Around the NBA, 2018-19 Season thread

[NyCeEvO]

Spurs, Suns, & Magic are still lacking in the PG department. Who blinks first? My guess is Phoenix. Having just fired their GM, it wouldn't surprise me if the owner makes a rash trade for a PG. Personally, I really liked White before he was drafted.

Both the Suns & Spurs have an extra 1st. The Milwaukee pick (likely to convey in 2020) is much more appealing to me than the 2019 Toronto pick.

I wouldn't mind getting players instead of picks, and would add for the right young player. Jackson, Poeltl, White & Okobo are all intriguing.

Poetl to me is low end who will cost you an overpay and isnt really a nets type of big. plus we have allen. i love jackson and white.

id prefer to trade Dlo... if they are desperate and looking to make a splash we could really add some assets/young kids and clear cap all in one fell swoop. but if they want diniwddie for the milwaukee pick im all in on that too

While I have no problem trading DLo, I can't see Marks trading him unless he's blown away by an offer. And it's not because DLo is a world-beater. It's because I think he wants to see him perform for at least a full 20-30 games before he can definitively know whether DLo has a future here in any capacity, whether that's at the starting 1, 2, or 6th man role.

I could be completely wrong (in fact, I hope I am) but I have the feeling Marks wants to do his due diligence before potentially dealing him.

[MrDollarBills]

Kind of crazy to think about, but prime AK47 might have been the best power forward in the NBA in today's game if you consider Anthony Davis a center.

Take a look at AK47's career output versus Anthony Davis.

you're comparing an above average player to a god tier level stud.

Re-read his post.

1) He's not comparing AK47 to AD. He's saying that if you don't consider AD a PF, then AK47 would've been the best PF in the league. (And if you think AD is a center, AK would've been the #2 PF.)

2) I'd have to take more time to reflect on the weaker parts of AK's game to see whether they would be more glaring in today's game or not, but my first thought/kneejerk reaction is "No, there are probably a few to several PFs I'd take over AK in today's game".

With that said, you are greatly underrating AK's ability if you're simply looking at box score metrics. I don't know anyone who watched his peak in Utah who would call him just "an above-average player". Lonzo Ball's rookie season stats are comparable to Draymond Green's yet everyone knows the massive difference in on-court impact Green has over Lonzo. You can't just look at numbers and just assume he wasn't that good.

AK's prime season (2003-2004) was arguably the worst statistical season for NBA teams in decades, maybe ever if you weight pace against ORTG. He wasn't a 1st option on offense, but he did everything, except shooting and passing, better than just about anyone else on his team.

Like Draymond, he was a defensive terror; 2x All-NBA Defensive team (03-04, 04-05) and then was on the 1st team in 05-06. His main competition in this era was KG (if you consider Duncan a C). During his peak, he was the true definition of a jackknife player.

At 6'9", he had 6 seasons where he averaged 1.9 blocks or more and 2 seasons where he averaged more than 3 blocks per game. The combination of his standing reach, quick agility, and fantastic second jump always caught people off guard. He was a nightmare to face if you were the opposition's main offensive player. Utah should've been a horrible defensive team, but he made them somewhat respectable.

AK's main problem was that he couldn't stay healthy. He wasn't a superstar but he was definitely on that second tier of players who you'd rank top 10-20 in the league depending on how much you valued individual defense and his contribution to the team's overall defense. In his prime, he was a few classes higher than above-average player.

You're right. For some reason when I was thinking about AK47 I was thinking about the corpse that played in a Nets uniform and not the dude that was flying all over the court for the Jazz.

[NyCeEvO]

Take a look at AK47's career output versus Anthony Davis.

you're comparing an above average player to a god tier level stud.

Re-read his post.

1) He's not comparing AK47 to AD. He's saying that if you don't consider AD a PF, then AK47 would've been the best PF in the league. (And if you think AD is a center, AK would've been the #2 PF.)

2) I'd have to take more time to reflect on the weaker parts of AK's game to see whether they would be more glaring in today's game or not, but my first thought/kneejerk reaction is "No, there are probably a few to several PFs I'd take over AK in today's game".

With that said, you are greatly underrating AK's ability if you're simply looking at box score metrics. I don't know anyone who watched his peak in Utah who would call him just "an above-average player". Lonzo Ball's rookie season stats are comparable to Draymond Green's yet everyone knows the massive difference in on-court impact Green has over Lonzo. You can't just look at numbers and just assume he wasn't that good.

AK's prime season (2003-2004) was arguably the worst statistical season for NBA teams in decades, maybe ever if you weight pace against ORTG. He wasn't a 1st option on offense, but he did everything, except shooting and passing, better than just about anyone else on his team.

