Christian Wood to Golden State

[JediMasterRevan]

I feel like Wiseman has more value that some of the trades proposed here.

[Resistance]

What is the point of this for GSW?

Some of the deals are absolutely ridiculous. Think it out. Even if, as some have posted, wiseman has no value (spoiler he does) why would GSW trade all their draft assets for Woods?

Does adding Woods to this capped out roster make them any closer to truly contending? No. Maybe they finish top 5-8 but what’s the point? They still lose to the deeper teams and are an injury away from catastrophe.

Woods for Wiseman+13 is probably what GSW would be comfortable with but then the cap comes into play and it falls apart.

Using 2021-22 salary numbers:

James Wiseman............$9,166,800
Christian Wood............$13,666,667

Golden State will be a taxpayer, so...

86. How do simultaneous trades work? How much salary can a team take back in a simultaneous trade?

Taxpaying teams can take back up to 125% of their outgoing salaries, plus $100,000, no matter how much salary the team is sending away. For example, a taxpaying team trading away $10 million in salaries can acquire one or more replacement players making up to $12.6 million.

Taxpaying Teams

Outgoing salary..............Maximum incoming salary
Any............................125% of the outgoing salary, plus $100,000

In a straight swap of Wiseman + #13 for Wood, Golden State is obviously taking back too much salary.


101. When can't a player be traded? Can players be given "no-trade" clauses in their contracts?

In addition, teams cannot trade players under the following circumstances:

* For 30 days after signing as a draft pick. This applies even for later-signed first round picks, who are signed using cap room at least three seasons after they are drafted (see question number 49).

A solution to Golden State taking back too much salary would be to sign the player drafted to a contract and wait 30 days. Then the trade becomes:

Wood ($13,666,667) for Wiseman ($9,166,800) + Newly signed player (~$3.7 million)

[Commodor]

What is the point of this for GSW?

Some of the deals are absolutely ridiculous. Think it out. Even if, as some have posted, wiseman has no value (spoiler he does) why would GSW trade all their draft assets for Woods?

Does adding Woods to this capped out roster make them any closer to truly contending? No. Maybe they finish top 5-8 but what’s the point? They still lose to the deeper teams and are an injury away from catastrophe.

Woods for Wiseman+13 is probably what GSW would be comfortable with but then the cap comes into play and it falls apart.

Using 2021-22 salary numbers:

James Wiseman............$9,166,800
Christian Wood............$13,666,667

Golden State will be a taxpayer, so...

86. How do simultaneous trades work? How much salary can a team take back in a simultaneous trade?

Taxpaying teams can take back up to 125% of their outgoing salaries, plus $100,000, no matter how much salary the team is sending away. For example, a taxpaying team trading away $10 million in salaries can acquire one or more replacement players making up to $12.6 million.

Taxpaying Teams

Outgoing salary..............Maximum incoming salary
Any............................125% of the outgoing salary, plus $100,000

In a straight swap of Wiseman + #13 for Wood, Golden State is obviously taking back too much salary.


101. When can't a player be traded? Can players be given "no-trade" clauses in their contracts?

In addition, teams cannot trade players under the following circumstances:

* For 30 days after signing as a draft pick. This applies even for later-signed first round picks, who are signed using cap room at least three seasons after they are drafted (see question number 49).

A solution to Golden State taking back too much salary would be to sign the player drafted to a contract and wait 30 days. Then the trade becomes:

Wood ($13,666,667) for Wiseman ($9,166,800) + Newly signed player (~$3.7 million)

Hmmm didn't realize it was that close.

Still don't think HOU does #13+whatever salary filler+wiseman for him though.

[sfballa13]

I’m very hesitant about Jerami Grant trades in general due to the circumstances of his signing in Detroit. Denver offered him the same money, but he specifically chose Detroit because (1) he preferred to have a bigger role on a worse team, and (2) he wanted to play for a Black coach and I think even a Black GM. Trading him to GS (or a lot of the teams proposed for him on T&T) essentially just puts him back in the Denver situation that he deliberately chose to leave. Not worth the potential drama, and also I think it’d really hurt the Pistons’ reputation.

I don’t think he signed in Detroit to be the man on a worse team. I think he signed in Detroit simply because they presented him the opportunity that Denver, even at the same money, simply didn’t offer. He wanted a chance to FINALLY have the opportunity to exhibit his lead ball handling and creating skills, and present is fully offensive skills. Even if Denver matched the salary, they weren’t offering him the role.

I do recall he also loved the opportunity to play for a franchise with both a black head coach and GM, though. But I think the opportunity to “prove himself” was the largest motivator.

