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Re: OT: Recreational use of Marijuana will be legal in Illinois 

Post#61 » by dice » Sat Jun 1, 2019 1:27 am

dougthonus wrote:I've never smoked pot (or done any other illegal drugs), but I'm all for legalization. Criminalizing this is stupid as it costs tax payers tons of money for police/jails and denies tax revenue. It's not worse than other legal vices. I generally think if something isn't harming others and is only harming the individual then it is the individuals responsibility to manage their life.

excellent point about the ridiculous number of people in prison for pot offences. emptying prisons alone is a good reason to legalize pot

also, depression is not on the list of qualifying conditions for medical pot in illinois. hundreds of thousands of people with chronic depression that have long been searching for a solution w/o success will potentially benefit from this. why the hell are opponents constantly citing potential negative health consequences while completely ignoring the positive health consequences?

when health insurance covers medical marijuana for any reason whatsoever w/ a doctor signing off, that will be a true cause for celebration. but that will require a change in federal law...?
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Re: OT: Recreational use of Marijuana will be legal in Illinois 

Post#62 » by johnnyvann840 » Sat Jun 1, 2019 2:18 am

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dougthonus wrote:I've never smoked pot (or done any other illegal drugs), but I'm all for legalization. Criminalizing this is stupid as it costs tax payers tons of money for police/jails and denies tax revenue. It's not worse than other legal vices. I generally think if something isn't harming others and is only harming the individual then it is the individuals responsibility to manage their life.

excellent point about the ridiculous number of people in prison for pot offences. emptying prisons alone is a good reason to legalize pot

also, depression is not on the list of qualifying conditions for medical pot in illinois. hundreds of thousands of people with chronic depression that have long been searching for a solution w/o success will potentially benefit from this. why the hell are opponents constantly citing potential negative health consequences while completely ignoring the positive health consequences?

when health insurance covers medical marijuana for any reason whatsoever w/ a doctor signing off, that will be a true cause for celebration. but that will require a change in federal law...?


Yeah, I agree. The fact that it's still a schedule 1 drug FEDERALLY is a joke. It prevents insurance companies from paying for treatment. I can't tell you how many cancer patients absolutely need it when in chemo. Just to eat and sleep and be comfortable. We used to give meds to patients who couldn't afford it in Colorado when we first opened. When somebody is in tears and comes back to tell you how much you changed their life, it's a good thing.

One of the other problems with the industry is the fact there are so many businesses out there that cannot even bank normally. FDIC Depositories will not even accept our money. Alaska is the first place that has banking for the industry. Problem is these are just two credit unions and they are charging $1200/mo. just to maintain an account. It's robbery, but they feel that technically the feds can come and seize that money if they really wanted to. "Technically", the DEA could come and seize everything you own and shut you down. It's really a shame.
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Re: OT: Recreational use of Marijuana will be legal in Illinois 

Post#63 » by GrowingHorns » Sat Jun 1, 2019 2:36 am

Excellent. I'm just a dumb jock that smokes tobacco occasionally and drinks few beers for now and then, but i'm all for getting some sense to this war against the drugs - I won't use them as there's schizophrenia running in my family, so i'm in the risk group. Portugal decriminalized usage of all drugs 2001, and net effects have been so far more positive than nothing else. https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/dec/05/portugals-radical-drugs-policy-is-working-why-hasnt-the-world-copied-it

The decriminalization of drug usage for all drugs could be in place, so people aren't afraid to get help. So they don't as often as now get dragged into a drug hell, or that they wouldn't "snap out" eventually too badly to do something for their own health or for others. I hope this trend keeps going on worldwide.
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Re: OT: Recreational use of Marijuana will be legal in Illinois 

Post#64 » by dice » Sat Jun 1, 2019 3:16 am

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dougthonus wrote:I've never smoked pot (or done any other illegal drugs), but I'm all for legalization. Criminalizing this is stupid as it costs tax payers tons of money for police/jails and denies tax revenue. It's not worse than other legal vices. I generally think if something isn't harming others and is only harming the individual then it is the individuals responsibility to manage their life.

excellent point about the ridiculous number of people in prison for pot offences. emptying prisons alone is a good reason to legalize pot

also, depression is not on the list of qualifying conditions for medical pot in illinois. hundreds of thousands of people with chronic depression that have long been searching for a solution w/o success will potentially benefit from this. why the hell are opponents constantly citing potential negative health consequences while completely ignoring the positive health consequences?

when health insurance covers medical marijuana for any reason whatsoever w/ a doctor signing off, that will be a true cause for celebration. but that will require a change in federal law...?


