TRADES: 3 potential under-the-radar Knicks trades ahead of NBA deadline

[HarthorneWingo]

So why isn’t this “tampering” under the CBA and/tortious interference with an existing contractual agreement?

https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/ny-bradley-beal-20210220-rbtjyykei5frtn6jxlqn7ogvma-story.html

[newyorker4ever]

Lonzo Ball doesn't make sense for this roster imo.

Also, why does it matter that we have Quickley? Thibs is not invested in developing him as an on-ball point guard, not in the short-term at least. He just doesn't trust Quickley to run the offense, not even the second unit.

IMO it should be -- Do anything you can to come out of this draft with one of J.Suggs or C.Cunningham -- because although i do love IQ i think he'd be better for a swing guard role and we'd be better off with a true PG which is also why i have J.Suggs as my top player to get in this draft, cause i also see Cade as more of a swing guard that could start at either guard position to where Suggs is definitely a PG in the NBA.

If we ended up in the late lottery or even outside the lottery then i'd give up quite a bit to be able to trade up for Suggs. Get Suggs and then get a legit shooter to play SG with Barrett at SF and let him play his bully ball with his occasional good shooting. IQ is my 6th man/#1 guard off the bench at either guard spot. I know many want IQ to start, and i'm not against it, but i have my eyes firmly set on getting Suggs and if not Suggs then Cade and then they can play IQ however Thibs wants to.

#SuggsOrCadeOrBust

Highly unlikely we end up with one of Cade or Suggs. I would let go of that fantasy tbh, you're only setting yourself up for disappointment.

No team is gonna trade either away for a low lottery pick. If they even considered it, Quickley would definitely be part of any trade.

I love Suggs's game but there's about a 1% chance that it happens.

Oh i know it's mostly unrealistic but at this point we're at now there is still a small chance we can get into the top 5 with our pick or that Dallas pick just because there's so much season left and you never know what could still happen. I never wish for injuries even to opposing teams players but i'm just saying if Luka got hurt or KP gets hurt again or even if we lose a Randle then one of those two picks could get in the top 5 and then there's always the new lottery odds where you could get huge luck and jump up in the top 5 from the late lottery if those damn ping pong balls can do a 1985 for us again.

[Nbabrothers]

Spoiler:

It's a slow day.

https://www.sny.tv/articles/3-potential-under-the-radar-knicks-trades-ahead-of-nba-deadline

If you’ve been paying attention to the Knicks, you’ve known for a while now that the club feels well positioned to acquire a top player via trade. New York has five first-round picks in the next three drafts and significant cap space. The club also has a few talented young players to include in trades.

The Knicks, as the New York Post reported, are keeping an eye on Bradley Beal and Victor Oladipo. They are also monitoring the situation in Chicago around Zach LaVine.

It’s logical to assume that they have degrees of interest in trading for dozens of players at the moment.

For reasons discussed below, trading for Beal, Oladipo or LaVine seems like a long shot.

But if the Knicks want to upgrade their roster by March 25, there are other players they can target outside of those three.

Below, we take a look at a few young players who can help the Knicks win both this year and beyond (And who wouldn’t cost as much in a trade as Beal, Oladipo or LaVine).

I would try a blockbuster three team trade involving us getting Beal or Rozier plus Andre Drummond.
We don’t trade RJ, Quickley, Randle,Obi and I don’t think anyone wants Roseso we keep him as well.
I WOULD include Noel and/or Mitch.

We would become playoff contenders for the next five years.

[and13]

If we had CJ we'd be obssesed with him. He's one of the most efficient perimeter scorers in the game, great passer for a 2guard, overall a very smart player and underrated defender(not great but above average).
If he's available I'd be aggresive in pursuing him. Imo a game changer.
Value for money better than BB and better overall than Lavine and obviously Vic.

[br7knicks]

Lonzo Ball doesn't make sense for this roster imo.

Also, why does it matter that we have Quickley? Thibs is not invested in developing him as an on-ball point guard, not in the short-term at least. He just doesn't trust Quickley to run the offense, not even the second unit.

On the contrary, Ball makes a ton of sense of this roster.

* He can play on the ball or off the ball. He is becoming an improved shooter after revamping his shot form.

