RS 20/21 - Mavs vs Bucks (9PM EST)

[Bob8]

Its obvious porzingis doesn't enjoy playing with luka and i can see why and why no supporting star would, he's selfish and doesn't take good shots a lot, forces **** and tries to make the spectacular play instead of the simple one, there are multiple pnrs a game between the two where kp is wide open and luka will either keep dribbling or wait til the double team leaves to go one on one instead of just feeding kp asap

KP is wide open only on logo. He basically stays and wait to get the ball and then take long 3 or middle range shot over his defender. He doesn't cut, doesn't roll, doesn't make good screens...7'3 player and his efficiency and shots selection is like he would have been guard/sf. He needs to play great D to be worth max.

May I remind you that player, who is not taking good shots has eFG% 55.5, better than 7'3 Center, which is bizarre.

[Pinkyring]

Its obvious porzingis doesn't enjoy playing with luka and i can see why and why no supporting star would, he's selfish and doesn't take good shots a lot, forces **** and tries to make the spectacular play instead of the simple one, there are multiple pnrs a game between the two where kp is wide open and luka will either keep dribbling or wait til the double team leaves to go one on one instead of just feeding kp asap

KP is wide open only on logo. He basically stays and wait to get the ball and then take long 3 or middle range shot over his defender. He doesn't cut, doesn't roll, doesn't make good screens...7'3 player and his efficiency and shots selection is like he would have been guard/sf. He needs to play great D to be worth max.

He's not the far out but i understand your point, i do wonder is that his choice or Ricks 5 out scheme. that said, his shot selection is a problem as well, especially his drifting face ups, but i always wonder is that his game or does he jack those up because he doesn't know when he will touch the ball again? Its a give and take and it seems they don't enjoy each others shot selection or decision making

[Bob8]

Apparently RC doesn't want 3s from Melli, he made 2 and was immediately benched.

[Pinkyring]

This kp comment says everything

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[Bob8]

Its obvious porzingis doesn't enjoy playing with luka and i can see why and why no supporting star would, he's selfish and doesn't take good shots a lot, forces **** and tries to make the spectacular play instead of the simple one, there are multiple pnrs a game between the two where kp is wide open and luka will either keep dribbling or wait til the double team leaves to go one on one instead of just feeding kp asap

KP is wide open only on logo. He basically stays and wait to get the ball and then take long 3 or middle range shot over his defender. He doesn't cut, doesn't roll, doesn't make good screens...7'3 player and his efficiency and shots selection is like he would have been guard/sf. He needs to play great D to be worth max.

He's not the far out but i understand your point, i do wonder is that his choice or Ricks 5 out scheme. that said, his shot selection is a problem as well, especially his drifting face ups, but i always wonder is that his game or does he jack those up because he doesn't know when he will touch the ball again? Its a give and take and it seems they don't enjoy each others shot selection or decision making

It's hard to argue about someone taking bad shots, if he has better FG%, eFG%, TS%...than 7'3 C. Only bad shot for Luka is FT. I have not problem with how KP is playing offensively, if he's good rim protector in D. Mavs need him there desperately.

[Pinkyring]

KP is wide open only on logo. He basically stays and wait to get the ball and then take long 3 or middle range shot over his defender. He doesn't cut, doesn't roll, doesn't make good screens...7'3 player and his efficiency and shots selection is like he would have been guard/sf. He needs to play great D to be worth max.

He's not the far out but i understand your point, i do wonder is that his choice or Ricks 5 out scheme. that said, his shot selection is a problem as well, especially his drifting face ups, but i always wonder is that his game or does he jack those up because he doesn't know when he will touch the ball again? Its a give and take and it seems they don't enjoy each others shot selection or decision making

It's hard to argue about someone taking bad shots, if he has better FG%, eFG%, TS%...than 7'3 C. Only bad shot for Luka is FT.

If you don't think luka takes 4 or 5 ridiculous shots a game then there isn't much to discuss, ive stated kp does at well but its harder for him to get in rhythm when he doesn't know when he'll touch the ball. That isnt an excuse for him because I dread a lot of his shots, i think this is a Rick thing and he needs to fix it.