Yeah, I agree. The fact that it's still a schedule 1 drug FEDERALLY is a joke. It prevents insurance companies from paying for treatment. I can't tell you how many cancer patients absolutely need it when in chemo. Just to eat and sleep and be comfortable. We used to give meds to patients who couldn't afford it in Colorado when we first opened. When somebody is in tears and comes back to tell you how much you changed their life, it's a good thing.

One of the other problems with the industry is the fact there are so many businesses out there that cannot even bank normally. FDIC Depositories will not even accept our money. Alaska is the first place that has banking for the industry. Problem is these are just two credit unions and they are charging $1200/mo. just to maintain an account. It's robbery, but they feel that technically the feds can come and seize that money if they really wanted to. "Technically", the DEA could come and seize everything you own and shut you down. It's really a shame.

nice perspective. is pot better than opioids for chemo or is it just the addiction issue that makes pot preferable?
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Re: OT: Recreational use of Marijuana will be legal in Illinois 

Post#65 » by NWIBullsFan » Sat Jun 1, 2019 3:31 am

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dice wrote:excellent point about the ridiculous number of people in prison for pot offences. emptying prisons alone is a good reason to legalize pot

also, depression is not on the list of qualifying conditions for medical pot in illinois. hundreds of thousands of people with chronic depression that have long been searching for a solution w/o success will potentially benefit from this. why the hell are opponents constantly citing potential negative health consequences while completely ignoring the positive health consequences?

when health insurance covers medical marijuana for any reason whatsoever w/ a doctor signing off, that will be a true cause for celebration. but that will require a change in federal law...?


Yeah, I agree. The fact that it's still a schedule 1 drug FEDERALLY is a joke. It prevents insurance companies from paying for treatment. I can't tell you how many cancer patients absolutely need it when in chemo. Just to eat and sleep and be comfortable. We used to give meds to patients who couldn't afford it in Colorado when we first opened. When somebody is in tears and comes back to tell you how much you changed their life, it's a good thing.

One of the other problems with the industry is the fact there are so many businesses out there that cannot even bank normally. FDIC Depositories will not even accept our money. Alaska is the first place that has banking for the industry. Problem is these are just two credit unions and they are charging $1200/mo. just to maintain an account. It's robbery, but they feel that technically the feds can come and seize that money if they really wanted to. "Technically", the DEA could come and seize everything you own and shut you down. It's really a shame.

nice perspective. is pot better than opioids for chemo or is it just the addiction issue that makes pot preferable?


They treat 2 different things for most people. Pot gives a chemo user an appetite, opioids control the pain.

I say "for most people", because weed alleviates pain differently in different people. I'm sure there are folks who can use pot for the cancer pain, but (I think) for most, they need the opioids to control the pain.
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Re: OT: Recreational use of Marijuana will be legal in Illinois 

Post#66 » by NWIBullsFan » Sat Jun 1, 2019 3:34 am

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League Circles wrote:I wonder how long it will take before there are shops you can just walk into. Whether medical dispensaries will just be converted to recreational or what.


They won't. The medical dispensaries will stay medical. Just like in Colorado they still have medical dispensaries. Medical is taxed less and has higher standards for purity and labeling accuracy.


Actually, in IL current medical dispensaries will be the first to start selling recreational on Jan 1, as they say it will take like 5-6 months to get new sellers approved:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/cannabis/2019/5/31/18647868/marijuana-illinois-legalization-where-to-buy-amount

On Jan. 1, Illinoisans will be able to legally purchase recreational marijuana from pot shops across the state.

