3 "minor" trade back scenarios I like

[ShayDee]

Looks like some desire and talent for someone his size, could've settled for a jumper like he usually does. With our culture + Draymond and Stephs influence He would be a great player. Who on the Lakers/Clippers or anyone in the West apart from maybe Gobert would defend that?

[Little Digger]

I hope Wiseman’s got dog in him..I’m just going off one game where a skinny 16 or 17 year old dominated him near the basket ..Makes me question his heart but that’s just one game ..He may still be the one.

[Mylie10]

There’s me and I’m sure most NBA GM’s who wonder “does Wiseman love to compete?”

I know Mobley does..

How are their offensive games compared to each other? It seems Wiseman is further down the development in that end. It shows he is a hard worker and I love me some of those on this team. Mobley just seemed to play with more fire but I think Wiseman is more talented. He just has to develop that alpha mentality

Watch on YouTube

Factor in playing next to Draymond. He brings out the beast. I have dreams of the days of Bogut and Draymond with this kid.

[Mylie10]

I hope Wiseman’s got dog in him..I’m just going off one game where a skinny 16 or 17 year old dominated him near the basket ..Makes me question his heart but that’s just one game ..He may still be the one.

I know you hate KD, but Mobley might come close to that.

And both guys are that age in the video lol.

And do players improve over time? Some do some don’t. But the kid is putting the work in.

[jason bourne]

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James Wiseman was stupid AF quitting on Memphis. He doesn't really have a resume except for HS which isn't that impressive. I think people have been snookered by his height and measurements. Even then, he needs to put on more weight and muscle to play in the NBA. His NBA comp is Hassan Whiteside and Whiteside wasn't that good in the final playoff game vs the Lakers. It will take at least two years for Wiseman to play as a starter if he's worth a high pick.
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Wiseman was stupid for quiting? Where is he going to get $10k in order to come back to Memphis after suspension? His family didn't even have money to move to school, which Penny paid for his moving expenses. NCAA required him to pay back $10k with own money. Cannot use goFundMe either. It was talked about in an ESPN interview with him.

Yes. Wiseman was stupid AF. He would've found a way through borrowing money or trying to get a scholarship if he wanted to continue with Memphis; The young man quit. If not, and he needed money, then he could've played pro overseas.

Both of my kids have gotten scholarships, one to a top Pac10 school and the other to UH school and top grades. Anyway, it isn't an excuse. It's sickening how that is an excuse. What has Wiseman done since the other top picks like LaMelo and Deni Avidja whom I posted? He made a vid without a shirt. All the other players made it to college programs on their own. Otherwise, they went to the pros overseas. I guess you conveniently missed that post I made of LaMelo elsewhere. Deni Avidja was already there like Luka and took advantage of the restart. He deserves top pick consideration.

[Mylie10]

So dumb.

[marthafokker]

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James Wiseman was stupid AF quitting on Memphis. He doesn't really have a resume except for HS which isn't that impressive. I think people have been snookered by his height and measurements. Even then, he needs to put on more weight and muscle to play in the NBA. His NBA comp is Hassan Whiteside and Whiteside wasn't that good in the final playoff game vs the Lakers. It will take at least two years for Wiseman to play as a starter if he's worth a high pick.
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Wiseman was stupid for quiting? Where is he going to get $10k in order to come back to Memphis after suspension? His family didn't even have money to move to school, which Penny paid for his moving expenses. NCAA required him to pay back $10k with own money. Cannot use goFundMe either. It was talked about in an ESPN interview with him.

Be careful, Bourne is dense.

You WIN! Hahaha. He thinks a poor ghetto boy can get a loan.

Even LeBron would have been disqualified by the NCAA "getting a loan" to buy a Hummer in High School with his mom's credit.

[jason bourne]

You WIN! Hahaha. He thinks a poor ghetto boy can get a loan.

Even LeBron would have been disqualified by the NCAA "getting a loan" to buy a Hummer in High School with his mom's credit.

I've already mentioned scholarship haha. LIKE DUH! The NCAA and Memphis would want Wiseman back after serving his suspension. Plus, I gave you other alternatives for Wiseman to take such as going overseas. It appears you are the dense one.

There is one other league that will be coming and that is the NBA's G-League Pro Pathway program. I don't think it's set up yet, so Wiseman could not have participated.

Anyway, my point is made in that Wiseman was stupid AF for not choosing his other options carefully and just deciding to work out by himself in order to get ready for the NBA draft; It did not help anybody. I hope he is passed up by the Warriors and other teams and drops to the late lottery or middle rounds. I think the moron already lost millions.

[jason bourne]

One more article and you can say whatever you want Wiseman fans. LOOK AT WHAT ZION WILLIAMSON DID THE YEAR BEFORE!!! He was S-M-A-R-T!!!

