What is Devin Booker's Ceiling?

Chuck Everett · Post #61 » by **Chuck Everett** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 5:23 pm

Good player, bad team. Need to re-evaluate when he gets other players besides TJ Warren around him. The question is will his numbers rise with more talent around him, I am not 100% sure.

JJ_PR · Post #62 » by **JJ_PR** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 5:27 pm

Ray Allen.

xxSnEaKyPxx · Post #63 » by **xxSnEaKyPxx** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 5:30 pm

baldur wrote:
SlowPaced wrote:
-TheDocOfDenial wrote:
This could be the worst post in realgm 2018.

He has plenty of candidates for that title.

except this bold part he was doing very well actually. it is sometimes hard to tell the difference if this guy is serious or trolling. his most posts consist of both.

He is trolling. He does it with like 98% of his posts.

Pelly24 · Post #64 » by **Pelly24** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:19 pm

12footrim wrote:
Pelly24 wrote:He's getting 25/4/4 on elite efficiency on an awful team. I think he's 21.

What's his ceiling? Can he be a top 10 player? Top 20? MVP Candidate? All NBA?

He's got a nice jumper, is a good athlete with great size and an awesome first step, good body control, etc. He's also a potentially great passer if you pay attention

19.1 PER, .571 true shooting isn't Elite efficiency

Being +2 on league average efficiency is excellent, especially at age 20. He's an elite scorer, and will be at least a perennial all star

12footrim · Post #65 » by **12footrim** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:31 pm

Pelly24 wrote:
12footrim wrote:
Pelly24 wrote:He's getting 25/4/4 on elite efficiency on an awful team. I think he's 21.

What's his ceiling? Can he be a top 10 player? Top 20? MVP Candidate? All NBA?

He's got a nice jumper, is a good athlete with great size and an awesome first step, good body control, etc. He's also a potentially great passer if you pay attention

19.1 PER, .571 true shooting isn't Elite efficiency

Being +2 on league average efficiency is excellent, especially at age 20. He's an elite scorer, and will be at least a perennial all star

Nothing elite about a 19.1 Player Efficiency Rating and a .571 true shooting. Solid to to the boarderline of good but it's not elite at all.

His RPM is terrible though so it's not like even his individual contributions are working towards winning basketball.

baldur · Post #66 » by **baldur** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:49 pm

M4P wrote:
baldur wrote:
SlowPaced wrote:
He has plenty of candidates for that title.

except this bold part he was doing very well actually. it is sometimes hard to tell the difference if this guy is serious or trolling. his most posts consist of both.
refer to sig

Haha. This is exactly what he does. Starts with a reasonable and understandable argument, finishes with an extremely ridiculous statement.

Post #67 » by **bwgood77** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:53 pm

baldur wrote:
M4P wrote:
baldur wrote:
except this bold part he was doing very well actually. it is sometimes hard to tell the difference if this guy is serious or trolling. his most posts consist of both.
refer to sig

Haha. This is exactly what he does. Starts with a reasonable and understandable argument, finishes with an extremely ridiculous statement.

Are you talking about GlenRiceARoni, HoopsMalone, or both?

Basketball_Jones · Post #68 » by **Basketball_Jones** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 7:56 pm

I think what he's doing at his age is really, really good. And he's quicker/more athletic then I thought. However, I don't think he's going to get THAT much better. But we'll see.

clyde21 · Post #69 » by **clyde21** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:07 pm

I like Booker, but I'm not in love with him. I think he has some shortcomings that'll keep him from ever reaching the elite tier, but he'll be a very good player for a long time. He'll be a multiple time all-star for sure.

That said, I would try to angle Booker for the Cleveland picks if I were Phoenix, and maybe get rid of either the Knight or Chandler contracts in the process.

Flash4thewin · Post #70 » by **Flash4thewin** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:13 pm

clyde21 wrote:I like Booker, but I'm not in love with him. I think he has some shortcomings that'll keep him from ever reaching the elite tier, but he'll be a very good player for a long time. He'll be a multiple time all-star for sure.

That said, I would try to angle Booker for the Cleveland picks if I were Phoenix, and maybe get rid of either the Knight or Chandler contracts in the process.

But that makes no sense. You want to basically throw away a multiple time all star for draft picks one hopes will net someone like Booker?

clyde21 · Post #71 » by **clyde21** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:24 pm

Flash4thewin wrote:
clyde21 wrote:I like Booker, but I'm not in love with him. I think he has some shortcomings that'll keep him from ever reaching the elite tier, but he'll be a very good player for a long time. He'll be a multiple time all-star for sure.

That said, I would try to angle Booker for the Cleveland picks if I were Phoenix, and maybe get rid of either the Knight or Chandler contracts in the process.

But that makes no sense. You want to basically throw away a multiple time all star for draft picks one hopes will net someone like Booker?

Yes. If I can get out of this draft with Bagley and Doncic I'm doing it. I'm just not fully sold on Booker as that impactful of a player long term. It's a risk, but one I'm willing to take it.

