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Re: Not all rings are created equal - Lebrons 2 in Miami vs KD 2 in GS
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 1:58 pm
by Lockdown504090
RB34 wrote:One ring to rule them all..
Dirks.
you meant to say hakeem, but dirk still a madman.
Re: Not all rings are created equal - Lebrons 2 in Miami vs KD 2 in GS
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 2:20 pm
by ropjhk
2017 and 2018 Warriors are better than the 2012 and 2013 Miami teams, but there was a greater element of risk with the Miami Heat. Durant's championships were diminished in meaning because the team was already at a champion level when he arrived. Without Lebron the Heat would have just been a regular Eastern conference contender who would have likely lost.
Both set of championships have less legacy building value than your regular championship but the Heat championships provide a little more value for Lebron.
Re: Not all rings are created equal - Lebrons 2 in Miami vs KD 2 in GS
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 2:21 pm
by celticfan42487
They're both dog ****
Re: Not all rings are created equal - Lebrons 2 in Miami vs KD 2 in GS
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 2:46 pm
by bballgod07
Snake cant wear rings...so what ring?
Re: Not all rings are created equal - Lebrons 2 in Miami vs KD 2 in GS
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:05 pm
by zimpy27
Drygon wrote:I agree with you that not all rings are created equal.
KD's 2017 ring is more valuable than all of LeBron's Miami Heat rings going by SRS...


why do people keep trying to use SRS as a measure of anything in the post season?
It is meaningless. May as well take the preseason numbers and use that to rank the playoffs.
Even if the regular season games resembled the post season games then why would a high SRS mean better? Lower SRS would likely indicate more parity in the league, making it harder for any team to overcome another. High SRS in the finals would indicate that both teams could just dance over the graves of their opponents in the playoffs.
Re: Not all rings are created equal - Lebrons 2 in Miami vs KD 2 in GS
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:17 pm
by whitehops
obviously lebron's rings, but i'll give credit where credit is due and durant arguably had a better series than lebron in the 2012 finals, even though his team lost. we often talk about lebron's supporting cast not pulling their weight but in that finals series even durant's insanely efficient volume scoring couldn't overcome all three of westbrook, harden and ibaka's poor scoring.
Re: Not all rings are created equal - Lebrons 2 in Miami vs KD 2 in GS
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:35 pm
by Woodsanity
whitehops wrote:obviously lebron's rings, but i'll give credit where credit is due and durant arguably had a better series than lebron in the 2012 finals, even though his team lost. we often talk about lebron's supporting cast not pulling their weight but in that finals series even durant's insanely efficient volume scoring couldn't overcome all three of westbrook, harden and ibaka's poor scoring.
He had a significantly worse series unless you base things strictly on ppg and ts%.... I remember watching that series and thinking man Durant is getting a lot of points but he didn't seem to be having the impact he should have had.
Kevin wasn't a good defender back then nor a competent passer. He put up a lot of points on good efficiency but he did little else.
Even based strictly on gamescore which isn't a great indicator since it doesn't measure defense.
Lebron: 23.6 gamescore, Durant 20.7. This is because Durant did poorly in other metrics like rebounds and assists.
His defense was mediocre, he got torched badly by Mario Chalmers who had a career game while being guarded by Durant....
Like Chalmers is a legit scrub the only thing I remember about him is his one great game in the Finals where he torched KD.
Re: Not all rings are created equal - Lebrons 2 in Miami vs KD 2 in GS
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:42 pm
by Dino353
When Durant won those 2 rings no one cared. LeBron got his but there was still competition and Wade was 4 seasons removed from his last title. In a way LeBron extended Wade's career and they went 37-45 without him the following season.
Re: Not all rings are created equal - Lebrons 2 in Miami vs KD 2 in GS
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:47 pm
by Dino353
DonaldSanders wrote:Jimmy Recard wrote:Dirk’s ring is worth more than all of them combined
Haha this. I love Dirk and that championship is worth at least 2-3 as "the man" considering his cast and LeBron's.
JordansBulls wrote:They both were bad. I'd say Lebron's worst because in 2010 he was considered the best in the league and he joined Wade a proven champion and a top 2-3 player in the league.. In 2016 KD wasn't considered the best in the league when he left his team.
