RealGM Top 25 Player Poll-#5 2019-20

[Metallikid]

Gotta be AD. 3rd all-time in PER behind Jordan and LeBron. 4th all-time in playoff PER behind Jordan, LeBron, and Mikan. One of the 5 best defenders in the league. Just entering his prime at 26. And now finally on a team where he can flourish. Closer to #1 than #6 IMO.

The eye test doesn't say he's a winning player. The game is so perimeter oriented these days dominant bigs aren't good enough.

Add him to Toronto’s roster and y’all are going back to back. Don’t blame him for that trash roster.

lolwut? What does my opinion on AD have to do with the Raptors roster?

If you're insinuating something then sorry to disappoint you but I'm not sour about anything, my man.

I'll bet you right now the Raptors go further in the playoffs than the Lakers do.

[ken6199]

NBA 2K just rated Kevin Durant a 96 (same as Harden and Curry). This is their ‘Top 20 Overall’ which should be very similar to our ‘Top 25 Overall’:

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/news/nba-2k20-ratings-list-overall-numbers-reveal-release-date/11ptil7ibnb281u9qdj9ubqowd

2k ratings are not only driven by basketball reason but also other factors. Harden and LeBron were leading the ratings last year at 96, and LeBron went up to 97 this year while being one year further away from his prime. KD and Curry were both 95 in 2k19, but you cannot say they were worse players than Harden. Harden's leading 96 rating was largely because of his MVP season, and KD and Curry happened to play for the same team.

2k also doesn't take injuries into consideration. KD should absolutely be rated at 96 or gamers will go mad.

https://news.nba2kwishlist.com/list/nba-2k19-all-player-ratings

[lakerz12]

The eye test doesn't say he's a winning player. The game is so perimeter oriented these days dominant bigs aren't good enough.

Add him to Toronto’s roster and y’all are going back to back. Don’t blame him for that trash roster.

lolwut? What does my opinion on AD have to do with the Raptors roster?

If you're insinuating something then sorry to disappoint you but I'm not sour about anything, my man.

I'll bet you right now the Raptors go further in the playoffs than the Lakers do.

He was talking about the Pelicans roster being trash....

And AD can shoot the 3. In regard to your perimeter oriented comment.

And it's easy to bet on a team in the lEast. I would gladly bet on the Lakers going further than the Raptors if they were in the same conference.

[Metallikid]

Add him to Toronto’s roster and y’all are going back to back. Don’t blame him for that trash roster.

lolwut? What does my opinion on AD have to do with the Raptors roster?

If you're insinuating something then sorry to disappoint you but I'm not sour about anything, my man.

I'll bet you right now the Raptors go further in the playoffs than the Lakers do.

He was talking about the Pelicans roster being trash....

And AD can shoot the 3. In regard to your perimeter oriented comment.

And it's easy to bet on a team in the lEast. I would gladly bet on the Lakers going further than the Raptors if they were in the same conference.

Yeah but they're not so...? The guy's comment was worded oddly I guess I misinterpreted it. AD shooting the three doesn't mean he has a perimetre-oriented game, he still spends most of his time in the paint, and the people he guards are mostly in the paint.

Also, I don't think the Pelicans had all bad rosters. Several years I expected them to make the playoffs and they didn't. Jrue Holiday has played great since going to New Orleans. Lots of other people played well. Didn't they have Alvin Gentry as the coach for a while? He's a good coach. DId AD even get a single playoff win in New Orleans?

[lakerz12]

lolwut? What does my opinion on AD have to do with the Raptors roster?

If you're insinuating something then sorry to disappoint you but I'm not sour about anything, my man.

I'll bet you right now the Raptors go further in the playoffs than the Lakers do.

He was talking about the Pelicans roster being trash....

And AD can shoot the 3. In regard to your perimeter oriented comment.

And it's easy to bet on a team in the lEast. I would gladly bet on the Lakers going further than the Raptors if they were in the same conference.

Yeah but they're not so...? The guy's comment was worded oddly I guess I misinterpreted it. AD shooting the three doesn't mean he has a perimetre-oriented game, he still spends most of his time in the paint, and the people he guards are mostly in the paint.

Also, I don't think the Pelicans had all bad rosters. Several years I expected them to make the playoffs and they didn't. Jrue Holiday has played great since going to New Orleans. Lots of other people played well. Didn't they have Alvin Gentry as the coach for a while? He's a good coach. DId AD even get a single playoff win in New Orleans?

To your point, elite perimeter play is crucial. Holiday is good but not great. AD has never played with an elite wing/ball handler/perimeter player until now, in LeBron.

AD's playoff results have been dissapointing. But his personal metrics on offense and defense are undeniably top notch. This year we will see if he can be a key part of a team that goes deep into the playoffs or not.

[Metallikid]

He was talking about the Pelicans roster being trash....