Yeah, but it's a given that any such opportunity would involve going to a worse team than Denver, most likely a godawful team, which is what happened. He knew/knows as well as anyone that he wouldn't get a chance to prove himself in a bigger role on a team that's greater than or equal to Denver. If he went to Boston, he'd be part of a system built around Tatum and Brown; if he went to the Warriors, he'd be the 4th most important player on the team (i.e., after Steph/Klay/Draymond); if he went to the Jazz, he'd be behind Mitchell and Gobert in the pecking order; etc. etc. etc.

His choice this past offseason was between being a very high-end role player on a possible contender, or betting on himself as a franchise type of guy on whatever team would give him that opportunity, which was 100% guaranteed to be a mediocre-to-bad team (since good teams are good because they already have proven stars, whose ranks he hasn't really risen to yet). He specifically chose the latter route (bigger role, even if team sucks), so when I see these trade scenarios that involve him slotting back into that supporting cast, 3rd- or 4th-option type of role -- usually with a non-Black coach & GM, to boot (even if that was just a secondary motivator) -- it just seems like trading him back to the Denver situation that he deliberately walked away from.

The Pistons would risk becoming completely radioactive to free agents, and the team acquiring Grant would risk bad vibes in the locker room, which is scary if you gave up a lot to acquire him.

While this take may be true, a discussion with Grant and his agent would solve any concerns

Simply be up front and honest with Grant, ask him if he prefers to stay and build something with the Pistons or if he wants a legitimate shot at a title (Denver, while surprising, even with Grant wasnt guaranteed a Finals trip) with Golden State.

Doubt anyone is offering the #4-6 picks for Grant so this is a unique situation where the Pistons could get two top 5 picks to grow with their rookies from this season and Grant gets to go back to contending for a title all while upgrading his living situation from cold Detroit to sunny Cali.

Again it's up to Grant but i can definitely see him wanting to give it a shot and with Curry/Klay not at 100% and Draymond taking a few steps back, Grant would be far more than a 3rd option, in fact i could see him playing a huge role esp before Klay acclimates back to playing condition

[vetmin]

I don’t think he signed in Detroit to be the man on a worse team. I think he signed in Detroit simply because they presented him the opportunity that Denver, even at the same money, simply didn’t offer. He wanted a chance to FINALLY have the opportunity to exhibit his lead ball handling and creating skills, and present is fully offensive skills. Even if Denver matched the salary, they weren’t offering him the role.

I do recall he also loved the opportunity to play for a franchise with both a black head coach and GM, though. But I think the opportunity to “prove himself” was the largest motivator.

Yeah, but it's a given that any such opportunity would involve going to a worse team than Denver, most likely a godawful team, which is what happened. He knew/knows as well as anyone that he wouldn't get a chance to prove himself in a bigger role on a team that's greater than or equal to Denver. If he went to Boston, he'd be part of a system built around Tatum and Brown; if he went to the Warriors, he'd be the 4th most important player on the team (i.e., after Steph/Klay/Draymond); if he went to the Jazz, he'd be behind Mitchell and Gobert in the pecking order; etc. etc. etc.

His choice this past offseason was between being a very high-end role player on a possible contender, or betting on himself as a franchise type of guy on whatever team would give him that opportunity, which was 100% guaranteed to be a mediocre-to-bad team (since good teams are good because they already have proven stars, whose ranks he hasn't really risen to yet). He specifically chose the latter route (bigger role, even if team sucks), so when I see these trade scenarios that involve him slotting back into that supporting cast, 3rd- or 4th-option type of role -- usually with a non-Black coach & GM, to boot (even if that was just a secondary motivator) -- it just seems like trading him back to the Denver situation that he deliberately walked away from.

The Pistons would risk becoming completely radioactive to free agents, and the team acquiring Grant would risk bad vibes in the locker room, which is scary if you gave up a lot to acquire him.

While this take may be true, a discussion with Grant and his agent would solve any concerns

Simply be up front and honest with Grant, ask him if he prefers to stay and build something with the Pistons or if he wants a legitimate shot at a title (Denver, while surprising, even with Grant wasnt guaranteed a Finals trip) with Golden State.

Doubt anyone is offering the #4-6 picks for Grant so this is a unique situation where the Pistons could get two top 5 picks to grow with their rookies from this season and Grant gets to go back to contending for a title all while upgrading his living situation from cold Detroit to sunny Cali.

Again it's up to Grant but i can definitely see him wanting to give it a shot and with Curry/Klay not at 100% and Draymond taking a few steps back, Grant would be far more than a 3rd option, in fact i could see him playing a huge role esp before Klay acclimates back to playing condition

Agreed, and it sounds like my disagreement with Scoot McGroot was ultimately just about what Grant's true motivations / desires were in choosing Detroit over Denver, which I had my assumptions about, but I can't argue against a different interpretation since only Grant himself really knows.

