Semi-OT: Coronavirus (COVID-19) Discussion Thread VI (Don't Read Post 1 & FAQ)

[Dirk]

Two in every three that enter ICU seem to die. Maybe more but those numbers may take weeks to show.

This is from the Spanish Minister

age group | confirmed | hospitalized (number / %) | ICU(UCI) | Deaths (number; %; rate)

Seems like they rarely put those aged over 80 in the ICU.

This is also official and interesting


---Not hospitalized | Hospitalized, not in ICU | ICU or Dead

You can see the average ages, 52 / 68/ 75

Here, you can see a comparison (data may be lagging for some countries)


Spain - Italy - Germany - France - UK

Look at "IA ultimos 14 dias", that is the cases per 100.000 habitants over the last 14 days. Spain at 141 cases per 100.

If you look at Germany



21% are over 60; in Spain 48% of cases are over 60

[Optimus_Steel]

Sad thing about all this is that the wealthy real estate people are licking their chops because they see opportunity to buy tons of foreclosed properties cheap once the foreclosures start. Same thing happened after the great recession but this may be much worse.

[lakerz12]

Sad thing about all this is that the wealthy real estate people are licking their chops because they see opportunity to buy tons of foreclosed properties cheap once the foreclosures start. Same thing happened after the great recession but this may probably will be much worse.

Wouldn't the sad thing be that people might lose their homes?

[LKN]

Sad thing about all this is that the wealthy real estate people are licking their chops because they see opportunity to buy tons of foreclosed properties cheap once the foreclosures start. Same thing happened after the great recession but this may probably will be much worse.

I'm not super rich - but I won't lie I've started glancing at beach condo prices (my wife and I have talked about buying one for a few years).

[NoDopeOnSundays]

(Albany, GA)

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Terrifying. Urban areas like NYC are the canary in the coal mine because of physical geography; people live close together and need to use public spaces such as transit more in their daily lives compared to less urban areas. Thus, the disease spread quicker there.

In less heavily urban regions of the country, such as the South, events such as weekly church services, as well as weddings and funerals, are probably the most frequent large public gatherings now that movies, sports, and plays are shut down. With public officials in those areas slow to move to more restrictive shelter-place-orders, it may already be too late to avert catastrophe. And, those areas don't have healthcare systems that are nearly as developed, or media and economic influence nearly as large to summon extra help, as NYC.

God help them if everyone decides to head out for Easter Sunday.

That story is from Albany, Georgia, for a second I thought it was Albany, NY.

[moderndarwin]

My most selfish objective view is that again i’m screwed on timing.

Had no money after the 2008 recession as i just left undergrad and was broke and had a lot of debt.

Again, now I finished masters and have paid off all debts and have just been working a few years. Have some emergency savings and normal money but absolutely do not have a huge chunk of cash or money market funds.

Would of loved to buy some real estate on the low side or throw a lot of money into the markets on this huge dip.

Again, that’s just selfish objective thoughts. I’m very content and lucky to have my health and for all of my close friends and family to also not have been directly impacted or gotten the virus yet.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

Sad thing about all this is that the wealthy real estate people are licking their chops because they see opportunity to buy tons of foreclosed properties cheap once the foreclosures start. Same thing happened after the great recession but this may probably will be much worse.

I'm not super rich - but I won't lie I've started glancing at beach condo prices (my wife and I have talked about buying one for a few years).

As grim as it sounds, I've been keeping an eye on the housing market, and looking at Crypto just in case Bitcoin bottoms soon, after printing trillions of dollars out of thin air I have to consider cryptocurrencies in the future.

[chrismikayla]

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The belief is that the Albany explosion centered around two heavily attended funerals the same week. A couple of them came back to the Atlanta area and passed away. It's amazing how many fatalities they have in Albany and many, many critical patients. As far as churches, any pastor who does not move to online church services are playing with lives.

https://www.ajc.com/news/state--regional/city-under-seige-coronavirus-exacts-heavy-toll-albany/xC9NO677gfDQSaGEQDXSAN/

[Catchall]

Ugh - yesterday NY reported 7,285 new infections and 140 new deaths for the entire day. Today we already have 6,056 infections and 122 new deaths and it's not even 1 PM eastern. Just awful

Key figure: number of tests.
44% of New York State tests for coronavirus were positive yesterday (7,681/17,412)

That's terrifying considering how many people they are testing.

NY/NJ represents 50% of U.S. confirmed cases and 40% of fatalities so far.

[Optimus_Steel]

Sad thing about all this is that the wealthy real estate people are licking their chops because they see opportunity to buy tons of foreclosed properties cheap once the foreclosures start. Same thing happened after the great recession but this may probably will be much worse.

I'm not super rich - but I won't lie I've started glancing at beach condo prices (my wife and I have talked about buying one for a few years).

As grim as it sounds, I've been keeping an eye on the housing market, and looking at Crypto just in case Bitcoin bottoms soon, after printing trillions of dollars out of thin air I have to consider cryptocurrencies in the future.

Not concerned about regular people as yourself. Moreso the corporations buying condos and single family homes and putting them in Real Estate Investment Trust, then just jacking up rents and screwing everyday people.

[shakes0]

My most selfish objective view is that again i’m screwed on timing.

Had no money after the 2008 recession as i just left undergrad and was broke and had a lot of debt.

Again, now I finished masters and have paid off all debts and have just been working a few years. Have some emergency savings and normal money but absolutely do not have a huge chunk of cash or money market funds.

Would of loved to buy some real estate on the low side or throw a lot of money into the markets on this huge dip.