And AD can shoot the 3. In regard to your perimeter oriented comment.

And it's easy to bet on a team in the lEast. I would gladly bet on the Lakers going further than the Raptors if they were in the same conference.

Yeah but they're not so...? The guy's comment was worded oddly I guess I misinterpreted it. AD shooting the three doesn't mean he has a perimetre-oriented game, he still spends most of his time in the paint, and the people he guards are mostly in the paint.

Also, I don't think the Pelicans had all bad rosters. Several years I expected them to make the playoffs and they didn't. Jrue Holiday has played great since going to New Orleans. Lots of other people played well. Didn't they have Alvin Gentry as the coach for a while? He's a good coach. DId AD even get a single playoff win in New Orleans?

To your point, elite perimeter play is crucial. Holiday is good but not great. AD has never played with an elite wing/ball handler/perimeter player until now, in LeBron.

AD's playoff results have been dissapointing. But his personal metrics on offense and defense are undeniably top notch. This year we will see if he can be a key part of a team that goes deep into the playoffs or not.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree about Jrue, I think he's a star player in this league and will have more all-star appearances in his future.

But I do agree, this is a huge season for many teams, the Lakers being near the top.

[Doctor MJ]

Vote: Jokic - surprised myself here.
Nom: Draymond

[iggymcfrack]

lolwut? What does my opinion on AD have to do with the Raptors roster?

If you're insinuating something then sorry to disappoint you but I'm not sour about anything, my man.

I'll bet you right now the Raptors go further in the playoffs than the Lakers do.

He was talking about the Pelicans roster being trash....

And AD can shoot the 3. In regard to your perimeter oriented comment.

And it's easy to bet on a team in the lEast. I would gladly bet on the Lakers going further than the Raptors if they were in the same conference.

Yeah but they're not so...? The guy's comment was worded oddly I guess I misinterpreted it. AD shooting the three doesn't mean he has a perimetre-oriented game, he still spends most of his time in the paint, and the people he guards are mostly in the paint.

Also, I don't think the Pelicans had all bad rosters. Several years I expected them to make the playoffs and they didn't. Jrue Holiday has played great since going to New Orleans. Lots of other people played well. Didn't they have Alvin Gentry as the coach for a while? He's a good coach. DId AD even get a single playoff win in New Orleans?

Wow, are people’s memories really that short? AD’s Pelicans swept the Blazers all the way back in the ancient history that is 2018 and then took a game off KD’s Warriors in Round 2 before going down.

[Metallikid]

He was talking about the Pelicans roster being trash....

And AD can shoot the 3. In regard to your perimeter oriented comment.

And it's easy to bet on a team in the lEast. I would gladly bet on the Lakers going further than the Raptors if they were in the same conference.

Yeah but they're not so...? The guy's comment was worded oddly I guess I misinterpreted it. AD shooting the three doesn't mean he has a perimetre-oriented game, he still spends most of his time in the paint, and the people he guards are mostly in the paint.

Also, I don't think the Pelicans had all bad rosters. Several years I expected them to make the playoffs and they didn't. Jrue Holiday has played great since going to New Orleans. Lots of other people played well. Didn't they have Alvin Gentry as the coach for a while? He's a good coach. DId AD even get a single playoff win in New Orleans?

Wow, are people’s memories really that short? AD’s Pelicans swept the Blazers all the way back in the ancient history that is 2018 and then took a game off KD’s Warriors in Round 2 before going down.

Wow I did totally forget about that. The only series I distinctly remember for the Pels was the one where they got swept by the Warriors and in game 3 or 4 the Pelicans had like a 20 point lead going into the fourth and still lost in overtime I believe.

[pootbrah]

Vote jimmy

Nominate doncic

[moistnessfiscal]

Vote AD

Nominate Simmons

[Effigy]

lolwut? What does my opinion on AD have to do with the Raptors roster?

If you're insinuating something then sorry to disappoint you but I'm not sour about anything, my man.

I'll bet you right now the Raptors go further in the playoffs than the Lakers do.

He was talking about the Pelicans roster being trash....

And AD can shoot the 3. In regard to your perimeter oriented comment.

And it's easy to bet on a team in the lEast. I would gladly bet on the Lakers going further than the Raptors if they were in the same conference.

Yeah but they're not so...? The guy's comment was worded oddly I guess I misinterpreted it. AD shooting the three doesn't mean he has a perimetre-oriented game, he still spends most of his time in the paint, and the people he guards are mostly in the paint.

Also, I don't think the Pelicans had all bad rosters. Several years I expected them to make the playoffs and they didn't. Jrue Holiday has played great since going to New Orleans. Lots of other people played well. Didn't they have Alvin Gentry as the coach for a while? He's a good coach. DId AD even get a single playoff win in New Orleans?

Yeah, I was referring to the Pelicans' roster, not yours. You guys have a great roster and you'd win a title with AD. The fit would be great, honestly. Put Kawhi in New Orleans and they don't win anything either.