If Detroit did get an offer they liked, the best course of action would be to just go to him with it. I think they'd be wise to tread lightly though, and not let on that they'd rather add Green or Kuminga to their young core than keep Grant around. If Grant chose to be traded, they ought to spin it so that it comes across like "We got a fair offer for Grant, took it to him out of respect for him -- in case he were attracted to the new opportunity -- and indeed he felt it would be a good fit, so we were happy to work with him to make it happen." In other words, the Pistons need to look like they're doing a guy a solid, that if you go there and then your priorities change, you'll be taken care of, as opposed to looking like a franchise that takes a free agent's good will, hopes, and dreams and pumps & dumps him to the highest bidder.

[sfballa13]

Yeah, but it's a given that any such opportunity would involve going to a worse team than Denver, most likely a godawful team, which is what happened. He knew/knows as well as anyone that he wouldn't get a chance to prove himself in a bigger role on a team that's greater than or equal to Denver. If he went to Boston, he'd be part of a system built around Tatum and Brown; if he went to the Warriors, he'd be the 4th most important player on the team (i.e., after Steph/Klay/Draymond); if he went to the Jazz, he'd be behind Mitchell and Gobert in the pecking order; etc. etc. etc.

His choice this past offseason was between being a very high-end role player on a possible contender, or betting on himself as a franchise type of guy on whatever team would give him that opportunity, which was 100% guaranteed to be a mediocre-to-bad team (since good teams are good because they already have proven stars, whose ranks he hasn't really risen to yet). He specifically chose the latter route (bigger role, even if team sucks), so when I see these trade scenarios that involve him slotting back into that supporting cast, 3rd- or 4th-option type of role -- usually with a non-Black coach & GM, to boot (even if that was just a secondary motivator) -- it just seems like trading him back to the Denver situation that he deliberately walked away from.

The Pistons would risk becoming completely radioactive to free agents, and the team acquiring Grant would risk bad vibes in the locker room, which is scary if you gave up a lot to acquire him.

While this take may be true, a discussion with Grant and his agent would solve any concerns

Simply be up front and honest with Grant, ask him if he prefers to stay and build something with the Pistons or if he wants a legitimate shot at a title (Denver, while surprising, even with Grant wasnt guaranteed a Finals trip) with Golden State.

Doubt anyone is offering the #4-6 picks for Grant so this is a unique situation where the Pistons could get two top 5 picks to grow with their rookies from this season and Grant gets to go back to contending for a title all while upgrading his living situation from cold Detroit to sunny Cali.

Again it's up to Grant but i can definitely see him wanting to give it a shot and with Curry/Klay not at 100% and Draymond taking a few steps back, Grant would be far more than a 3rd option, in fact i could see him playing a huge role esp before Klay acclimates back to playing condition

Agreed, and it sounds like my disagreement with Scoot McGroot was ultimately just about what Grant's true motivations / desires were in choosing Detroit over Denver, which I had my assumptions about, but I can't argue against a different interpretation since only Grant himself really knows.

If Detroit did get an offer they liked, the best course of action would be to just go to him with it. I think they'd be wise to tread lightly though, and not let on that they'd rather add Green or Kuminga to their young core than keep Grant around. If Grant chose to be traded, they ought to spin it so that it comes across like "We got a fair offer for Grant, took it to him out of respect for him -- in case he were attracted to the new opportunity -- and indeed he felt it would be a good fit, so we were happy to work with him to make it happen." In other words, the Pistons need to look like they're doing a guy a solid, that if you go there and then your priorities change, you'll be taken care of, as opposed to looking like a franchise that takes a free agent's good will, hopes, and dreams and pumps & dumps him to the highest bidder.

I think despite the franchise being very dysfunctional and mostly a failure under Gores, league perception is Detroit takes care of their players.

Handsomely paid Reggie Jackson, Drummond, Grant.

Agreed to buyouts with nearly our entire roster so they could go chase rings and a new deal on a playoff contender.

New arena, new facilities, somewhat hip/fun coke addict owner - i dont think team loyalty/poor relationships with players is what's stopping free agents from coming to the Pistons.

If the pick hits, especially with Wiseman going down with an injury i think Pistons should go for a trade with Golden State. Doubt the Warriors can find a better win now player than Grant esp with Beal looking less likely to be traded

[Jody Smokz]

You don't trade the #3 pick in the draft during his rookie year for a good role player that just figured it out. Can Wood be counted on for a Finals run? If not than that's not the deal you make. They shouldn't make any moves like that until they know how Klay looks coming off the acl tear.