Companies that currently hold licenses to grow and sell medical marijuana will be included in an early approval process that will allow them to obtain recreational pot licenses and start selling the drug at the start of the new year.
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Re: OT: Recreational use of Marijuana will be legal in Illinois 

Post#67 » by johnnyvann840 » Sat Jun 1, 2019 3:43 am

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dice wrote:excellent point about the ridiculous number of people in prison for pot offences. emptying prisons alone is a good reason to legalize pot

also, depression is not on the list of qualifying conditions for medical pot in illinois. hundreds of thousands of people with chronic depression that have long been searching for a solution w/o success will potentially benefit from this. why the hell are opponents constantly citing potential negative health consequences while completely ignoring the positive health consequences?

when health insurance covers medical marijuana for any reason whatsoever w/ a doctor signing off, that will be a true cause for celebration. but that will require a change in federal law...?


Yeah, I agree. The fact that it's still a schedule 1 drug FEDERALLY is a joke. It prevents insurance companies from paying for treatment. I can't tell you how many cancer patients absolutely need it when in chemo. Just to eat and sleep and be comfortable. We used to give meds to patients who couldn't afford it in Colorado when we first opened. When somebody is in tears and comes back to tell you how much you changed their life, it's a good thing.

One of the other problems with the industry is the fact there are so many businesses out there that cannot even bank normally. FDIC Depositories will not even accept our money. Alaska is the first place that has banking for the industry. Problem is these are just two credit unions and they are charging $1200/mo. just to maintain an account. It's robbery, but they feel that technically the feds can come and seize that money if they really wanted to. "Technically", the DEA could come and seize everything you own and shut you down. It's really a shame.

nice perspective. is pot better than opioids for chemo or is it just the addiction issue that makes pot preferable?


That is such a good question. Depends on the patient and the way it's administered. Most patients using opiates find that they need much less when they use it in a combination of cannabis and whatever opioid they are prescribed. For a large majority of chemo patients they find that nothing works better than cannabis for regaining their appetite and for sleeping problems.

Of course there are so many different ways to administer CBD and THC. You have extracts in so many different forms now which a lot of people prefer to flower. Some people find that edibles are better for them than vaping or smoking, others say that good old fashioned smoking of the flower works best for them. Also, whether the medicine has higher levels of CBD, THC and certain terpenes. There are also tinctures (which is an extract that you can rub right into your skin) which some prefer. Some strains (or I should say phenotypes- the pheno matters more than the "strain") are high in CBD and have very little, or no, THC (which is what gets you high). There are just so many variables and such a range of potency and blend of components.

One other thing is that like most every drug, everybody is different and is affected differently, so the best thing to do is try several different phenos and different ways to take it and eventually you will find out what works best for you and has the least undesirable side effects. Obviously, if you have lung cancer, smoking flower is probably not the best idea, so edibles or a sublingual would probably be the way to go.
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Re: OT: Recreational use of Marijuana will be legal in Illinois 

Post#68 » by johnnyvann840 » Sat Jun 1, 2019 3:47 am

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League Circles wrote:I wonder how long it will take before there are shops you can just walk into. Whether medical dispensaries will just be converted to recreational or what.


They won't. The medical dispensaries will stay medical. Just like in Colorado they still have medical dispensaries. Medical is taxed less and has higher standards for purity and labeling accuracy.


Actually, in IL current medical dispensaries will be the first to start selling recreational on Jan 1, as they say it will take like 5-6 months to get new sellers approved:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/cannabis/2019/5/31/18647868/marijuana-illinois-legalization-where-to-buy-amount

On Jan. 1, Illinoisans will be able to legally purchase recreational marijuana from pot shops across the state.

Companies that currently hold licenses to grow and sell medical marijuana will be included in an early approval process that will allow them to obtain recreational pot licenses and start selling the drug at the start of the new year.


Right. What I am saying is that medical dispensaries won't just turn into recreational ones. Of course they will have both, but the medical dispensaries are not going to go away (or be "converted"). That was the question. Certainly most of them, if not all of them will eventually want to sell rec also.
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Re: OT: Recreational use of Marijuana will be legal in Illinois 

Post#69 » by NWIBullsFan » Sat Jun 1, 2019 4:08 am

johnnyvann840 wrote:
NWIBullsFan wrote:
johnnyvann840 wrote:
They won't. The medical dispensaries will stay medical. Just like in Colorado they still have medical dispensaries. Medical is taxed less and has higher standards for purity and labeling accuracy.


