Sorry, But Enough Excuses: Shame on DA. Should Ownership Look to Someone Else?

[Squigglepuffin]

Not on Ainge. Pritchard is a fool who thinks bringing an IU guy in will sell tickets

Its 100% on Ainge, read the original post in entirety. Ainge passed on Cousins, Butler, Chris Paul, George. We could have easily had a super team by now. Ainge is a hoarder.

http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0672625701681108161-4

Celtics offer on draft night for Paul George, per league source, was 3 first-round picks (not the Nets pick next year or the Lakers/Kings pick) and two starters (Crowder being one).

Personally I think that's a better offer than OKC.

It seems like Indy did it just out of resentment for danny not giving up everything for a one year rental

[ArtistNBA]

I know we Boston fan are spoil but damn, our future looking good better than all rebuild teams , enjoy watching our C's over achieve , added a top 5 rookie pick and more this FA, the East is more wide open but we wanna send Danny packing and get who Phil Jackson, bulls GM, Indiana GM? Who's out there, we give up all our future assets get kill by GSW for years and have nothing for our future that's what you guys want to see? Have some faith, Danny build a championship team with the truth KG Allen, he's in good shape of building another one , other teams would love to get Danny or brad Steven right now

[GoCeltics123]

Not on Ainge. Pritchard is a fool who thinks bringing an IU guy in will sell tickets

Its 100% on Ainge, read the original post in entirety. Ainge passed on Cousins, Butler, Chris Paul, George. We could have easily had a super team by now. Ainge is a hoarder.

http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-0672625701681108161-4

Celtics offer on draft night for Paul George, per league source, was 3 first-round picks (not the Nets pick next year or the Lakers/Kings pick) and two starters (Crowder being one).

Yep. End of story.

Pritchard is a fool

[OldCeltics]

There is absolutely now way you strike out this offseason with Butler and George. Mind-blowing. You cannot be this passive aggressive. Golden opportunity struck twice this summer in an unprecedented way for two stars in their prime on a bargain. The asset hoarding technique has failed the Celtics for three simple reasons:

1. When you have too many assets, GMs take advantage of you in the modern NBA; they don't want to get embarrassed, so they do whatever they can to take more from you than someone else.
Clearly, this isn't necessarily BOS's fault by any measure (they should be accumulating assets), but it's a real indictment on the way incompetent teams with stars expect good organizations like us to bail them out. It's a psychological leverage point that bad teams do with good teams to get just a little bit more.

2. When you've fleeced teams in the past, teams simply don't want to do business unless it's for a massive overpay.
Danny has this reputation in the league whether this forum wants to acknowledge it or not. They will only take the most premium assets.

3. Unproven talent should never be a deal-breaker for established talent.
Dynasties from the draft are miniscule chances of forming and shouldn't be expected. How good are premium picks if you don't deal them for stars? Isn't that the point of premium draft assets? Who's expecting the next Lebron/Wall/Anthony Davis/Towns in upcoming drafts? What's more of a sure thing in the NBA than an established talent?

At what point does ownership step in and redirect Ainge on a logical path? Stars don't pop up for bargain trades often in the NBA. Stars win championships, bring in revenue, put you in title contention. This grand-standing vision of a 10 year dynasty from the draft is fools-gold if one lever of that plan falls through. Where do you draw the line with winning now and winning later?

Unbelievable.

I know you think this validates you posting the same exact thing 30 times over the last 48 hours, but it doesn't. Pritchard looks like a schmuck, and that's about it.

Ainge looks like a schmuck, not Pritchard. The OP is 100% correct. We passed on 5 all-stars already because Ainge is a hoarder, and no other GM wants to deal with him.

[Dmatt]

it definitely sucks not getting PG, but i do believe ainge is putting in effort for a trade in the near future or going to put one together before the deadline during the season and try to poach a solid player using the picks. As of now, we have a solid team and with an addition like hayward with pao or milsap, i think that would make our team huge with keeping our core assuming brown does progress this year, whcih i think is going to happen for sure and tatum being a stud

[hickfromfrenchlick]

There is absolutely now way you strike out this offseason with Butler and George. Mind-blowing. You cannot be this passive aggressive. Golden opportunity struck twice this summer in an unprecedented way for two stars in their prime on a bargain. The asset hoarding technique has failed the Celtics for three simple reasons:

1. When you have too many assets, GMs take advantage of you in the modern NBA; they don't want to get embarrassed, so they do whatever they can to take more from you than someone else.
Clearly, this isn't necessarily BOS's fault by any measure (they should be accumulating assets), but it's a real indictment on the way incompetent teams with stars expect good organizations like us to bail them out. It's a psychological leverage point that bad teams do with good teams to get just a little bit more.

2. When you've fleeced teams in the past, teams simply don't want to do business unless it's for a massive overpay.
Danny has this reputation in the league whether this forum wants to acknowledge it or not. They will only take the most premium assets.