Like Draymond, he was a defensive terror; 2x All-NBA Defensive team (03-04, 04-05) and then was on the 1st team in 05-06. His main competition in this era was KG (if you consider Duncan a C). During his peak, he was the true definition of a jackknife player.

At 6'9", he had 6 seasons where he averaged 1.9 blocks or more and 2 seasons where he averaged more than 3 blocks per game. The combination of his standing reach, quick agility, and fantastic second jump always caught people off guard. He was a nightmare to face if you were the opposition's main offensive player. Utah should've been a horrible defensive team, but he made them somewhat respectable.

AK's main problem was that he couldn't stay healthy. He wasn't a superstar but he was definitely on that second tier of players who you'd rank top 10-20 in the league depending on how much you valued individual defense and his contribution to the team's overall defense. In his prime, he was a few classes higher than above-average player.

You're right. For some reason when I was thinking about AK47 I was thinking about the corpse that played in a Nets uniform and not the dude that was flying all over the court for the Jazz.

The Billy King era scarred you bad, huh lol?

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[MrDollarBills]

My hands have finally stopped shaking over the last two seasons but I still often wake up at night in a cold sweat.

[Paradise]

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[TheNetsFan]

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Watch this space. Wilson was supposedly a Marks target in last year's draft. He was also LeVert's teammate at Michigan. I could see Marks picking him up if waived, or even trying to get him in a trade on the cheap.

[MrDollarBills]

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Watch this space. Wilson was supposedly a Marks target in last year's draft. He was also LeVert's teammate at Michigan. I could see Marks picking him up if waived, or even trying to get him in a trade on the cheap.

Why would we want him though if he can't make an NBA roster? at this point we should be done taking in rejects no?

[TheNetsFan]

Take to twitter, and read the Jimmy Butler practice stuff. It's amazing.

[MrDollarBills]

Jimmy Butler participated in practice with the Minnesota Timberwolves on Wednesday and verbally challenged teammates, coaches and the front office.

Butler was reportedly vociferous and emotional at times in targeting Tom Thibodeau, Scott Layden, Karl-Anthony Towns and Andrew Wiggins.

"You (bleeping) need me. You can't win without me," Butler reportedly screamed at Layden.

Butler requested a trade before the start of training camp but the Wolves have been unable to find a trade to their satisfaction.

This is one of the most unprofessional things I've ever heard coming from an NBA player.

I would waive his ass. After today there is no way anyone with a brain functioning between their ears offer anything of value for him. I don't care what Towns and Wiggins' attitudes are, you don't conduct yourself like this. This is a guy I want nowhere near this franchise.

[TheNetsFan]

Jimmy Butler participated in practice with the Minnesota Timberwolves on Wednesday and verbally challenged teammates, coaches and the front office.

Butler was reportedly vociferous and emotional at times in targeting Tom Thibodeau, Scott Layden, Karl-Anthony Towns and Andrew Wiggins.

"You (bleeping) need me. You can't win without me," Butler reportedly screamed at Layden.

Butler requested a trade before the start of training camp but the Wolves have been unable to find a trade to their satisfaction.

This is one of the most unprofessional things I've ever heard coming from an NBA player.

I would waive his ass. After today there is no way anyone with a brain functioning between their ears offer anything of value for him. I don't care what Towns and Wiggins' attitudes are, you don't conduct yourself like this. This is a guy I want nowhere near this franchise.

I don't entirely disagree, unless it costs us Crabbe & little else. If you can pre-pay what it would cost to dump Crabbe's contract in the offseason (e.g. Den 1st), and take a test drive with Butler, I'd do it. Worst case, you flip him or buy him out later. There is still value in that expiring contract of his. There are also S&T options with over the cap teams if you have his bird rights.

[MrDollarBills]

Jimmy Butler participated in practice with the Minnesota Timberwolves on Wednesday and verbally challenged teammates, coaches and the front office.

Butler was reportedly vociferous and emotional at times in targeting Tom Thibodeau, Scott Layden, Karl-Anthony Towns and Andrew Wiggins.

"You (bleeping) need me. You can't win without me," Butler reportedly screamed at Layden.

Butler requested a trade before the start of training camp but the Wolves have been unable to find a trade to their satisfaction.

This is one of the most unprofessional things I've ever heard coming from an NBA player.

I would waive his ass. After today there is no way anyone with a brain functioning between their ears offer anything of value for him. I don't care what Towns and Wiggins' attitudes are, you don't conduct yourself like this. This is a guy I want nowhere near this franchise.