Yup, I'm OK just equating them though. Both players had the exact same goal when creating/joining their team: making an unbeatable super team. I honestly think LeBron expected to do really crazy stuff that never materialized, e.g. break the regular season wins record, 4-peat, something. Now we sit here and pretend like LeBron wasn't trying to totally break the league -- guess who led to KD being willing to join the GSW?
Wade's #s the season before LeBron:
26.6pts 4.8rb 6.5ast
Bosh's #s the season before LeBron:
24pts 7.9rb 2.4ast
And let us not forget in the FINALS in 2011 when LeBron was playing like garbage Wade averaged 26.5pts 7rb 5.2ast
Wade averaged more points, assists, blocks, steals than Finals MVP Dirk
But Wade was "old" right? Dwayne Wade, a legit #1 option for a championship winning team before LeBron showed up.
Game 4 2011 LeBron scores 8 points and the Heat lose by 3 points. Wade had 32 and Bosh had 24.
Game 6 2011 LeBron was -24 and the Heat lost by 10. Wade was +3, Bosh +4.
I'm a big LeBron fan honestly -- his career has some big highs and lows though. Nothing KD did on the Warriors is even remotely close to the absolute trashcan LeBron's 2011 was. This gets spun away/ignored now as part of the "LeBron learned to win through this" shtick. To me the biggest choke of all time is LeBron's 2011 Finals series, and I'm someone who would have been fine with LeBron winning the Finals MVP in a losing effort in 2015 during the Curry's 1st chip. This alone makes it impossible for LeBron's Heat work to be better than what KD did with the Warriors.
LeBron didn't regain his public love until he started going up against the Warriors in the finals, taking 1 out of 4 as an underdog in every series. KD has the opportunity to do something similar now with the Nets, but it will be tough.
If Wade was so big and bad why did he not carry the Heat 2011? Why did he need LeBron to show up if he was the don-dada? LeBron's role wasn't to take over that series it was Wade. When Durant went to GS there was no question he was the first option.
Re: Not all rings are created equal - Lebrons 2 in Miami vs KD 2 in GS
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:55 pm
by chyau.00
The "goat" joined a top 3 player in the league, brought along the top 3 pf in the league, and a bunch of ex-allstars/hofers with promises of 8championships and struggled to win 2 while regularly disappearing on the biggest stage. They massively underachieved and that alone tells you how worthless those rings were.
KD joined a championship core that won 73 in the previous year, but a team ,that to this day, are still being called "lucky" and won because of fluke. The warriors torched every team they played while KD showed up every single time. They were the best team in the league and rightfully deserves their rings.
Re: Not all rings are created equal - Lebrons 2 in Miami vs KD 2 in GS
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:01 pm
by Lunartic
We all mutually agreed that Durant has 0 (zero) rings and Curry only has 1 ?
We also agreed that Lebron still has 3 (bubble rangs obviously dont count)
Re: Not all rings are created equal - Lebrons 2 in Miami vs KD 2 in GS
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:13 pm
by The4thHorseman
Lalouie wrote:lebron's rings
okc.
okc was the youngest team in the finals since walton's blazers. the nba has historically not been kind to young teams. all teams other than said blazers have had to go through the process, mainly the ring teams getting old or injured.
lebron's other miami ring was bs that not only upset pops but that very same sas team validated how bs that bs ring was by trouncing that very same heat team the following year, 4 - 1!!! lmao
so yeah, BOTH miami rings were weak
i give credit where credit is due vs gsw. could that ever happen again,,,,no, but the cavs did grind it out.
kd is just weak. it's a tie. the milennial teens has been the "70s with flash" with the spurs being the bedrock of reliability
OKC may have been the youngest but they trucked 3 veteran teams ( going 12-3) in route to the Finals.
Swept the defending Champion Mavs in the 1st round. Then beat the Lakers and then the Spurs. OKC had 2 All-NBA players (which included 3x reigning scoring champ KD) the 6moty and All-Defensive first team player who was also the runner-up for DPOY and led the lead in blocks. They showed the league that they belonged in the Finals. Their ages at that time had nothing to do with the outcome of the series. To call it a weak ring due to age is a very weak reason to do so.