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rayglier/2019/10/29/high-school-stars-rejected-g-league-select-contract/#2e90ebaf6ba8

[GQ Hot Dog]

You WIN! Hahaha. He thinks a poor ghetto boy can get a loan.

Even LeBron would have been disqualified by the NCAA "getting a loan" to buy a Hummer in High School with his mom's credit.

I've already mentioned scholarship haha. LIKE DUH! The NCAA and Memphis would want Wiseman back after serving his suspension. Plus, I gave you other alternatives for Wiseman to take such as going overseas. It appears you are the dense one.

There is one other league that will be coming and that is the NBA's G-League Pro Pathway program. I don't think it's set up yet, so Wiseman could not have participated.

Anyway, my point is made in that Wiseman was stupid AF for not choosing his other options carefully and just deciding to work out by himself in order to get ready for the NBA draft; It did not help anybody. I hope he is passed up by the Warriors and other teams and drops to the late lottery or middle rounds. I think the moron already lost millions.

I don't agree with either of you.

He definitely could have gotten the money to go back to Memphis if his team thought it was for the best. A future NBA first pick overall, which is where he was projected at the time, is worth millions of dollars in earnings, over $20 million guaranteed in his first two seasons alone even if he completely busts. A loan would have been available. That's one of many things lawyers are good for.

He didn't go back and didn't play anywhere else because he was already considered the best or close to the best, prospect in the class and so there was nothing to be gained by playing. Why audition when you already have the role? It ultimately is a smart move because the only thing that could have happened was he gets injured or exposed. When you're at the top in a weak draft, there's nowhere to go but down.

There's something to be said certainly for cementing his status. But Zion probably would have still been the first pick based on his first 3 games with Duke.

I must say it gives me pause and I would pass on him if I were the Warriors but the pressure is entirely on the teams and he's pretty much guaranteed to go top-5 at the very least.

[Mav_Carter]

My favorite trade back scenario is with the Pistons for Kennard, the #7 and the option to swap with the Minny pick next year...Take Haliburton, Vassell, or Williams at 7...

[jason bourne]

You WIN! Hahaha. He thinks a poor ghetto boy can get a loan.

Even LeBron would have been disqualified by the NCAA "getting a loan" to buy a Hummer in High School with his mom's credit.

I've already mentioned scholarship haha. LIKE DUH! The NCAA and Memphis would want Wiseman back after serving his suspension. Plus, I gave you other alternatives for Wiseman to take such as going overseas. It appears you are the dense one.

There is one other league that will be coming and that is the NBA's G-League Pro Pathway program. I don't think it's set up yet, so Wiseman could not have participated.

Anyway, my point is made in that Wiseman was stupid AF for not choosing his other options carefully and just deciding to work out by himself in order to get ready for the NBA draft; It did not help anybody. I hope he is passed up by the Warriors and other teams and drops to the late lottery or middle rounds. I think the moron already lost millions.

I don't agree with either of you.

He definitely could have gotten the money to go back to Memphis if his team thought it was for the best. A future NBA first pick overall, which is where he was projected at the time, is worth millions of dollars in earnings, over $20 million guaranteed in his first two seasons alone even if he completely busts. A loan would have been available. That's one of many things lawyers are good for.

He didn't go back and didn't play anywhere else because he was already considered the best or close to the best, prospect in the class and so there was nothing to be gained by playing. Why audition when you already have the role? It ultimately is a smart move because the only thing that could have happened was he gets injured or exposed. When you're at the top in a weak draft, there's nowhere to go but down.

There's something to be said certainly for cementing his status. But Zion probably would have still been the first pick based on his first 3 games with Duke.

I must say it gives me pause and I would pass on him if I were the Warriors but the pressure is entirely on the teams and he's pretty much guaranteed to go top-5 at the very least.

You're entitled to your opinion, but it's a big RED FLAG of what Wiseman did. I mentioned he lost millions doing for what he did. Other PF/C prospects like Okongwu and Toppin have a college resume for the NBA. Wiseman can't just be the #2 pick because of his measurements and that's what the W's would be basing their selection on. Hello Damian Jones. People compare him to being the next David Robinson, but he can't really shoot that well. The guy who is the next DRob is DeAndre Ayton who worked all year in college. Wiseman is basically a lob dunker or rebound and putback guy. Rebounding should be his best skill. Where are his offensive skills? Doing it against HS players doesn't really count. Thus, he's the top ranked C based on his stupendous height and measurements. Sure, he's a specimen, but he doesn't have b-ball skills. Nor much of an IQ for what he did after he was suspended. I don't blame him for being suspended.