[XTraderXL]

Its obvious porzingis doesn't enjoy playing with luka and i can see why and why no supporting star would, he's selfish and doesn't take good shots a lot, forces **** and tries to make the spectacular play instead of the simple one, there are multiple pnrs a game between the two where kp is wide open and luka will either keep dribbling or wait til the double team leaves to go one on one instead of just feeding kp asap

Ah, nonsense.

Those opinions vary from game to a game.
And then there will be games, plenty of them, where everyone apart from Luka will sucks badly and we will win or come close to win only because of he will take matters into his own hands.
Sure, he's not perfect, no one is, and he will have some bad games, some great games, but acting like he's a problem because of some bad (or not even really bad) game every now and then is just, like said ... nonsense.
How many great games KP had this season?
Those guys need to learn to trust to each other however trust don't come out of nowhere, it needs to be earned on the court.

Who said anything about bad games for luka, yes the rockets gsme was a an example but im speaking in general. Every night its all luka all the time and guys have to just sit and wait for him to pass to them, that works for role players, stars will have a problem with it. Main reason ive stressed adding another high level playmaker, this team won't win **** with luka going Houston harden mode.

I think it wouldnt be such an issue if Luka was able to drive easier, rely more on athleticism than on driblling and faking for 15s every possesion just to find an opening. Thats when everyone is just standing around and I get that some players get annoyed, just like fans do. If I was a star, I would definitely think twice if I want to play with him. As a role player Luka is the ideal teammate. You just play defense, take and hit open shots and get paid millions to have little or no pressure on you.

[XTraderXL]

KP is wide open only on logo. He basically stays and wait to get the ball and then take long 3 or middle range shot over his defender. He doesn't cut, doesn't roll, doesn't make good screens...7'3 player and his efficiency and shots selection is like he would have been guard/sf. He needs to play great D to be worth max.

He's not the far out but i understand your point, i do wonder is that his choice or Ricks 5 out scheme. that said, his shot selection is a problem as well, especially his drifting face ups, but i always wonder is that his game or does he jack those up because he doesn't know when he will touch the ball again? Its a give and take and it seems they don't enjoy each others shot selection or decision making

It's hard to argue about someone taking bad shots, if he has better FG%, eFG%, TS%...than 7'3 C. Only bad shot for Luka is FT. I have not problem with how KP is playing offensively, if he's good rim protector in D. Mavs need him there desperately.

You are missing something very important. When KP gets his shots, even if he doesnt hit them, he feels like he is a part of the offense. That elevates him on defense and he is overall more active on offense by cutting and going for offensive rebounds. If he doesnt get shots, he basically stops playing. I am not saying thats ideal but it is what it is at this point. With happy KP the Mavs are a much better team, even if his efficiency is lower than Lukas. His defense is what more than makes up for the difference.

[Bob8]

He's not the far out but i understand your point, i do wonder is that his choice or Ricks 5 out scheme. that said, his shot selection is a problem as well, especially his drifting face ups, but i always wonder is that his game or does he jack those up because he doesn't know when he will touch the ball again? Its a give and take and it seems they don't enjoy each others shot selection or decision making

It's hard to argue about someone taking bad shots, if he has better FG%, eFG%, TS%...than 7'3 C. Only bad shot for Luka is FT.

If you don't think luka takes 4 or 5 ridiculous shots a game then there isn't much to discuss, ive stated kp does at well but its harder for him to get in rhythm when he doesn't know when he'll touch the ball. That isnt an excuse for him because I dread a lot of his shots, i think this is a Rick thing and he needs to fix it.

I don't know what to say but Luka's efficiency, except FT shooting, it's very good for his position and number of points he's averaging. Sure he's shooting some ridiculous shots, but all high volume scores are doing that. Look at Dame, who is considered as elite shooter, he has much lower FG%, lower eFG% and more or less the same 3pts %. Or look at great Curry he has lower FG% than Luka. Luka is elite in shooting this year, so complaining about that is ridiculous. He might share a ball more, but Richardson is useless as Pg.