DusterBuster · Post #72 » by **DusterBuster** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 8:25 pm

Kevin Martin with better handles.

gaspar · Post #73 » by **gaspar** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:00 pm

clyde21 wrote:I like Booker, but I'm not in love with him. I think he has some shortcomings that'll keep him from ever reaching the elite tier, but he'll be a very good player for a long time. He'll be a multiple time all-star for sure.

That said, I would try to angle Booker for the Cleveland picks if I were Phoenix, and maybe get rid of either the Knight or Chandler contracts in the process.

Ridiculous post.

DusterBuster wrote:Kevin Martin with better handles.

Even more ridiculous post.

Post #74 » by **FNQ** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:12 pm

Pelly24 wrote:
12footrim wrote:
Pelly24 wrote:He's getting 25/4/4 on elite efficiency on an awful team. I think he's 21.

What's his ceiling? Can he be a top 10 player? Top 20? MVP Candidate? All NBA?

He's got a nice jumper, is a good athlete with great size and an awesome first step, good body control, etc. He's also a potentially great passer if you pay attention

19.1 PER, .571 true shooting isn't Elite efficiency

Being +2 on league average efficiency is excellent, especially at age 20. He's an elite scorer, and will be at least a perennial all star

There is a big, big difference between having elite efficiency and being +2% higher than league average at age 20. You throw the word 'elite' around a lot, and that's usually the top of the top, which is why its been commented on a few times. Booker is not elite at anything right now or he'd be heralded as a superstar. He has the potential, and this season is a massive step forward for him, but calling him elite at anything based on the belief that improvement will continue is counting chickens.

I wouldnt mind you valuing him like that in terms of trade value - reasonable to assume improvements will still happen - but he is point blank not elite efficiency wise or an elite scorer right now. Still has a long ways to go before he gets in the Curry/KD/LeBron/Giannis/Harden level of scoring. To be clear though, if I had to bet, I think he absolutely will get there in there in time.

DusterBuster · Post #75 » by **DusterBuster** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:12 pm

gaspar wrote:
clyde21 wrote:I like Booker, but I'm not in love with him. I think he has some shortcomings that'll keep him from ever reaching the elite tier, but he'll be a very good player for a long time. He'll be a multiple time all-star for sure.

That said, I would try to angle Booker for the Cleveland picks if I were Phoenix, and maybe get rid of either the Knight or Chandler contracts in the process.

Ridiculous post.

DusterBuster wrote:Kevin Martin with better handles.

Even more ridiculous post.

Show me he can do it on a good team and prove me wrong. Martin was a prolific scorer on a terrible team and got a lot of similar comparisons to older players that Booker is getting.

azcatz11 · Post #76 » by **azcatz11** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:22 pm

DusterBuster wrote:
gaspar wrote:
clyde21 wrote:I like Booker, but I'm not in love with him. I think he has some shortcomings that'll keep him from ever reaching the elite tier, but he'll be a very good player for a long time. He'll be a multiple time all-star for sure.

That said, I would try to angle Booker for the Cleveland picks if I were Phoenix, and maybe get rid of either the Knight or Chandler contracts in the process.

Ridiculous post.

DusterBuster wrote:Kevin Martin with better handles.

Even more ridiculous post.

Show me he can do it on a good team and prove me wrong. Martin was a prolific scorer on a terrible team and got a lot of similar comparisons to older players that Booker is getting.

I mean, you would have said the same thing about Kyrie and would've been wrong.

lamscott · Post #77 » by **lamscott** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:23 pm

Better John Starks?

baldur · Post #78 » by **baldur** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:41 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
baldur wrote:
M4P wrote:refer to sig

Haha. This is exactly what he does. Starts with a reasonable and understandable argument, finishes with an extremely ridiculous statement.

Are you talking about GlenRiceARoni, HoopsMalone, or both?

Hoops malone. I dont know the other guy.

DusterBuster · Post #79 » by **DusterBuster** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 10:55 pm

azcatz11 wrote:
DusterBuster wrote:
gaspar wrote:Ridiculous post.

Even more ridiculous post.

Show me he can do it on a good team and prove me wrong. Martin was a prolific scorer on a terrible team and got a lot of similar comparisons to older players that Booker is getting.

I mean, you would have said the same thing about Kyrie and would've been wrong.

He proved me wrong. Good on him. Lets see Booker do it.

Post #80 » by **FNQ** » Thu Jan 25, 2018 11:01 pm

DusterBuster wrote:
gaspar wrote:
clyde21 wrote:I like Booker, but I'm not in love with him. I think he has some shortcomings that'll keep him from ever reaching the elite tier, but he'll be a very good player for a long time. He'll be a multiple time all-star for sure.

That said, I would try to angle Booker for the Cleveland picks if I were Phoenix, and maybe get rid of either the Knight or Chandler contracts in the process.

Ridiculous post.

DusterBuster wrote:Kevin Martin with better handles.

Even more ridiculous post.

Show me he can do it on a good team and prove me wrong. Martin was a prolific scorer on a terrible team and got a lot of similar comparisons to older players that Booker is getting.

Oversimplification. Booker right now at 21 has an ast% thats 10 pts higher than Martin's career high. That willingness to pass and create for others means its much more likely that Booker provides a larger impact than Kevin Martin.

Statistically similar, but that's it. Booker's advanced passing sets him apart.