3. Unproven talent should never be a deal-breaker for established talent.
Dynasties from the draft are miniscule chances of forming and shouldn't be expected. How good are premium picks if you don't deal them for stars? Isn't that the point of premium draft assets? Who's expecting the next Lebron/Wall/Anthony Davis/Towns in upcoming drafts? What's more of a sure thing in the NBA than an established talent?

At what point does ownership step in and redirect Ainge on a logical path? Stars don't pop up for bargain trades often in the NBA. Stars win championships, bring in revenue, put you in title contention. This grand-standing vision of a 10 year dynasty from the draft is fools-gold if one lever of that plan falls through. Where do you draw the line with winning now and winning later?

Unbelievable.

I know you think this validates you posting the same exact thing 30 times over the last 48 hours, but it doesn't. Pritchard looks like a schmuck, and that's about it.

Ainge looks like a schmuck, not Pritchard. The OP is 100% correct. We passed on 5 all-stars already because Ainge is a hoarder, and no other GM wants to deal with him.

Yeah, we all know your opinion too. Thank god we have an adult in charge.

Obviously we topped that offer. Pritchard wanted to send him west. Period. Accept it.

[OldCeltics]

This looks bad on Pritchard not Ainge lol

Its not just this move. Ainge passed on Cousins, Butler, Chris Paul, George. We could have easily had a super team by now. Ainge is a hoarder. An no other GMs want to deal with him any more.

[OldCeltics]

Hard to blame Ainge for this one. He has to wait for Hayward first and he can't make Indy hold off until he's ready. If they wanted to trade now for whatever reason then that's what they wanted to do. I truly believe Ainge would have offered up that LA/Sac pick for PG if he got Hayward. Either Indiana didn't want to wait another week or two or they valued Oladipo more than that pick for whatever reason.

Ainge leaked to the news that what Pritchard was asking was ridiculous. Immediately this broke down the talks, instead of counter offering.

All you are doing is speculating.

And quite frankly it makes you look like an ass.

No, i just follow the news, and know more than you about the Celtics.

[ArtistNBA]

This looks bad on Pritchard not Ainge lol

Its not just this move. Ainge passed on Cousins, Butler, Chris Paul, George. We could have easily had a super team by now. Ainge is a hoarder. An no other GMs wa8nt to deal with him any more.

Yea but they want crap deals from other GM, imma still enjoy my C's this year , now FA soon, if we get Hayward I be ecstatic, ready for the season, also watching brown and Tatum develop

[gman5589]

Serious question going forward: what would it take for BOS to get Anthony Davis? Is it even possible? Because clearly other GMs aren't even giving Danny a reasonable hand at the table, even with premium assets. Don't count it.

[Green_teamer]

This looks bad on Pritchard not Ainge lol

Its not just this move. Ainge passed on Cousins, Butler, Chris Paul, George. We could have easily had a super team by now. Ainge is a hoarder. An no other GMs want to deal with him any more.

How many championships have those players won/thread

[SLCceltic]

the GM's are asking Ainge for way way more than they are ultimately accepting
examples: Cousins (assuming Celtics were interested - not sure they were)
Butler
George

the returns for each of these guys was ridiculously low

I am OK with Ainge sticking to his guns - last years team with the addition of Hayward (hopefully), Tatum and Zizic (hope he can rebound) and the deletion of Amir, JJ etc will make ECF and give the Cavs a good series

then 2 top 5 picks next year and a title in 2020

hard to be patient but might be his only option

2018 team:
IT
Bradley
Hayward
Crowder
Horford

Tatum
Brown
Smart
Zizic
Rozier

that is a very good team

Totally agree with this. I do think rhat we will move Crowder or AB for a starting 4 or sign someone like Rudy Gay in FA (upgrade over Amir and bridge for either Tatum, Zizic or Brook '18 pick)

[bs_and_cs]

Ainge leaked to the news that what Pritchard was asking was ridiculous. Immediately this broke down the talks, instead of counter offering.

All you are doing is speculating.

And quite frankly it makes you look like an ass.

No, i just follow the news, and know more than you about the Celtics.

Like I said, you are looking like an ass.

If you followed the news, without speculating like an ass....the news is that the Pacers asked for BOTH the BRK 18 1st and the LAL 18 1st from the Celtics, then they traded PG for Oladipo and Sabonis.

But instead of being reasonable and saying the Pacers are run by a bunch of buffoons, you call out Ainge.

Don't worry. People see right through your bull though.

[Darthlukey]

There is absolutely now way you strike out this offseason with Butler and George. Mind-blowing. You cannot be this passive aggressive. Golden opportunity struck twice this summer in an unprecedented way for two stars in their prime on a bargain. The asset hoarding technique has failed the Celtics for three simple reasons:

1. When you have too many assets, GMs take advantage of you in the modern NBA; they don't want to get embarrassed, so they do whatever they can to take more from you than someone else.
Clearly, this isn't necessarily BOS's fault by any measure (they should be accumulating assets), but it's a real indictment on the way incompetent teams with stars expect good organizations like us to bail them out. It's a psychological leverage point that bad teams do with good teams to get just a little bit more.