[Pinkyring]

It's hard to argue about someone taking bad shots, if he has better FG%, eFG%, TS%...than 7'3 C. Only bad shot for Luka is FT.

If you don't think luka takes 4 or 5 ridiculous shots a game then there isn't much to discuss, ive stated kp does at well but its harder for him to get in rhythm when he doesn't know when he'll touch the ball. That isnt an excuse for him because I dread a lot of his shots, i think this is a Rick thing and he needs to fix it.

I don't know what to say but Luka's efficiency, except FT shooting, it's very good for his position and number of points he's averaging. Sure he's shooting some ridiculous shots, but all high volume scores are doing that. Look at Dame, who is considered as elite shooter, he has much lower FG%, lower eFG% and more or less the same 3pts %. Or look at great Curry he has lower FG% than Luka. Luka is elite in shooting this year, so complaining about that is ridiculous. He might share a ball more, but Richardson is useless as Pg.

Just because his efficiency is good doesn't mean he doesn't take bad shots, is that seriously your argument? Anybody who watches this team knows he takes 4 or 5 bad shots a night, he might make 1 but that doesn't negate the obvious. Add the 2 or 3 boneheaded turnovers and that's 6-8 bad possessions a night, doesn't matter a lot in the rs but come playoff time it does.

[Bob8]

He's not the far out but i understand your point, i do wonder is that his choice or Ricks 5 out scheme. that said, his shot selection is a problem as well, especially his drifting face ups, but i always wonder is that his game or does he jack those up because he doesn't know when he will touch the ball again? Its a give and take and it seems they don't enjoy each others shot selection or decision making

It's hard to argue about someone taking bad shots, if he has better FG%, eFG%, TS%...than 7'3 C. Only bad shot for Luka is FT. I have not problem with how KP is playing offensively, if he's good rim protector in D. Mavs need him there desperately.

You are missing something very important. When KP gets his shots, even if he doesnt hit them, he feels like he is a part of the offense. That elevates him on defense and he is overall more active on offense by cutting and going for offensive rebounds. If he doesnt get shots, he basically stops playing. I am not saying thats ideal but it is what it is at this point. With happy KP the Mavs are a much better team, even if his efficiency is lower than Lukas. His defense is what more than makes up for the difference.

KP is averaging 16.5 shots per game. Is that really too little, considering that he's really just waiting for those shots on logo or somewhere in the middle range with defender on his back?
His defense should be his main weapon, but unfortunately he was the worst player there many times.

[Bob8]

If you don't think luka takes 4 or 5 ridiculous shots a game then there isn't much to discuss, ive stated kp does at well but its harder for him to get in rhythm when he doesn't know when he'll touch the ball. That isnt an excuse for him because I dread a lot of his shots, i think this is a Rick thing and he needs to fix it.

I don't know what to say but Luka's efficiency, except FT shooting, it's very good for his position and number of points he's averaging. Sure he's shooting some ridiculous shots, but all high volume scores are doing that. Look at Dame, who is considered as elite shooter, he has much lower FG%, lower eFG% and more or less the same 3pts %. Or look at great Curry he has lower FG% than Luka. Luka is elite in shooting this year, so complaining about that is ridiculous. He might share a ball more, but Richardson is useless as Pg.

Just because his efficiency is good doesn't mean he doesn't take bad shots, is that seriously your argument? Anybody who watches this team knows he takes 4 or 5 bad shots a night, he might make 1 but that doesn't negate the obvious. Add the 2 or 3 boneheaded turnovers and that's 6-8 bad possessions a night, doesn't matter a lot in the rs but come playoff time it does.

48.3 FG % is elite for high scoring guards. Harden with whom you want to compare him was never in career even near that number. Curry was only once over 50%. Do you really believe Luka should be over 50%? He would have been easily over that without those shots, you're just totally unrealistic.

And may I remember you that with this boneheaded
Luka Mavs are one of the best teams in last 2 months.

[Pinkyring]

I don't know what to say but Luka's efficiency, except FT shooting, it's very good for his position and number of points he's averaging. Sure he's shooting some ridiculous shots, but all high volume scores are doing that. Look at Dame, who is considered as elite shooter, he has much lower FG%, lower eFG% and more or less the same 3pts %. Or look at great Curry he has lower FG% than Luka. Luka is elite in shooting this year, so complaining about that is ridiculous. He might share a ball more, but Richardson is useless as Pg.