I don't entirely disagree, unless it costs us Crabbe & little else. If you can pre-pay what it would cost to dump Crabbe's contract in the offseason (e.g. Den 1st), and take a test drive with Butler, I'd do it. Worst case, you flip him or buy him out later. There is still value in that expiring contract of his. There are also S&T options with over the cap teams if you have his bird rights.

I get that he's a competitor. I think the fact that he took the 3rd string and whipped the starters on that team in a scrimmage speaks volumes about how gutless Towns and Wiggins are. But that kind of energy is more negative that positive if you're sitting there cursing out coaches and management.

Let some other team deal with that headache. I like Butler as a player but I wouldn't want that kind of unprofessionalism in this locker room.

[Paradise]

Jimmy Butler participated in practice with the Minnesota Timberwolves on Wednesday and verbally challenged teammates, coaches and the front office.

Butler was reportedly vociferous and emotional at times in targeting Tom Thibodeau, Scott Layden, Karl-Anthony Towns and Andrew Wiggins.

"You (bleeping) need me. You can't win without me," Butler reportedly screamed at Layden.

Butler requested a trade before the start of training camp but the Wolves have been unable to find a trade to their satisfaction.

This is one of the most unprofessional things I've ever heard coming from an NBA player.

I would waive his ass. After today there is no way anyone with a brain functioning between their ears offer anything of value for him. I don't care what Towns and Wiggins' attitudes are, you don't conduct yourself like this. This is a guy I want nowhere near this franchise.

This was literally my reaction reading these notifications at work. Can we offer some kind of gift basket to Minnesota fans?



I’m speechless that he confirmed this and now is doing a sit down interview. Speechless. I can’t quite think of a word, verb, adjective to express how much of an idiot he is. He’s doing this to get traded and lower his value.

[Mosdefinition]

This is one of the most unprofessional things I've ever heard coming from an NBA player.

I would waive his ass. After today there is no way anyone with a brain functioning between their ears offer anything of value for him. I don't care what Towns and Wiggins' attitudes are, you don't conduct yourself like this. This is a guy I want nowhere near this franchise.

I don't entirely disagree, unless it costs us Crabbe & little else. If you can pre-pay what it would cost to dump Crabbe's contract in the offseason (e.g. Den 1st), and take a test drive with Butler, I'd do it. Worst case, you flip him or buy him out later. There is still value in that expiring contract of his. There are also S&T options with over the cap teams if you have his bird rights.

I get that he's a competitor. I think the fact that he took the 3rd string and whipped the starters on that team in a scrimmage speaks volumes about how gutless Towns and Wiggins are. But that kind of energy is more negative that positive if you're sitting there cursing out coaches and management.

Let some other team deal with that headache. I like Butler as a player but I wouldn't want that kind of unprofessionalism in this locker room.

I'm pretty sure that that it had more to do with forcing Management's hand to move him

He told them he wants out hear deal sounds like it was almost done but then at the last second they upped the price

Thibs is doing what he can to convince him to stay and he doesn't want to be there

Him and the third string beat their starters after Butler called towns and Wiggins out

[TheNetsFan]

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Sean has to get a Dinwiddie bidding war going between PHX & SAS, before his trade value diminishes.

[Prokorov]

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Sean has to get a Dinwiddie bidding war going between PHX & SAS, before his trade value diminishes.

how much value does a rental of a borderline starting PG have to begin with?

[shakendfries]

meanwhile, in Detroit

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[Paradise]

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Sean has to get a Dinwiddie bidding war going between PHX & SAS, before his trade value diminishes.

how much value does a rental of a borderline starting PG have to begin with?

Starver was prepared to dish out an unprotected pick for a PG. His GM wanted to hold onto picks and now he’s gone.

Perfect opportunity.

[MrDollarBills]

meanwhile, in Detroit

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I told yall Stanley Johnson was trash

[Prokorov]

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Sean has to get a Dinwiddie bidding war going between PHX & SAS, before his trade value diminishes.

how much value does a rental of a borderline starting PG have to begin with?

Starver was prepared to dish out an unprotected pick for a PG. His GM wanted to hold onto picks and now he’s gone.

Perfect opportunity.

unprotected pick for a legit starting pg maybe

[TheNetsFan]

how much value does a rental of a borderline starting PG have to begin with?

Starver was prepared to dish out an unprotected pick for a PG. His GM wanted to hold onto picks and now he’s gone.

Perfect opportunity.

unprotected pick for a legit starting pg maybe

I'd take one of D. White, Poeltl, 2019 SAS pick, 2020 SAS pick from the Spurs or the MIL pick from PHX. I'm not interested in the TOR pick SAS owns.