2. When you've fleeced teams in the past, teams simply don't want to do business unless it's for a massive overpay.
Danny has this reputation in the league whether this forum wants to acknowledge it or not. They will only take the most premium assets.

3. Unproven talent should never be a deal-breaker for established talent.
Dynasties from the draft are miniscule chances of forming and shouldn't be expected. How good are premium picks if you don't deal them for stars? Isn't that the point of premium draft assets? Who's expecting the next Lebron/Wall/Anthony Davis/Towns in upcoming drafts? What's more of a sure thing in the NBA than an established talent?

At what point does ownership step in and redirect Ainge on a logical path? Stars don't pop up for bargain trades often in the NBA. Stars win championships, bring in revenue, put you in title contention. This grand-standing vision of a 10 year dynasty from the draft is fools-gold if one lever of that plan falls through. Where do you draw the line with winning now and winning later?

Unbelievable.

I know you think this validates you posting the same exact thing 30 times over the last 48 hours, but it doesn't. Pritchard looks like a schmuck, and that's about it.

Ainge looks like a schmuck, not Pritchard. The OP is 100% correct. We passed on 5 all-stars already because Ainge is a hoarder, and no other GM wants to deal with him.

Yes, he is a hoarder and yes he has passed on several all stars. He is hoarding high quality assets and he passed on all stars with attitude, situational or health issues. No potential trade was a clear cut winner IMO.
In regards to other GMs wanting to deal with him, you are probably right to an extent. No one wants to be ripped off and no one wants to be embarrassed. Worst case scenario, we keep the same team and just wait. There is nothing wrong with our status quo for now

[PierceFan4ever]

This is a major point, but deserves serious discussion.

Is it time for Ainge to step down? What good is being a great GM in trade negotiations, if you can't fairly deal with other GMs in the league due to their perception of you?

Just remember when you bent over Billy King, you indirectly took a shot at the other 28 GMs who weren't involved. They take it personally, for better or worse.

Wtf is this You're basically saying Ainge should be punished for making a great deal. Stop acting like the world knew the Nets were going to be the worse team at the time. It was perceived as a fair trade.

Not at all. I'm simply telling you the perception of BOS management in this league for trade negotiations. Spite is a real thing, even at the professional level. You've seen it twice this summer, and it will be more to come.

If you think BOS had a hard time landing Butler/George, just wait and see what the abursdity they'll need to offer for Anthony Davis.

Well if Anthony Davis is ever available, Ainge will send the farm for him.

[jfs1000d]

This is the first trade where I thought wtf? We had a better deal. Flat out, oladipo is league average and Sabonis is nothing.


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[tlee324]

I wouldn't have traded away the Brooklyn pick or the Lakers pick for a rental. My guess is they wanted our best top assets rather than anything else.

So what? Indiana just took the way worse offer to stick it to Danny for not including the nets pick or whatever? Danny still has a phone. Crowder plus our pick next year blows OKC offer out of the freakin park.

Please stop with the excuses anymore.

Cousins goes for dirt cheap, he was a malcontent. Noel was an injury risk and not that level. Butler wasn't part of the bigger plan, PG is better anyway. George goes for NOTHING and that's Indy's fault? Gtfo

**** Danny. This is still a good team but if you have no intention of ever trading these picks then stop **** leaking **** all the time and rileing up the fanbase. Three superstars got traded for nothing in 6 months and he's playing darts with reporters faces to see who's getting the next leak. bull

Great post, stop the excuses green teamers. Its time to admit Ainge f**d up. Ainge passed on Cousins, Butler, Chris Paul, George. We could have easily had a super team by now. Ainge is a hoarder.

Lol if the cap were about 800 million

[hickfromfrenchlick]

All you are doing is speculating.

And quite frankly it makes you look like an ass.

No, i just follow the news, and know more than you about the Celtics.

Like I said, you are looking like an ass.

If you followed the news, without speculating like an ass....the news is that the Pacers asked for BOTH the BRK 18 1st and the LAL 18 1st from the Celtics, then they traded PG for Oladipo and Sabonis.

But instead of being reasonable and saying the Pacers are run by a bunch of buffoons, you call out Ainge.

Don't worry. People see right through your bull though.

95% of that dude's posts are complaints.

A GM has to have discipline. Ours does. Indiana's doesn't. Chicago's doesn't. It why we're we are and they're where they are.

[Bleeding Green]

lol Oladipo and his 84 million dollars is something that the Pacers wanted for their best player. Good luck at the bottom of the East for the next decade you **** morons. Ainge easily beats this package and the Pacers obviously said **** it, we want less just to get George out of the East. Makes no real sense, but it happens all the time.

[OldCeltics]

This looks bad on Pritchard not Ainge lol

Its not just this move. Ainge passed on Cousins, Butler, Chris Paul, George. We could have easily had a super team by now. Ainge is a hoarder. An no other GMs want to deal with him any more.

How many championships have those players won/thread

Basketball is a team game brother. It takes at least 3 all-stars to win. We have 1 all-star, we could have had a 2nd and 3rd. These all-stars are going for pennies on the dollar, and they are young.