Just because his efficiency is good doesn't mean he doesn't take bad shots, is that seriously your argument? Anybody who watches this team knows he takes 4 or 5 bad shots a night, he might make 1 but that doesn't negate the obvious. Add the 2 or 3 boneheaded turnovers and that's 6-8 bad possessions a night, doesn't matter a lot in the rs but come playoff time it does.

48.3 FG % is elite for high scoring guards. Harden with whom you want to compare him was never in career even near that number. Curry was only once over 50%. Do you really believe Luka should be over 50%? He would have been easily over that without those shots, you're just totally unrealistic.

And may I remember you that with this boneheaded
Luka Mavs are one of the best teams in last 2 months.

Your argument is so ridiculous i think we're done here, the fact that u use fg% to justify shot selection and 2 months of games to justify turnovers is asinine. U clearly think he's blameless and perfect so we'll stop here.

[Bob8]

Just because his efficiency is good doesn't mean he doesn't take bad shots, is that seriously your argument? Anybody who watches this team knows he takes 4 or 5 bad shots a night, he might make 1 but that doesn't negate the obvious. Add the 2 or 3 boneheaded turnovers and that's 6-8 bad possessions a night, doesn't matter a lot in the rs but come playoff time it does.

48.3 FG % is elite for high scoring guards. Harden with whom you want to compare him was never in career even near that number. Curry was only once over 50%. Do you really believe Luka should be over 50%? He would have been easily over that without those shots, you're just totally unrealistic.

And may I remember you that with this boneheaded
Luka Mavs are one of the best teams in last 2 months.

Your argument is so ridiculous i think we're done here, the fact that u use fg% to justify shot selection and 2 months of games to justify turnovers is asinine. U clearly think he's blameless and perfect so we'll stop here.

Bad shots goes in stats too, so if he's having great shooting %, it means he's not taking that many bad shots or he's making it. You cannot expect from him to have 50/40 season, at least not yet. Team record when Luka is playing, even with Covid problems and KP missing 18 games, is 28/18, which would have been good enough for 5th place in the West. Great scoring with good efficiency and team winning. Could Luka be even better? Sure. Being 22 years old? No. He's 5 years to his prime.

All high usage players have a lot of turnovers. Luka is creating the whole Mavs offense and Mavs are 3rd best in turnovers. I don't see any problems there. Luka is basically making turnovers for others too. Or maybe you want Richardson to run the offense?

[Speadge]

Its obvious porzingis doesn't enjoy playing with luka and i can see why and why no supporting star would, he's selfish and doesn't take good shots a lot, forces **** and tries to make the spectacular play instead of the simple one, there are multiple pnrs a game between the two where kp is wide open and luka will either keep dribbling or wait til the double team leaves to go one on one instead of just feeding kp asap

Ah, nonsense.

Those opinions vary from game to a game.
And then there will be games, plenty of them, where everyone apart from Luka will sucks badly and we will win or come close to win only because of he will take matters into his own hands.
Sure, he's not perfect, no one is, and he will have some bad games, some great games, but acting like he's a problem because of some bad (or not even really bad) game every now and then is just, like said ... nonsense.
How many great games KP had this season?
Those guys need to learn to trust to each other however trust don't come out of nowhere, it needs to be earned on the court.

Who said anything about bad games for luka, yes the rockets gsme was a an example but im speaking in general. Every night its all luka all the time and guys have to just sit and wait for him to pass to them, that works for role players, stars will have a problem with it. Main reason ive stressed adding another high level playmaker, this team won't win **** with luka going Houston harden mode.

Yes, and you're "in general" wrong.
Luka know to play with the others, that was proven numerous times (quick reminder about pre-injury Powell and Luka offense), but it does really not help if you, as a center, stay in the logo waiting for ball, does it?
Yes, there were what ... two last games where KP wasn't so bad and Luka should/could play better in relation to KP but if you understand this as selfishness "in general" I don't know what to say to you? Luka is ballhandler, KP isn't. As simple as that.

