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The window is closing on Steph, Klay, Dray so I can see giving up future draft picks. The Warriors need to get lucky on Wiseman and Wiggins or it is rebuild time.

I won't count on Klay to be able to defend guards in the future. Curry may need to be hidden on the offensively weaker opposing guard. Be ready for more Curry defending off guards. We already saw this when Klay used to defend point guards..
Warriors need a defender at both point guard and off guard and those defenders have to be able to shoot. It could be 1 guy fast enough to defend point guards and big enough to defend off guards.

Ouubre, Paschall, Wannamaker, Poole, Mulder, Bazemore and draft picks are what we have to offer. (I want to keep Lee) What does that get you?

SinceGatlingWasARookie wrote:The window is closing on Steph, Klay, Dray so I can see giving up future draft picks. The Warriors need to get lucky on Wiseman and Wiggins or it is rebuild time.

I won't count on Klay to be able to defend guards in the future. Curry may need to be hidden on the offensively weaker opposing guard. Be ready for more Curry defending off guards. We already saw this when Klay used to defend point guards..
Warriors need a defender at both point guard and off guard and those defenders have to be able to shoot. It could be 1 guy fast enough to defend point guards and big enough to defend off guards.

Ouubre, Paschall, Wannamaker, Poole, Mulder, Bazemore and draft picks are what we have to offer. (I want to keep Lee) What does that get you?

I personally don't thin anybody is off the table other than Steph and Klay.

HiRez wrote:Then I look forward to all the posts such as "OMG our front line is getting dominated every game!", "We can't get a rebound to save our lives!", "Steph and Klay can't even get a shot because Beal is taking all of them at 5% worse %!", "Out backcourt is so undersized!", "We really need Wiggins' athleticism and defense right now!", "We mortgaged the future for Beal and the cupboard is bare!". etc.

Lol you’ve been way off this entire thread, down to who goes for Beal.. I’m still shook that 59% TS on nearly 40% usage isn’t impressive... what was that?

I definitely remember complaining about how our frontcourt was getting dominated as we ran to the Finals 5 straight years though, can’t deny that..

FNQ wrote:

HiRez wrote:Then I look forward to all the posts such as "OMG our front line is getting dominated every game!", "We can't get a rebound to save our lives!", "Steph and Klay can't even get a shot because Beal is taking all of them at 5% worse %!", "Out backcourt is so undersized!", "We really need Wiggins' athleticism and defense right now!", "We mortgaged the future for Beal and the cupboard is bare!". etc.

Lol you’ve been way off this entire thread, down to who goes for Beal.. I’m still shook that 59% TS on nearly 40% usage isn’t impressive... what was that?

I definitely remember complaining about how our frontcourt was getting dominated as we ran to the Finals 5 straight years though, can’t deny that..

You can dream about getting him for Oubre, but I don't think it's happening. Almost none of the people on the Wizard's board do either. Hey, if they want to do Beal for Oubre + the Minnesota pick + filler, I'd definitely be interested. But I don't think that's realistic.

We want guys like Beal to spread the floor, don't we? Beal is shooting 36.6% from 3. That's not awful, but it's not particularly noteworthy either. It's a little above league average. Last year 35.3%, the year before 35.1%. That's what makes Steph and Klay so special, they hit over 40% from 3 on high volume. We don't need a max player to get 37% on 3s. Now sure, Beal does other things, I get that, and I don't hate him as a player. I just don't think it's worth giving up that much for, not for this team.

Good luck getting him for Oubre + anything the Warriors have to offer.

Woj: Bradley Beal is not going to be in the trade market anytime soon | NBA Countdown

Wojnarowski said if Beal went on the market, Washington could receive a “massive” haul. A lot of potential suitors are hoping the Wizards will finally reach the point of listening to offers.

ILOVEIT wrote:The better deal is Oubre for Redick. We keep all our assets and get a vet shooter that can help space out the floor.
Not as good as Beal for sure...but helps bridge to next season...and he becomes a solid vet back up on a minium deal.

Honestly...I think this is more about solving the absolutely bricking wide open baseline threes as much as anything.

