Watching a team shoot 70 3 pointers in a game is absurd

[IgorK]

I wouldn't mind all the threes if the defense was allowed to be a little more hands-on as dudes are getting a lot of uncontested layups/dunks.

Agreed. I'm fine with 3s as long as players are allowed to play some real defense.

[Duke4life831]

would you rather the league go back to playing a slow pace and dumping the ball to plodding 7 footers and do "post moves"

i don't

let that era stay dead

good riddance to boring post play-centered nba

So watching the beautiful footwork of a Hakeem in the post was boring but everyone hoisting 3’s is fun?

No

You're taking an extreme example, Hakeem is an abnormality. Someone could easily flip this and say watching Steph Curry go off is boring, but watching lumbering bigs in the low post is fun?

[peja_the_legend]

there's no reason why a 3 point shot should be worth 50% more than a regular one.None at all.

NBA did a huge mistake adopting the gimmick ABA 3 point line back in the day and we see the disastrous consequences now.In a couple of years 70 3 point shots taken by a team will look nornmal.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

there's no reason why a 3 point shot should be worth 50% more than a regular one.None at all.

NBA did a huge mistake adopting the gimmick ABA 3 point line back in the day and we see the disastrous consequences now.In a couple of years 70 3 point shots taken by a team will look nornmal.

I disagree, the shot is more difficult as seen by the shot percentages so it should be worth more.


What the NBA needs to do though is get rid of the corner three, there's no excuse for an easier shot being worth as much as the more difficult wing & top of the key threes. You can't have a closer shot with the same value, it's stupid.

[DeBlazerRiddem]

I for one think shooting is an amazing skill and I love watching players that are really good at it, especially shots that are created off lots of ball movement to get the defenses scrambling and that ends in a wide open shot - beautiful basketball right there.


The thing that pisses me off is soft defense, which I think lets shooting be a little too easy.

[jacoby1us]

NBA is boring as hell.
This is not fundamentally sound basketball and it is highly influencing the youth. I can barely watch a half of NBA basketball anymore as it is just hard on my eyes.

[dhsilv2]

would you rather the league go back to playing a slow pace and dumping the ball to plodding 7 footers and do "post moves"

i don't

let that era stay dead

good riddance to boring post play-centered nba

So watching the beautiful footwork of a Hakeem in the post was boring but everyone hoisting 3’s is fun?

No

But today we have a guy like Harden who has footwork like Hakeem who is also shooting 3's!

[Harry Garris]

It's a circus, basketball is not mathematics. You have to take those mid range shots to control the rhytm of the game. You have teams like Indiana and Spurs, that take many mid range shots, and they are succesfull.

The Spurs only take a lot of midrange shots because they have 2 high usage players in DeRozan and Aldridge who can make them efficiently. Most teams do not have that luxury. Taking midrange shots isn't their scheme inherently they are just playing to the strengths of their players. When those guys are off the floor the Spurs shoot 3s at one of the highest rates in the league.

[cccmonteiro]

Just abolish every illegal defense rule from the NBA rule book and you'll see a lot less 3p attempts and a lot more ball movement.

[EricAnderson]

would you rather the league go back to playing a slow pace and dumping the ball to plodding 7 footers and do "post moves"

i don't

let that era stay dead

good riddance to boring post play-centered nba

So watching the beautiful footwork of a Hakeem in the post was boring but everyone hoisting 3’s is fun?

No

You're taking an extreme example, Hakeem is an abnormality. Someone could easily flip this and say watching Steph Curry go off is boring, but watching lumbering bigs in the low post is fun?

Young Shaq who was a massive human being but also freakish athletic and explosive?

The point is you had different styles bd k then now it’s homogenized nobody is unique anymore everyone is shooting a fukkin 3 it’s strictly a 3 point shooting contest now.

[Biff]

It's all subjective. I've been watching basketball for 30 years and the average game today is way more entertaining to me. The last few finals haven't been great but most of the series before that were very entertaining.

[Edrees]

I'm fine with it, as I think it's subjecvtive what is more entertaining.

However, if you enjoy watching 1 player shoot 21 free throws *unless you are a fan of the team he's playing on*, I seriously question how much you really love the game of basketball.

[valrond1]

Watch on YouTube

[G35]

It's a circus, basketball is not mathematics. You have to take those mid range shots to control the rhytm of the game. You have teams like Indiana and Spurs, that take many mid range shots, and they are succesfull.

Well yes basketball is mathematics at the most element levels. Why people have a problem with sports being best measured in terms of math and game theory is beyond me.