Actually, in IL current medical dispensaries will be the first to start selling recreational on Jan 1, as they say it will take like 5-6 months to get new sellers approved:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/cannabis/2019/5/31/18647868/marijuana-illinois-legalization-where-to-buy-amount

On Jan. 1, Illinoisans will be able to legally purchase recreational marijuana from pot shops across the state.

Companies that currently hold licenses to grow and sell medical marijuana will be included in an early approval process that will allow them to obtain recreational pot licenses and start selling the drug at the start of the new year.


Right. What I am saying is that medical dispensaries won't just turn into recreational ones. Of course they will have both, but the medical dispensaries are not going to go away (or be "converted"). That was the question. Certainly most of them, if not all of them will eventually want to sell rec also.


Ahh, I gotcha, I read "converted" differently, I took it as converted to selling both, not converted to just rec.
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Re: OT: Recreational use of Marijuana will be legal in Illinois 

Post#70 » by SalmonsSuperfan » Sat Jun 1, 2019 5:09 am

johnnyvann840 wrote:
NWIBullsFan wrote:
johnnyvann840 wrote:
They won't. The medical dispensaries will stay medical. Just like in Colorado they still have medical dispensaries. Medical is taxed less and has higher standards for purity and labeling accuracy.


Actually, in IL current medical dispensaries will be the first to start selling recreational on Jan 1, as they say it will take like 5-6 months to get new sellers approved:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/cannabis/2019/5/31/18647868/marijuana-illinois-legalization-where-to-buy-amount

On Jan. 1, Illinoisans will be able to legally purchase recreational marijuana from pot shops across the state.

Companies that currently hold licenses to grow and sell medical marijuana will be included in an early approval process that will allow them to obtain recreational pot licenses and start selling the drug at the start of the new year.


Right. What I am saying is that medical dispensaries won't just turn into recreational ones. Of course they will have both, but the medical dispensaries are not going to go away (or be "converted"). That was the question. Certainly most of them, if not all of them will eventually want to sell rec also.

I bet they would. I’m in california and as far as I know the majority of medical dispensaries sell recreationally as well since legalization. Medical and recreational users have different restrictions and in Colorado they pay different taxes. But I reckon the medical dispensaries would want a whole bunch more people to sell to.
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Re: OT: Recreational use of Marijuana will be legal in Illinois 

Post#71 » by RedBulls23 » Sat Jun 1, 2019 5:37 am

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Yeah, I agree. The fact that it's still a schedule 1 drug FEDERALLY is a joke. It prevents insurance companies from paying for treatment. I can't tell you how many cancer patients absolutely need it when in chemo. Just to eat and sleep and be comfortable. We used to give meds to patients who couldn't afford it in Colorado when we first opened. When somebody is in tears and comes back to tell you how much you changed their life, it's a good thing.

One of the other problems with the industry is the fact there are so many businesses out there that cannot even bank normally. FDIC Depositories will not even accept our money. Alaska is the first place that has banking for the industry. Problem is these are just two credit unions and they are charging $1200/mo. just to maintain an account. It's robbery, but they feel that technically the feds can come and seize that money if they really wanted to. "Technically", the DEA could come and seize everything you own and shut you down. It's really a shame.

nice perspective. is pot better than opioids for chemo or is it just the addiction issue that makes pot preferable?


They treat 2 different things for most people. Pot gives a chemo user an appetite, opioids control the pain.

I say "for most people", because weed alleviates pain differently in different people. I'm sure there are folks who can use pot for the cancer pain, but (I think) for most, they need the opioids to control the pain.

I've heard that Pot also helps people not get nauseous from the Chemo. Not sure if that's accurate though.
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Re: OT: Recreational use of Marijuana will be legal in Illinois 

Post#72 » by dice » Sat Jun 1, 2019 5:39 am

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dice wrote:nice perspective. is pot better than opioids for chemo or is it just the addiction issue that makes pot preferable?


They treat 2 different things for most people. Pot gives a chemo user an appetite, opioids control the pain.

I say "for most people", because weed alleviates pain differently in different people. I'm sure there are folks who can use pot for the cancer pain, but (I think) for most, they need the opioids to control the pain.