Oubre for Redick. Bob....get it done.

Curry, Redick, Wiggins, Draymond, Wiseman....

The IQ just went up big time...you begin nailing outside open shots....you drastically reduce bonehead turnovers.

And lets remember....all those dunks....are 2 points...nothing more. Those blocks...are OFTEN from behind after he's been beaten. Rarely are they help side blocks.

I'm telling you guys....other than hounding on defense and getting steals and putting in some highlights...Oubre is the poster child for in hyping inefficient low IQ ball.

Redick is old and can’t defend a parked car at this point in his career. May as well sign Korver off the waiver wire for the minimum.


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xdrta+ wrote:Good luck getting him for Oubre + anything the Warriors have to offer.

Woj: Bradley Beal is not going to be in the trade market anytime soon | NBA Countdown

Wojnarowski said if Beal went on the market, Washington could receive a “massive” haul. A lot of potential suitors are hoping the Wizards will finally reach the point of listening to offers.

I keep trying to say this. Beal is likely to be the only superstar on the market and the bidding war for him is going to be insane. Our scraps are not going to get it done. It's going to take all of our valuable assets.

HiRez wrote:We want guys like Beal to spread the floor, don't we? Beal is shooting 36.6% from 3. That's not awful, but it's not particularly noteworthy either. It's a little above league average. Last year 35.3%, the year before 35.1%. That's what makes Steph and Klay so special, they hit over 40% from 3 on high volume. We don't need a max player to get 37% on 3s. Now sure, Beal does other things, I get that, and I don't hate him as a player. I just don't think it's worth giving up that much for, not for this team.

And guys playing with only Curry are getting wide open looks, so much so that career 33.6% 3pt shooter Andrew Wiggins is shooting 40%. Beal is an elite shooter.. back when he played on a team with talent, he was regularly in the 40% range. Efficiency predictably dropped as he became the team's primary ball-handler and is now paired with Westbrook.. I mean if we're going strictly by percentages, Wiggins is a better shooter than Curry the past 2 seasons right?

xdrta+ wrote:Good luck getting him for Oubre + anything the Warriors have to offer.

Woj: Bradley Beal is not going to be in the trade market anytime soon | NBA Countdown

Wojnarowski said if Beal went on the market, Washington could receive a “massive” haul. A lot of potential suitors are hoping the Wizards will finally reach the point of listening to offers.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/261255/Surge-Of-Traded-Picks-Pick-Swaps-Could-Inhibit-Market-For-Next-Superstar-Trade

Quality > Quantity

I wonder who would leak such a thing btw... why would suitors run to Woj to state their intentions? Who would benefit from such a thing? Hmmm

tarantism wrote:

xdrta+ wrote:Good luck getting him for Oubre + anything the Warriors have to offer.

Woj: Bradley Beal is not going to be in the trade market anytime soon | NBA Countdown

Wojnarowski said if Beal went on the market, Washington could receive a “massive” haul. A lot of potential suitors are hoping the Wizards will finally reach the point of listening to offers.

I keep trying to say this. Beal is likely to be the only superstar on the market and the bidding war for him is going to be insane. Our scraps are not going to get it done. It's going to take all of our valuable assets.

So are our pieces to valuable to trade or are they just scraps? Seems more like most other teams have scraps and lotto tickets to offer, while we have a young high potential big man and a likely high FRP in 2021..

Meanwhile the Wiz' GM just spectacularly blew the Wall trade by getting WB and giving up a 1st (he's basically the EC Wolves GM now).. and his version of KAT wants out. I dont think getting a glut of 24/26 1sts is going to help him keep his job. But building around Wiseman and 2 lottery picks in 2021? That's a mighty fast turn around.

Anthony Davis went for a high potential upside guy (Wiseman / Ingram) and a top 5 pick, along with a couple middling talents.. Beal is obviously a tier or 2 below AD, and we check off two of the biggest boxes.. who can match that quality?