Imho. there's something else what bothers you - "every night its all luka all the time" (as you said) - and that's not really health approach as it will be always more your own personal issue and not Luka's.

[Pinkyring]

Ah, nonsense.

Those opinions vary from game to a game.
And then there will be games, plenty of them, where everyone apart from Luka will sucks badly and we will win or come close to win only because of he will take matters into his own hands.
Sure, he's not perfect, no one is, and he will have some bad games, some great games, but acting like he's a problem because of some bad (or not even really bad) game every now and then is just, like said ... nonsense.
How many great games KP had this season?
Those guys need to learn to trust to each other however trust don't come out of nowhere, it needs to be earned on the court.

Who said anything about bad games for luka, yes the rockets gsme was a an example but im speaking in general. Every night its all luka all the time and guys have to just sit and wait for him to pass to them, that works for role players, stars will have a problem with it. Main reason ive stressed adding another high level playmaker, this team won't win **** with luka going Houston harden mode.

Yes, and you're "in general" wrong.
Luka know to play with the others, that was proven numerous times (quick reminder about pre-injury Powell and Luka offense), but it does really not help if you as a center stay in the logo waiting for ball, does it?
Yes, there were what ... two last games where Luka should/could play better in relation to KP but if you understand this as selfishness "in general" I don't know what to say to you? Luka is ballhandler, KP isn't. As simple as that.

Imho. there's something else what bothers you - "every night its all luka all the time" (as you said) - and that's not really health approach as it will be always more your own personal issue and not Luka's.

I have no idea what you're saying or what point you're trying to make so we can end this discussion here. Good day

[Archx]

If you don't think luka takes 4 or 5 ridiculous shots a game then there isn't much to discuss, ive stated kp does at well but its harder for him to get in rhythm when he doesn't know when he'll touch the ball. That isnt an excuse for him because I dread a lot of his shots, i think this is a Rick thing and he needs to fix it.

I don't know what to say but Luka's efficiency, except FT shooting, it's very good for his position and number of points he's averaging. Sure he's shooting some ridiculous shots, but all high volume scores are doing that. Look at Dame, who is considered as elite shooter, he has much lower FG%, lower eFG% and more or less the same 3pts %. Or look at great Curry he has lower FG% than Luka. Luka is elite in shooting this year, so complaining about that is ridiculous. He might share a ball more, but Richardson is useless as Pg.

Just because his efficiency is good doesn't mean he doesn't take bad shots, is that seriously your argument? Anybody who watches this team knows he takes 4 or 5 bad shots a night, he might make 1 but that doesn't negate the obvious. Add the 2 or 3 boneheaded turnovers and that's 6-8 bad possessions a night, doesn't matter a lot in the rs but come playoff time it does.

Every top player takes X number of shots per game. If you're sitting at almost 50 FG%, then you're allowed to take some tough shots, specially if you're the Nr1 option.

Its obvious porzingis doesn't enjoy playing with luka and i can see why and why no supporting star would, he's selfish and doesn't take good shots a lot, forces **** and tries to make the spectacular play instead of the simple one, there are multiple pnrs a game between the two where kp is wide open and luka will either keep dribbling or wait til the double team leaves to go one on one instead of just feeding kp asap

This is Luka for the season, now find me any other Mavs player. Or do you want Mavs to trade everyone and build around Jrich and KP or what?

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Calling Luka selfish is statistically and objectively wrong on so many levels. It's Rick's offensive scheme that allows Luka to do what he does. But it is also KP's job to get himself in to a better shot. You really think Doncic will look for him when he's standing at the logo??? How many times did he signal his teammates to swing the ball around when KP was trying to position himself in the paint? Spoiler alert! Every single time! And take a guess who makes the most entry passes to KP when he tries to go 1v1 close to the basket? Luka is not stupid, he won't look for KP so that he could shoot 15 3's per game. And at the end of the day, this ain't KP's team so i don't know why this is so hard to understand.

KP is 7'3 and has taken 537 total shots so far. Out of those, 206 came from 3pt line. Are you kidding me?