I've heard that Pot also helps people not get nauseous from the Chemo. Not sure if that's accurate though.

it's definitely good for nausea for many if not most people
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Re: OT: Recreational use of Marijuana will be legal in Illinois 

Post#73 » by NWIBullsFan » Sat Jun 1, 2019 5:41 am

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dice wrote:nice perspective. is pot better than opioids for chemo or is it just the addiction issue that makes pot preferable?


They treat 2 different things for most people. Pot gives a chemo user an appetite, opioids control the pain.

I say "for most people", because weed alleviates pain differently in different people. I'm sure there are folks who can use pot for the cancer pain, but (I think) for most, they need the opioids to control the pain.

I've heard that Pot also helps people not get nauseous from the Chemo. Not sure if that's accurate though.


Yeah I think you're right. I"m no cancer expert, but I think it's the nausea that stops chemo patients from eating, because who has an appetite when they're nauseous?
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Re: OT: Recreational use of Marijuana will be legal in Illinois 

Post#74 » by 2018C3 » Sat Jun 1, 2019 5:46 am

I do drink, but do not take other drugs.

If it was up to me and the choice was between making pot legal, or making alcohol illegal, and these were the only two options I could have voted for, making alcohol illeagal would have been my choice.

One move would help society function, and the other just moves it further down the drain in the same dirrection it has been going for years.

Id rather see us clean things up in the other dirrection, and heavily tax alchohol, cigarettes, and other luxuries.
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Post#75 » by DSand » Sat Jun 1, 2019 6:54 am

It's a basic freedom that has been denied us for way too long. It's beyond archaic that "The land of the free" legislates our own personal behavior in this regard. It's only for corrupt and devious reasons that it's been illegal for this long, and in my opinion, anyone that thinks otherwise has had the wool pulled over their head while willfully buried in the sand.
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Post#76 » by PlayerUp » Sat Jun 1, 2019 10:08 am

TheSuzerain wrote:
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To the extent a billionaire can actually be a leftist, sure!


Not just the left, some on the right supports this as well.

I'm a libertarian myself and this is a very good move. The government (which is failing and in massive debt) should stay out of our lives as much as possible and we need to legalize more things not be so controlled. The more freedom, the better.
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Post#77 » by jc23 » Sat Jun 1, 2019 10:16 am

wonderboy2 wrote:
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wonderboy2 wrote:Smh Illinois out of all states should not have weed legalized. The crime rate is going to increase even more now in result to this.

Where did you come up with this theory?

Therory? Weed can cause phycosis in some people with underlying mental health disorders. People who would not have used the drug due to consequences will now be able to use it without any penalty. Thus some people who have not had mental health issues in the past who take weed, can start to trigger these issues leading to violence.


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Personally i think it will do more good then harm, but i have never smoked so im not speaking from experience. I do know if i ever had pain issues i would prefer to go the weed route before pain meds.
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Post#78 » by bledredwine » Sat Jun 1, 2019 10:55 am

:)

Not even a smoker

But

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Post#79 » by molepharmer » Sat Jun 1, 2019 12:31 pm

There's needs to be some clarity in what is being discussed. I mean, Cannibis is the plant; also commonly referred to as marijuana. But marijuana is also used to describe the mixture of several hundred different chemical compounds. One or a few of which, for example, THC are psycho-active. But the marijuana mixture also contains some compounds which have been shown to be of medicinal benefit for their anti-anxiety and anti-inflammatory characteristics.

I don't care if they legalize smoking the plant or not. But they should definitely have some regulatory standard; maybe even drug labeling with approximate percentages. Anybody who has smoked for the last 10+ years knows that what is available now, is significantly different than what was available then. Genetic engineering could yield unimaginable results, and not all good.
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Post#80 » by HearshotKDS » Sat Jun 1, 2019 3:29 pm

Big fan of this, as someone in the "wife, kid, white collar job, house in the burbs" crowd. There was never a good reason why people shouldn't have been able to buy this stuff through a licensed and taxed provider, just to hit a vape pen with the significant other while watching a movie on Saturday after the little one is down for the night. Small QoL improvement for what I assume is most people, big QoL improvement for some, big influx of tax dollars which is theoretically a boon for everyone. After enduring a bunch of hair-brained schemes to squeeze tax dollars out of the state/city (bag tax, sugar tax, red light camera, netflix tax/list goes on) im glad this revenue grab has something nice in it for me.

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