* He is young enough to fit the timeline of our current core pieces. He is the rare facilitator who doesn't need to dominate the ball with a high usage rate to get assists.

* He specialized in the hockey assist and he is more than willing to start the break by throwing it ahead to guys who leak out.

* He is a good defender who generates turnovers and Thibs will value that.

* He has the size to be a versatile defender, covering multiple positions 1-3 and maybe even some small-ball fours. He'd make our lineup very switchable.

* He'd still allow our starters Randle and RJ to still have a high usage, getting reps with the ball in their hands.

Ball / Rose
RJ / IQ
Bullock / Barrett
Randle / Toppin
Mitch / Noel

The best part is, he shouldn't cost us any major assets. A package consisting of Frank (restricted), Payton (expiring - and would get to go home to NOLA so he shouldn't invoke his NTC), Pistons 2021 2nd OR Mavs 2023 1st, likely gets the deal done.

All good points.

He's certainly an upgrade over Payton.

And even though he's the worse possible fit for Zion, he might actually be a good fit for Randle, who doesn't need a pick-and-roll partner but rather someone to kick the ball out to from the post.

So I might pull a 180 on this one.

i don't mind ball, unlike a lot of other people. he's fine, but i dont think ideal given the current roster.


for me, it'd have to be what's leaving in order to get him. i don't think any major draft picks should go. i feel like there are better players out there that can be acquired with draft picks.

if they'd want any of the rental players, that's fine. otherwise, i'd rather the knicks not, again, give up assets when he can be potentially grabbed in the off season, via restricted free agency.

[br7knicks]

i think all 3 of these players and trade scenarios have already been talked about and exhausted a while ago

[br7knicks]

maybe ball would be good next to IQ.

IQ
ball
rj
randle
mitch


would be a really good defensive team. i worry about spacing, though. hopefully RJ improves in that area, ball goes back to improving as well, and mitch can shoot outside of an alley oop.

randle is starting to show range

[NewKnicks]

These NBA streets are talking and reports today indicate the Knicks are monitoring the following:

• Lonzo Ball
• CJ McCollum
• Bradley Beal
• Zach LaVine
• Victor Oladipo
• Buddy Hield
• Terry Rozier

CJ and Lavine are interesting, but would be costly. I think Lonzo can be gotten much cheaper and would be a really key pickup.

Ball is definitely the one I would prioritize. It would elevate this club overnight and give us the PG we need which would set us up to hunt for BPA type of players via draft and free agency.

With Ball we'd have a far more effective offense and we could become one of the dominant defensive teams in the league when Mitch returns.

I'm starting to love the idea of adding Ball, if it doesn't take too much to get him.

I believe you're right in saying it would elevate us immediately. Someone who can always find the open man, and doesn't care how many shots he gets to take each game. Also he's still young and would fit into our plan age-wise.

Let's trade for Lonzo if we can make it work.

[Clyde_Style]

These NBA streets are talking and reports today indicate the Knicks are monitoring the following:

• Lonzo Ball
• CJ McCollum
• Bradley Beal
• Zach LaVine
• Victor Oladipo
• Buddy Hield
• Terry Rozier

CJ and Lavine are interesting, but would be costly. I think Lonzo can be gotten much cheaper and would be a really key pickup.

Ball is definitely the one I would prioritize. It would elevate this club overnight and give us the PG we need which would set us up to hunt for BPA type of players via draft and free agency.

With Ball we'd have a far more effective offense and we could become one of the dominant defensive teams in the league when Mitch returns.

I'm starting to love the idea of adding Ball, if it doesn't take too much to get him.

I believe you're right in saying it would elevate us immediately. Someone who can always find the open man, and doesn't care how many shots he gets to take each game. Also he's still young and would fit into our plan age-wise.

Let's trade for Lonzo if we can make it work.

It's a good fit as long as RJ meshes with him. The rest of them would love to play with him. He's a good player who would make the rest of the team better. Sometimes that's what you need the most. We've been dying for a floor general. He'd fit the bill.

[NewKnicks]

CJ and Lavine are interesting, but would be costly. I think Lonzo can be gotten much cheaper and would be a really key pickup.