[Pinkyring]

I don't know what to say but Luka's efficiency, except FT shooting, it's very good for his position and number of points he's averaging. Sure he's shooting some ridiculous shots, but all high volume scores are doing that. Look at Dame, who is considered as elite shooter, he has much lower FG%, lower eFG% and more or less the same 3pts %. Or look at great Curry he has lower FG% than Luka. Luka is elite in shooting this year, so complaining about that is ridiculous. He might share a ball more, but Richardson is useless as Pg.

Just because his efficiency is good doesn't mean he doesn't take bad shots, is that seriously your argument? Anybody who watches this team knows he takes 4 or 5 bad shots a night, he might make 1 but that doesn't negate the obvious. Add the 2 or 3 boneheaded turnovers and that's 6-8 bad possessions a night, doesn't matter a lot in the rs but come playoff time it does.

Every top player takes X number of shots per game. If you're sitting at almost 50 FG%, then you're allowed to take some tough shots, specially if you're the Nr1 option.

Its obvious porzingis doesn't enjoy playing with luka and i can see why and why no supporting star would, he's selfish and doesn't take good shots a lot, forces **** and tries to make the spectacular play instead of the simple one, there are multiple pnrs a game between the two where kp is wide open and luka will either keep dribbling or wait til the double team leaves to go one on one instead of just feeding kp asap

This is Luka for the season, now find me any other Mavs player. Or do you want Mavs to trade everyone and build around Jrich and KP or what?

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Calling Luka selfish is statistically and objectively wrong on so many levels. It's Rick's offensive scheme that allows Luka to do what he does. But it is also KP's job to get himself in to a better shot. You really think Doncic will look for him when he's standing at the logo??? How many times did he signal his teammates to swing the ball around when KP was trying to position himself in the paint? Spoiler alert! Every single time! And take a guess who makes the most entry passes to KP when he tries to go 1v1 close to the basket? Luka is not stupid, he won't look for KP so that he could shoot 15 3's per game. And at the end of the day, this ain't KP's team so i don't know why this is so hard to understand.

KP is 7'3 and has taken 537 total shots so far. Out of those 206 came from 3pt line. Are you kidding me?

This isn't a luka vs kp shot selection discussion I've stated kp takes bad shots as well, this is solely about dispute their games fitting like a glove they don't, there's an obvious disconnect that needs to be fixed and with luka being the primary ball handler and "leader" the onus is on him to fix it.

[Speadge]

Who said anything about bad games for luka, yes the rockets gsme was a an example but im speaking in general. Every night its all luka all the time and guys have to just sit and wait for him to pass to them, that works for role players, stars will have a problem with it. Main reason ive stressed adding another high level playmaker, this team won't win **** with luka going Houston harden mode.

Yes, and you're "in general" wrong.
Luka know to play with the others, that was proven numerous times (quick reminder about pre-injury Powell and Luka offense), but it does really not help if you as a center stay in the logo waiting for ball, does it?
Yes, there were what ... two last games where Luka should/could play better in relation to KP but if you understand this as selfishness "in general" I don't know what to say to you? Luka is ballhandler, KP isn't. As simple as that.

Imho. there's something else what bothers you - "every night its all luka all the time" (as you said) - and that's not really health approach as it will be always more your own personal issue and not Luka's.

I have no idea what you're saying or what point you're trying to make so we can end this discussion here. Good day

I appreciate that. It's too painful to read your "in general" fighting with everyone about everything most of the time. Good day.

[Archx]

This isn't a luka vs kp shot selection discussion I've stated kp takes bad shots as well, this is solely about dispute their games fitting like a glove they don't, there's an obvious disconnect that needs to be fixed and with luka being the primary ball handler and "leader" the onus is on him to fix it.

Yeah, we're all aware of that, even Luka and KP are. But you're all over the place with what you're saying. From calling Luka selfish, to taking too many shots and not making anyone involved etc...etc. It's like you just started watching Mavs 3 games ago. I just roughly showed you what kind of carry job Doncic was doing before recently. And for 3 straight seasons you wanted to trade KP, now you want him to be the nr1 guy or what?