If he's a shot blocking monster in one year of college, then I would be really intrigued but he isn't. He hasn't showed that he could dominate the paint on D. Instead, he was pushed around in the few games we saw him. That's why I compared him to Hassan Whiteside and how he developed. I'd love the Warriors to get a big man and agree they need one. If that's the case, then I rather take a chance on Onyeka Okongwu or Obi Toppin (in that order) and trade down. I hope you agree that big men take longer to develop so it may be 2-3 years down the road. I figure the Warriors can try for Whiteside as he'll be a FA or do some king of S&T using the TPE and a SRP with the Trail Blazers. Even with Whiteside, he looked disappointing against the big Lakers.

This has been one of the biggest problems with a big man for teams. At least, I hope you agree that it will take years for Wiseman to start. He probably is so raw that he may not play backup C.

[TB]

Yes or No to:

Trade back with Detroit so they can get Ball.

Pistons get: 2nd Pick (Ball) and Looney (for contract matching)

Warriors get: 7th Pick (Okongwu), 2022 lotto protected 1st (becomes 2023 top 10 protected, becomes 24 and 25 2nds), Luke Kennard

[vetmin]

Yes or No to:

Trade back with Detroit so they can get Ball.

Pistons get: 2nd Pick (Ball) and Looney (for contract matching)

Warriors get: 7th Pick (Okongwu), 2022 lotto protected 1st (becomes 2023 top 10 protected, becomes 24 and 25 2nds), Luke Kennard

Im cool w something like that if DET lightens the protections. Top 10 protected 2022, Top 3 in 2023. Theyll almost surely be a lotto team in 2022, and may very well be top 10 in 2023. Too likely that we’re left with those 2nds

Edit: now im getting cold feet. I kinda think 2024 unprotected needs to be the endpoint


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[Warriors Analyst]

Yes or No to:

Trade back with Detroit so they can get Ball.

Pistons get: 2nd Pick (Ball) and Looney (for contract matching)

Warriors get: 7th Pick (Okongwu), 2022 lotto protected 1st (becomes 2023 top 10 protected, becomes 24 and 25 2nds), Luke Kennard

I'd do this without Looney and just take Kennard into the TPE. I'd also take Vassell there, although I do like Okongwu.

Curry / Kennard / Poole
Klay / Vassell / Mulder
Wiggins / GRIII / Lee
Green / Paschall / Smiley
Chriss / Baynes / Looney

[TB]

Yes or No to:

Trade back with Detroit so they can get Ball.

Pistons get: 2nd Pick (Ball) and Looney (for contract matching)

Warriors get: 7th Pick (Okongwu), 2022 lotto protected 1st (becomes 2023 top 10 protected, becomes 24 and 25 2nds), Luke Kennard

I'd do this without Looney and just take Kennard into the TPE. I'd also take Vassell there, although I do like Okongwu.

Curry / Kennard / Poole
Klay / Vassell / Mulder
Wiggins / GRIII / Lee
Green / Paschall / Smiley
Chriss / Baynes / Looney

I'd have no problem with the TPE idea as well. Only used the Looney plan with the hope TPE would be used in a separate deal to get another contributor.

[HiRez]

Yeah, wouldn't take top 10 protection dissolving into second rounders, it'd have to be an unprotected FRP the next year, or with decreasing protections for a couple years then unprotected.

[Scoots1994]

Let's figure out a way to get Okongwu and Vassell and have it only cost us the #2 and minor assets

[HiRez]

Let's figure out a way to get Okongwu and Vassell and have it only cost us the #2 and minor assets

That would be amazing if they could pull it off, like those 2 players a lot, somewhat comes down to how desperate other teams are to move up. Not sure the Dubs want to try developing 2 top rookies at the same time though.

In more general terms, it would be good to find a way to get 2 of the top 12-ish players in this draft. Assuming they trade the #2 pick and don't get Wiseman, Edwards, etc., any 2 of Okongwu, Okoro, Vassell, Toppin, Avdija, or Haliburton...maybe Williams, Nesmith...would be pretty satisfying, and gives you a backup for bust potential.

But if I could get let's say 2021 Knicks FRP instead of 1 of those players, I probably do that instead, that's gold.

[Nate the Great]

My only concern: Am I overestimating the value of this #2 pick?

I think you are. Why would NY or Charlotte or Atlanta give up young foundational pieces like Robinson, Graham, or Collins only to draft another guy they need to develop—who is more unproven than the guys they already have, who have already cleared the bar of showing they can at least play in the NBA?

Collins seems like the only foundational piece of the guys mentioned. And a lead guard is far important than a rim running/rim protecting center like Mitchell if the Knicks view Lamelo as a future star. And Charlotte would essentially be trading #3 and their backup PG for their starting PG.

If the best they can get is a one year rental on a power forward who doesn’t defend well, they should probably not bother at all.