Measuring a game is not the same as playing the game or watching the game.

Measuring means you are trying to employ a scientific method...which means you are getting into geek level territory. If I wanted to watch academics I would watch Discovery or the History channel. I don't understand why anyone would want to merge sports and analytics.

Analytics doesn't provide any insight anyway. It only analyzes what has happened, it is not predictive.

Sports at its basic core is about the unknown and the spirit of competition. If we relied only on analytics we would put everything into a database and let it spit out who is the champion, MVP, DPOY, etc.

Which would be extremely boring......

[NO-KG-AI]

would you rather the league go back to playing a slow pace and dumping the ball to plodding 7 footers and do "post moves"

i don't

let that era stay dead

good riddance to boring post play-centered nba

Seriously. People are acting like watching all the post players was like watching Hakeem go to work every night.

[Cavsfansince84]

It isn't just the 3's but the overall pendulum has swung a little too far towards offense in the last couple of years. I would guess there have been more games where a team scores over 130 points just this year than there was between 2000-2010 combined. Silver needs to give a nudge towards defense this offseason. Nothing huge but something. Eliminating the corner 3 might be the thing to do.

[dhsilv2]

It's a circus, basketball is not mathematics. You have to take those mid range shots to control the rhytm of the game. You have teams like Indiana and Spurs, that take many mid range shots, and they are succesfull.

Well yes basketball is mathematics at the most element levels. Why people have a problem with sports being best measured in terms of math and game theory is beyond me.

Measuring a game is not the same as playing the game or watching the game.

Measuring means you are trying to employ a scientific method...which means you are getting into geek level territory. If I wanted to watch academics I would watch Discovery or the History channel. I don't understand why anyone would want to merge sports and analytics.

Analytics doesn't provide any insight anyway. It only analyzes what has happened, it is not predictive.

Sports at its basic core is about the unknown and the spirit of competition. If we relied only on analytics we would put everything into a database and let it spit out who is the champion, MVP, DPOY, etc.

Which would be extremely boring......

The goal of all analytics used and employed that generally get quoted here have absolutely been measured against their predictive value. that is why APM and the now more complex RAPM have become so insanely popular among basketball geeks. They were used to crush vegas...

If you don't get your rocks off on math, gambling, or using numbers to enhance your enjoyment of what is happening on the court, that's your issue. I find it insanely weird, but that doesn't change that coaches, GM's, vegas, and nearly everyone else are using math to better understand the game. This is why players are higher analytics coaches to help them improve their shot selection, decision making, etc.

But yeah NBA players and teams are spending millions and millions of dollars a year on analytics when it has no predictive value and adds no value...people love throwing away money.

[kodo]

there's no reason why a 3 point shot should be worth 50% more than a regular one.None at all.

NBA did a huge mistake adopting the gimmick ABA 3 point line back in the day and we see the disastrous consequences now.In a couple of years 70 3 point shots taken by a team will look nornmal.

I disagree, the shot is more difficult as seen by the shot percentages so it should be worth more.


What the NBA needs to do though is get rid of the corner three, there's no excuse for an easier shot being worth as much as the more difficult wing & top of the key threes. You can't have a closer shot with the same value, it's stupid.

League avg 3 is 36%.
League avg mid range is 40%.
The “3” should be worth 2.1 by difficulty.

Agreed on the corner 3, its the real problem. Even Baynes is making that shot.

The biggest issue is entertainment based, the league is becoming homogenous. In the 90s you had pace and space 3 jacking smallball teams like KJs Suns and slow methodical midrange teams like MJs Bulls and they both got to the finals with opposite styles.

These days if youre not a 3 chucking team you mght as well rebuild. Last years WC Finals looked like a game of horse. The two teams just took turns isoing 3s on each other.

[Roscoe Sheed]

would you rather the league go back to playing a slow pace and dumping the ball to plodding 7 footers and do "post moves"

i don't

let that era stay dead

good riddance to boring post play-centered nba

It’s not an either/or. There should be a happy medium

[dhsilv2]

It isn't just the 3's but the overall pendulum has swung a little too far towards offense in the last couple of years. I would guess there have been more games where a team scores over 130 points just this year than there was between 2000-2010 combined. Silver needs to give a nudge towards defense this offseason. Nothing huge but something. Eliminating the corner 3 might be the thing to do.

But they really have just moved back towards where the NBA was the vast majority of the history of the sport. Starting in around 96, it was a running topic about how bad shooting had gotten, how bad offenses where...and now it swings back and people are upset.

The nba can't win...