Re: Not all rings are created equal - Lebrons 2 in Miami vs KD 2 in GS
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:20 pm
by whitehops
Woodsanity wrote:He had a significantly worse series unless you base things strictly on ppg and ts%.... I remember watching that series and thinking man Durant is getting a lot of points but he didn't seem to be having the impact he should have had.
Kevin wasn't a good defender back then nor a competent passer. He put up a lot of points on good efficiency but he did little else.
Even based strictly on gamescore which isn't a great indicator since it doesn't measure defense.
Lebron: 23.6 gamescore, Durant 20.7. This is because Durant did poorly in other metrics like rebounds and assists.
His defense was mediocre, he got torched badly by Mario Chalmers who had a career game while being guarded by Durant....
Like Chalmers is a legit scrub the only thing I remember about him is his one great game in the Finals where he torched KD.
you're probably right, i just remember KD scoring on lebron at will which like, nobody does. through stretches when the rest of the team was shutting down westbrook/harden/ibaka, KD was keeping the thunder afloat by going 1v1 against lebron and burning him.
really i was trying to piggyback on the thread's idea that not all rings are equal - not all finals MVPs are equal. like you pointed out KD in 2012 might not be the best example but just because you're the finals MVP doesn't mean you're the best player in the series. iggy in 2015 is probably the best example i can think of in recent years.
Re: Not all rings are created equal - Lebrons 2 in Miami vs KD 2 in GS
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:53 pm
by Brofessor24
IMO all rings are equal.
Re: Not all rings are created equal - Lebrons 2 in Miami vs KD 2 in GS
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:08 pm
by bballgod07
Brofessor24 wrote:IMO all rings are equal.
then Robert Horry is better than Jordan, Lebron, and Kobe...
Dont tell me they do other crap...
If they were so good why dont they have the same ring as Horry.
Re: Not all rings are created equal - Lebrons 2 in Miami vs KD 2 in GS
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:21 pm
by NO-KG-AI
LeBron wanted his run to go the same way KD's did when he joined his buddies, lets not get it twisted. Lucky for us and for LeBron's legacy, LeBron sucked at picking teammates that fit, and nobody thought Wade and Bosh would decline as fast as they did, so they ended up being a strong, but not overly stacked contender. It ended up being a fun run, despite people crying gloom and doom when it originally formed.
Re: Not all rings are created equal - Lebrons 2 in Miami vs KD 2 in GS
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:24 pm
by Brofessor24
bballgod07 wrote:Brofessor24 wrote:IMO all rings are equal.
then Robert Horry is better than Jordan, Lebron, and Kobe...
Dont tell me they do other crap...
If they were so good why dont they have the same ring as Horry.
Horry was obviously a role player lol.
Re: Not all rings are created equal - Lebrons 2 in Miami vs KD 2 in GS
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:33 pm
by King4Day
KD was a major reason why GSW won 2, and if he remained healthy, they may have pulled off the 3rd.
LeBron, in Miami won 2, but by a miracle of god (Allen), he got a 2nd.
Re: Not all rings are created equal - Lebrons 2 in Miami vs KD 2 in GS
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:43 pm
by The4thHorseman
NO-KG-AI wrote:LeBron wanted his run to go the same way KD's did when he joined his buddies, lets not get it twisted. Lucky for us and for LeBron's legacy, LeBron sucked at picking teammates that fit, and nobody thought Wade and Bosh would decline as fast as they did, so they ended up being a strong, but not overly stacked contender. It ended up being a fun run, despite people crying gloom and doom when it originally formed.
Which ones did he pick?
Re: Not all rings are created equal - Lebrons 2 in Miami vs KD 2 in GS
Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:47 pm
by The4thHorseman
King4Day wrote:KD was a major reason why GSW won 2, and if he remained healthy, they may have pulled off the 3rd.
LeBron, in Miami won 2, but by a miracle of god (Allen), he got a 2nd.
So it was a
miracle of God that the guy who has made the most 3 point shots in NBA history actually made a 3pt shot???