If BB was a small forward or even a tall 2 like Klay, I'd be more sympathetic. As it is, I don't really see what we gain if we also give up some combination of Wiseman, and/or Wiggins, and/or the Minnesota pick. That's one suprise ankle roll from sending out W, W, and possibly the pick for nothing. You always take a risk trading for one player, but that guy better fill a niche no lesser-priced player can fill. Durant did for us. LeBron did for Cleveland, the second time. Davis did for LA. I don't think Beal would be that player for us, so for me he's not a bet-the-bank risk.

We’d score 120ppg next season if we had a core of Steph, Beal, Klay, Green, Lee, Bazemore, Paschall and Looney. It’d be pretty fun.

Coxy wrote:We’d score 120ppg next season if we had a core of Steph, Beal, Klay, Green, Lee, Bazemore, Paschall and Looney. It’d be pretty fun.

What do you think that squad would give up on the other end? I just don't like it defensively and the SF/wing position is thin.

whatisacenter wrote:

Coxy wrote:We’d score 120ppg next season if we had a core of Steph, Beal, Klay, Green, Lee, Bazemore, Paschall and Looney. It’d be pretty fun.

What do you think that squad would give up on the other end? I just don't like it defensively and the SF/wing position is thin.

They'd give up nrtjew4893vnrtein590-igretreggt45thrgy429783gh3tn9bi .

You go from there.

Slightly left field but I think it's a huge credit to Beal that he hasn't demanded a trade (even if his wife kinda did )

Respect

Slightly left field but I think it's a huge credit to Beal that he hasn't demanded a trade (even if his wife kinda did )

Respect

edit: I meant to quote a post, which is obvious I suppose.

Oubre is scraps. Poole is scraps. Your proverbial salary ballast would be scraps. Wiseman and the Minny pick are extremely high value assets for a reason. Just throwing them away without second thought is so shortsighted. We'd better be nearly guaranteed a championship if we are going to dump both.

Lots of revisionist history in your post. Both Wall and Westbrook were considered negative assets but at least Westbrook had recently played, and Wall had missed two years. Most pundits thought Washington was going to be much improved with the Beal/Westbrook backcourt.

Anthony Davis forced his way to LA so obviously the value wasn't proportional. Also, Ball was considered a high value prospect at the time, and Hart was also highly regarded.

I don't see any scenario where Beal forces his way here. Why would he? His best buddy in the league is Tatum - and Boston could flip Jaylen Brown. Philadelphia has Ben Simmons to offer - an all-star forward. Denver is hot after Beal and would put MPJ into a trade. Pels can offer Ingram and a top pick. Pheonix could offer Booker.

Teams won't be offering scraps - they will be offering young all-star players and at least a few picks. You talked about the DC GM getting burned on some recent trades - all the more reason to play hard ball. They don't HAVE to trade Beal - he is under contract and hasn't complained at all.

I don't know what the final deal will look like, but it will be closer to the Harden trade than anything else. Personally Wiseman is a non-starter for me, but objectively I really doubt just Wiseman + MIN 1st + scraps gets it done. Washington will want more picks. We are talking about a player in his prime who will likely be coming off the scoring title.

I've come to the conclusion that people advocating mortgaging the team's future in exchange for Bradley Beal aren't actually fans of the team but rather saboteurs come here to foment discord. Seriously, Beal is NOT the missing piece that will magically turn the Warriors into a championship contender this year. For the Warriors, the 2020-2021 season is what former Red Sox GM Theo Epstein famously once referred to as a "bridge year." It's a year to practice patience, get injured players healthy and see how all the existing pieces develop, with an eye towards making a run NEXT SEASON. If you can't see that, then you live in some make believe fantasy land where the sky rains Draymond Green threes and unicorns pee Mountain Dew.

If you can get Beal for Wiggins, the Minny pick, and our pick, maybe Paschall also, then for sure I’d pull the trigger.

discussing a trade for Beal that doesn't include Wiseman and the Minny pick are a waste of time....and then most likely Wiggins, unless the Wizards want an expiring(Oubre), which i doubt, would need to be included to make the salaries work. That would leave a hole at the wing position and make our defense worse this season and would put Klay there next season...not a fan.