Again, that’s just selfish objective thoughts. I’m very content and lucky to have my health and for all of my close friends and family to also not have been directly impacted or gotten the virus yet.

aw, you poor baby. Feel really sorry for you and your "bad timing". Now let me tell you about some actual bad timing. In 2008 I bought my first condo in Chicago. A week later the bottom fell out of the real estate market. A month ago I sold that condo for $20,000 less than I paid. A few days after that I upgraded and bought a house in the suburbs. A few weeks later, all this happened. Closing on both properties Monday. We'll see how much my house holds its value when this is all said and done.

The good news is I plan to live there a long time, maybe forever. so hopefully by the time i go to sell it will get its value back. Also on the plus side is at least I got my condo sold before that price dropped as well.

so yea, that's what actual bad timing looks like.

Told my friends, if you ever want to know when to get out of the market just wait till I buy property and then dump everything.

[chrismikayla]

This may have been mentioned, but I'm worried for many cities and areas in the South eventually. The Southeast has a larger African American population and as a black male I will admit:

We tend to have extremely high rates of diabetes and high blood pressure. Part of it is hereditary and part of it is lack of exercise and poor diet ( Southern staples such as excessive fried foods, etc.) This needs to be put out there. Here in Atlanta I don't get the feeling people are taking this serious at all. I see dozens of people at MARTA bus stops and rail stations close together with no face masks.

[LKN]

This may have been mentioned, but I'm worried for many cities and areas in the South eventually. The Southeast has a larger African American population and as a black male I will admit:

We tend to have extremely high rates of diabetes and high blood pressure. Part of it is hereditary and part of it is lack of exercise and poor diet ( Southern staples such as excessive fried foods, etc.) This needs to be put out there. Here in Atlanta I don't get the feeling people are taking this serious at all. I see dozens of people at MARTA bus stops and rail stations close together with no face masks.

Considering that Atlanta is supposedly now at 100% ICU capacity that seems bad

[Optimus_Steel]

Sad thing about all this is that the wealthy real estate people are licking their chops because they see opportunity to buy tons of foreclosed properties cheap once the foreclosures start. Same thing happened after the great recession but this may probably will be much worse.

Wouldn't the sad thing be that people might lose their homes?

Absolutely, this will probably will be worse than the great recession. Nothing has been done or is even being discussed in Washington about freezing mortgage or rent payments and it could be by design because their large donors are salivating. The treasury secretary Mnuchin fraudulently foreclosed on thousands of homes, made giant profits as a result and his "punishment" is making him the treasury secretary....

[Dirk]

Oh boy, Ken61999 will lose it as CDC doubles down

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[Ayt]

This is a very illuminating article about the multiple issues that led to the lack of testing in the US.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/28/us/testing-coronavirus-pandemic.html

Early on, the dozen federal officials charged with defending America against the coronavirus gathered day after day in the White House Situation Room, consumed by crises. They grappled with how to evacuate the United States consulate in Wuhan, China, ban Chinese travelers and extract Americans from the Diamond Princess and other cruise ships.

The members of the coronavirus task force typically devoted only five or 10 minutes, often at the end of contentious meetings, to talk about testing, several participants recalled. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, its leaders assured the others, had developed a diagnostic model that would be rolled out quickly as a first step.

But as the deadly virus from China spread with ferocity across the United States between late January and early March, large-scale testing of people who might have been infected did not happen — because of technical flaws, regulatory hurdles, business-as-usual bureaucracies and lack of leadership at multiple levels, according to interviews with more than 50 current and former public health officials, administration officials, senior scientists and company executives.

The result was a lost month, when the world’s richest country — armed with some of the most highly trained scientists and infectious disease specialists — squandered its best chance of containing the virus’s spread. Instead, Americans were left largely blind to the scale of a looming public health catastrophe.

[zimpy27]

This is from the Spanish Minister

age group | confirmed | hospitalized (number / %) | ICU(UCI) | Deaths (number; %; rate)

Seems like they rarely put those aged over 80 in the ICU.

This is also official and interesting


---Not hospitalized | Hospitalized, not in ICU | ICU or Dead

You can see the average ages, 52 / 68/ 75

Here, you can see a comparison (data may be lagging for some countries)


Spain - Italy - Germany - France - UK

Look at "IA ultimos 14 dias", that is the cases per 100.000 habitants over the last 14 days. Spain at 141 cases per 100.

If you look at Germany



21% are over 60; in Spain 48% of cases are over 60

It's actually quite difficult to get numbers of who went to ICU and died and who went to hospital and died.

Only numbers I've been able to find were from Wuhan.

But from these graphs you show it does seem like the elderly are not being put into ICU because their chance if survival is so poor. It's far more humane not to go to ICU, it's such a terrible risk, you either live or you die completely alone. Plus it's a drain on the resources.

I've seen a few posts in here but I think more should be spoken about a good death, it might good timing as a society to talk about it. Could relieve hospital pressure even more.

[bwgood77]

I'm not super rich - but I won't lie I've started glancing at beach condo prices (my wife and I have talked about buying one for a few years).

As grim as it sounds, I've been keeping an eye on the housing market, and looking at Crypto just in case Bitcoin bottoms soon, after printing trillions of dollars out of thin air I have to consider cryptocurrencies in the future.

Not concerned about regular people as yourself. Moreso the corporations buying condos and single family homes and putting them in Real Estate Investment Trust, then just jacking up rents and screwing everyday people.

REITs don't (or if they do, it's very rarely) invest in single homes. It's apartments, commercial buildings, maybe Hotels, etc.

[Dirk]

I've seen a few posts in here but I think more should be spoken about a good death, it might good timing as a society to talk about it. Could relieve hospital pressure even more.

Why I hope to die at 75
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/10/why-i-hope-to-die-at-75/379329/

[bwgood77]

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