Ball is definitely the one I would prioritize. It would elevate this club overnight and give us the PG we need which would set us up to hunt for BPA type of players via draft and free agency.

With Ball we'd have a far more effective offense and we could become one of the dominant defensive teams in the league when Mitch returns.

I'm starting to love the idea of adding Ball, if it doesn't take too much to get him.

I believe you're right in saying it would elevate us immediately. Someone who can always find the open man, and doesn't care how many shots he gets to take each game. Also he's still young and would fit into our plan age-wise.

Let's trade for Lonzo if we can make it work.

It's a good fit as long as RJ meshes with him. The rest of them would love to play with him. He's a good player who would make the rest of the team better. Sometimes that's what you need the most. We've been dying for a floor general. He'd fit the bill.

Yep. I think RJ would benefit tremendously playing alongside ball. I think Ball is the type of player who could elevate RJ's game, because RJ wouldn't need to worry as much about trying to create for himself. I would expect RJ's stat's to increase significantly with Ball here to make his life easier.

Not trying to oversell Ball, but he's the perfect type of player for our current roster. We don't have anyone who plays like he does. Rose, Peyton and IQ are much different players, and can't create like Ball can.

How much do you think it would cost us?

[Clyde_Style]

I'm starting to love the idea of adding Ball, if it doesn't take too much to get him.

I believe you're right in saying it would elevate us immediately. Someone who can always find the open man, and doesn't care how many shots he gets to take each game. Also he's still young and would fit into our plan age-wise.

Let's trade for Lonzo if we can make it work.

It's a good fit as long as RJ meshes with him. The rest of them would love to play with him. He's a good player who would make the rest of the team better. Sometimes that's what you need the most. We've been dying for a floor general. He'd fit the bill.

Yep. I think RJ would benefit tremendously playing alongside ball. I think Ball is the type of player who could elevate RJ's game, because RJ wouldn't need to worry as much about trying to create for himself. I would expect RJ's stat's to increase significantly with Ball here to make his life easier.

Not trying to oversell Ball, but he's the perfect type of player for our current roster. We don't have anyone who plays like he does. Rose, Peyton and IQ are much different players, and can't create like Ball can.

How much do you think it would cost us?

Don't know. Maybe a first and Knox/Frank.

[seren]

Lonzo Ball? 1.2 free throw attemps per game. That is unacceptable from a starting point guard. I'd rather let Frank play.

[moocow007]

Lonzo Ball:

We previously reported that New Orleans was looking for a significant return in any Lonzo Ball trades. The Knicks have the assets to make a Ball trade work. But they have Quickley and Derrick Rose. So is there room for Ball?

The former No. 2 overall pick will be a restricted free agent this summer. So if they like him, the Knicks could make Ball an offer in free agency and sign him without surrendering assets.

Ball is averaging a career-high 14 points with career-highs in field goal percentage and 3-point field goal percentage this season. But pairing him with Barrett could be a risk since neither player has been able to shoot from the perimeter consistently (other players in their final year of their rookie contracts who didn’t sign an extension – such as Chicago’s Lauri Markkanen and Atlanta’s John Collins – are always worth keeping an eye on as the trade deadline approaches).

I believe Ball's a RFA at the end of the year. Considering that he would not be anywhere near max salary range AND that the Pelicans are not likely to want him back trading for his draft rights (which is the main thing this gets them) isn't as critical. So giving up a lot of assets for a guy like Ball would honestly not make a lot of sense IMO. I don't think it moves the needle enough. You can only play so many guys (especially in Thibs rotation) so IF you are going to be trading assets you want to get more quality. They would be better off trying to add a cheap veteran point guard that can make plays for others (something that none of the Knicks point guards can do) to lessen the load on having to rely on Julius Randle to be your defacto PG. Would allow them to better leverage Randle's offense since, barring a ground shaking trade, he's the best at it on this team.

[moocow007]

I'd rather see what we need AFTER the 2021 draft.

Every time the Knicks win a game and drops further out of the lottery the Knicks front office is doing this...



So not sure how much I'd rely on that 2021 draft to be quite honest.

[moocow007]

Unless the Knicks are trading for a top tier talent it really doesn't make sense to give up a lot of assets to get just to get incrementally better.