016/08/01/khizr-khan-has-previously-written-extensively-on-sharia-law/
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Post#78 » by tontoz » Wed Aug 3, 2016 2:29 pm

AFM wrote:
gtn130 wrote:
Induveca wrote:Only *fact* I've found on Khan is he practices Sharia law at home, and believes no law can supersede Sharia law. He wrote extensive theoretical legal essays on Sharia law during his time in Saudi Arabia, all of which can be found online.

He consistently references the writings of Said Ramadan, a lead figure in the Muslim Brotherhood in three of his essays. Said Ramadan isn't just a leader, but also the grandson of the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood. He also used the Muslim Brotherhood's symbol on a few of his essays. They are by definition, radical Islamists (openly admitting to being a member gets you jailed in the UAE for example).

Letting his wife speak to the press solo, only after a political issue arose breaks with his strong belief in Sharia law. The guy is just a well-paid political puppet, and the only way the DNC could have known him was his former interaction with Clinton and her cronies.

I suspect Mr Khan shall remain silent from this point forward....

All that being said, maybe none of it is relevant and as a new father respect his horrible loss. But he has an unsavory background, and huge portions of his speech are completely hypocritical, and pure political circus.


Is there a non-Breitbart source for this stuff? So, a legitimate source.


http://dailycaller.com/2016/08/01/khizr-khan-has-previously-written-extensively-on-sharia-law/



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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#79 » by keynote » Wed Aug 3, 2016 2:37 pm

nate33 wrote:
gtn130 wrote:Is there a non-Breitbart source for this stuff? So, a legitimate source.

Breitbart hyperlinked to all of their sources.


True -- but only for the stuff for which they *had* sources. As I've stated above, much of the article is speculation (or, at a minimum, unsupported within the context of the article).
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Re: Political Roundtable Part X 

Post#80 » by keynote » Wed Aug 3, 2016 2:49 pm

nate33 wrote:FWIW, Breitbart said that his law firm has deep ties with the Clinton Foundation. It never said Mr. Kahn himself did.


Sigh. Whatever "deep ties" means 2,500 attorney firm led by a decentralized confederation of partners, each with their own set of clients and interests.

You realize that if the partner(s) who managed the CF client relationship were to leave Hogan (or had already left), they'd likely take that client relationship with them, right? Partners switch firms all the time; more often than not, their value to their new firm is their "book of business": their existing client relationships. Firms will post job postings, saying, "we need a partner in XYZ practice with a $750,000+ book" -- meaning, they want a partner who can walk in with portable clients that would generate at least that amount in annual billings for the firm.

Meanwhile, Khan managed litigation technology. In other words, he managed a team comprised of paralegals, sys admins, IT types, and legal assistants who were using e-discovery software, etc. He was a non-practicing lawyer managing support staff.

The fact that Khan managed support staff at a 1,000 - 2,500 attorney firm where another partner had an attorney-client relationship with the CF, by itself, says absolutely nothing about Khan's relationship with Clinton or his potential biases.

Please. For my own sanity. At least acknowledge that the connection is too thin to even waste time on. Don't just keep parroting "deep ties" because you think it makes Khan's ex-firm look bad for some reason.
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