And yes, AD does have a playoff win. in the 2017-18 season they swept their first round opponent. I don't remember who that was and it's not important to bring up.

[NZB2323]

I voted for Anthony Davis. I just think a 25 year old Anthony Davis will dominate with a Lebron pick-and-roll, whereas a 30 year old Harden will have trouble fitting with Westbrook(at least at first) as they're the 2 players in NBA history with the highest usage rate.

[mdonnelly1989]

I'm assuming KD would have won been 3rd or 4th had he been healthy almost guaranteed, no question about it. KD is easily the most talented skilled player of this group.

[mdonnelly1989]

Durant easy, if he's not the pick here shut the poll down

Agree with don't know how in the world Harden is better than KD unless people are taking into account injury.

[NZB2323]

Durant easy, if he's not the pick here shut the poll down

Agree with don't know how in the world Harden is better than KD unless people are taking into account injury.

This poll is top players for the 2019-2020 season. KD will not play during the 2019-2020 season. It's just like how Jordan wasn't a top 25 NBA player in 1994 or 1999, Arvydas Sabonis wasn't a top 25 NBA player in 1985, Magic Johnson wasn't a top 25 NBA player in 1992, Derrick Rose wasn't a top 25 player in 2013, ect.

[clyde21]

Durant easy, if he's not the pick here shut the poll down

Agree with don't know how in the world Harden is better than KD unless people are taking into account injury.

This poll is top players for the 2019-2020 season. KD will not play during the 2019-2020 season. It's just like how Jordan wasn't a top 25 NBA player in 1994 or 1999, Arvydas Sabonis wasn't a top 25 NBA player in 1985, Magic Johnson wasn't a top 25 NBA player in 1992, Derrick Rose wasn't a top 25 player in 2013, ect.

if Durant is on the poll, you vote Durant. if he's not included at all then don't have him on the poll, but as long as he's an option then he's the pick.

also Durant is still in the NBA last time I checked.

[NZB2323]

Agree with don't know how in the world Harden is better than KD unless people are taking into account injury.

This poll is top players for the 2019-2020 season. KD will not play during the 2019-2020 season. It's just like how Jordan wasn't a top 25 NBA player in 1994 or 1999, Arvydas Sabonis wasn't a top 25 NBA player in 1985, Magic Johnson wasn't a top 25 NBA player in 1992, Derrick Rose wasn't a top 25 player in 2013, ect.

if Durant is on the poll, you vote Durant. if he's not included at all then don't have him on the poll, but as long as he's an option then he's the pick.

also Durant is still in the NBA last time I checked.

During the 2019-2020 he will average a total combined 0 points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks per game. He will not make the all-star team or any all-NBA team. He shouldn't even be on the poll, but I believe that there's some formula the OP uses that includes him on the poll because someone nominated him or he was on the poll last year.

[clyde21]

This poll is top players for the 2019-2020 season. KD will not play during the 2019-2020 season. It's just like how Jordan wasn't a top 25 NBA player in 1994 or 1999, Arvydas Sabonis wasn't a top 25 NBA player in 1985, Magic Johnson wasn't a top 25 NBA player in 1992, Derrick Rose wasn't a top 25 player in 2013, ect.

if Durant is on the poll, you vote Durant. if he's not included at all then don't have him on the poll, but as long as he's an option then he's the pick.

also Durant is still in the NBA last time I checked.

During the 2019-2020 he will average a total combined 0 points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks per game. He will not make the all-star team or any all-NBA team. He shouldn't even be on the poll, but I believe that there's some formula the OP uses that includes him on the poll because someone nominated him or he was on the poll last year.

you could say that about anyone. James Harden could get hurt tomorrow and amass 0 points for the year. who the **** cares? they're still in the NBA, still on NBA rosters, and historical data and evidence matters here.

Durant is a top 3-4 player in the NBA, injured or not. period.

either you vote him in, or you remove him altogether from the poll. there is no in between here.

[NZB2323]

if Durant is on the poll, you vote Durant. if he's not included at all then don't have him on the poll, but as long as he's an option then he's the pick.

also Durant is still in the NBA last time I checked.

During the 2019-2020 he will average a total combined 0 points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks per game. He will not make the all-star team or any all-NBA team. He shouldn't even be on the poll, but I believe that there's some formula the OP uses that includes him on the poll because someone nominated him or he was on the poll last year.

you could say that about anyone. James Harden could get hurt tomorrow and amass 0 points for the year. who the **** cares? they're still in the NBA, still on NBA rosters, and historical data and evidence matters here.

Durant is a top 3-4 player in the NBA, injured or not. period.

either you vote him in, or you remove him altogether from the poll. there is no in between here.

He should be removed from the poll. Was Derrick Rose a top 25 player for the 2012-2013 season?