The Rest of the USA Draft - Discussion

[Jon_3232]

Damn I couldn’t make up my mind there. The guys I wanted were all PGs which I don’t need right now with Jordan.

[Fadeaway_J]

A considerable amount of punting in that round.

[Colbinii]

Damn I couldn’t make up my mind there. The guys I wanted were all PGs which I don’t need right now with Jordan.

Also there are about 10 point guards left who are all excellent starters in these games.

[Snakebites]

I wanted Reggie so badly.

I do consider prime Ray Allen to be a bit better in a vacuum, but Reggie is an incredible fit and notably cheaper

Thoughts on which Cleveland stint to use for Lebron?

[Colbinii]

I wanted Reggie so badly.

I do consider prime Ray Allen to be a bit better in a vacuum, but Reggie is an incredible fit and notably cheaper.

It is interest when comparing Allen/Butler/Miller. Butler being the best defender by a wide margin but not the shooter of the other 2, Allen and Butler both provide solid playmaking which Miller doesn't but Miller's pedigree in the post-season and as the best pure shooter makes him a better fit in some scenarios.

I thought long and hard about Allen vs Butler after ruling out Miller due to his lack of playmaking next to Kawhi.

I like 2016 or 2017 version personally and could easily argue the level he reached in the 2016 Finals has never been reached by a perimeter player ever.

[Snakebites]

I wanted Reggie so badly.

I do consider prime Ray Allen to be a bit better in a vacuum, but Reggie is an incredible fit and notably cheaper.

It is interest when comparing Allen/Butler/Miller. Butler being the best defender by a wide margin but not the shooter of the other 2, Allen and Butler both provide solid playmaking which Miller doesn't but Miller's pedigree in the post-season and as the best pure shooter makes him a better fit in some scenarios.

I thought long and hard about Allen vs Butler after ruling out Miller due to his lack of playmaking next to Kawhi.

I like 2016 or 2017 version personally and could easily argue the level he reached in the 2016 Finals has never been reached by a perimeter player ever.

Yeah, fit matters a lot too. I think you could have sold Reggie with Raptors Kawhi, especially if you landed the right point guard.

But Jimmy is perfectly defensible. I doubt I'd have given Jimmy much consideration next to Lebron, that's not enough shooting from the wing.

I'd say for Lebron the fits go- 1) Reggie 2) Ray 3) Jimmy.

For Kawhi you could easily argue it's reversed.

As I said, I'm just fine with Ray Allen- it's just a little costlier than I wanted.

2016 is his most impressive playoff run. It's not a super impressive statistical season, but I think that's still the way to go.

[Colbinii]

I wanted Reggie so badly.

I do consider prime Ray Allen to be a bit better in a vacuum, but Reggie is an incredible fit and notably cheaper.

It is interest when comparing Allen/Butler/Miller. Butler being the best defender by a wide margin but not the shooter of the other 2, Allen and Butler both provide solid playmaking which Miller doesn't but Miller's pedigree in the post-season and as the best pure shooter makes him a better fit in some scenarios.

I thought long and hard about Allen vs Butler after ruling out Miller due to his lack of playmaking next to Kawhi.

I like 2016 or 2017 version personally and could easily argue the level he reached in the 2016 Finals has never been reached by a perimeter player ever.

Yeah, fit matters a lot too. I think you could have sold Reggie with Raptors Kawhi, especially if you landed the right point guard.

But Jimmy is perfectly defensible. I doubt I'd have given Jimmy much consideration next to Lebron, that's not enough shooting from the wing.

I'd say for Lebron the fits go- 1) Reggie 2) Ray 3) Jimmy.

For Kawhi you could easily argue it's reversed.

As I said, I'm just fine with Ray Allen- it's just a little costlier than I wanted.

2016 is his most impressive playoff run. It's not a super impressive statistical season, but I think that's still the way to go.

Would you consider 2008?

It is interesting 2008 Pierce is a common choice in these but not so much 2008 Allen.

[Snakebites]

It is interest when comparing Allen/Butler/Miller. Butler being the best defender by a wide margin but not the shooter of the other 2, Allen and Butler both provide solid playmaking which Miller doesn't but Miller's pedigree in the post-season and as the best pure shooter makes him a better fit in some scenarios.

I thought long and hard about Allen vs Butler after ruling out Miller due to his lack of playmaking next to Kawhi.

I like 2016 or 2017 version personally and could easily argue the level he reached in the 2016 Finals has never been reached by a perimeter player ever.

Yeah, fit matters a lot too. I think you could have sold Reggie with Raptors Kawhi, especially if you landed the right point guard.

But Jimmy is perfectly defensible. I doubt I'd have given Jimmy much consideration next to Lebron, that's not enough shooting from the wing.

I'd say for Lebron the fits go- 1) Reggie 2) Ray 3) Jimmy.

For Kawhi you could easily argue it's reversed.

As I said, I'm just fine with Ray Allen- it's just a little costlier than I wanted.

2016 is his most impressive playoff run. It's not a super impressive statistical season, but I think that's still the way to go.

Would you consider 2008?

It is interesting 2008 Pierce is a common choice in these but not so much 2008 Allen.

I'm a big fan of prime 2001 Ray Allen- a much more well rounded offensive player than people give him credit for. He was the best offensive player on the number one ranked offense in the league.

People use 2008 Pierce because prime Pierce is more expensive than Prime Ray, plus 2008 Ray is a couple years older.

I'd consider 2008, but there would have to be something available that makes it worth it. I view the 2 versions as materially different, though 2008 Ray is undeniably valuable as well.

[Snakebites]

I really wish people hadn’t punted.

Stock and Billups both should have been second rounders.

[Dr Positivity]

I really wish people hadn’t punted.

Stock and Billups both should have been second rounders.

I'm ok with Billups falling since it's a deep PG pool, not sure about Stockton though

[Fadeaway_J]

I really wish people hadn’t punted.

Stock and Billups both should have been second rounders.

I'm ok with Billups falling since it's a deep PG pool, not sure about Stockton though

I actually don't think either are huge drops given the level of talent at that position.

There is another guy I'm surprised is still on the board though.

[Snakebites]

Turns out there are 3 things that are certain: death, taxes, and FadeawayJ drafting or wanting to draft Eddie Jones.

I thought about going with EJ but couldn't justify taking him over Ray.

[Colbinii]

I really wish people hadn’t punted.

Stock and Billups both should have been second rounders.

I'm ok with Billups falling since it's a deep PG pool, not sure about Stockton though

I agree with this. I think Stockton was a 2nd Round guy here. I may regret not picking him over Butler but I also feel the wings are shallower than the Point Guard position.

[Fadeaway_J]

Turns out there are 3 things that are certain: death, taxes, and FadeawayJ drafting or wanting to draft Eddie Jones.

I thought about going with EJ but couldn't justify taking him over Ray.

Unfortunately, if I didn't take Eddie it was going to be another honorary member of the All-Fade squad (I had two others in consideration).

But hey, I've got Jokic! That's a different look for me at least.

[Snakebites]

I really wish people hadn’t punted.

Stock and Billups both should have been second rounders.

I'm ok with Billups falling since it's a deep PG pool, not sure about Stockton though

I agree with this. I think Stockton was a 2nd Round guy here. I may regret not picking him over Butler but I also feel the wings are shallower than the Point Guard position.

Fair enough on Chauncey.

I just think that even with the point guard depth that you'd get more out of drafting Stockton or Chauncey than, say, Shane Battier.

[wackbone]

I'm ok with Billups falling since it's a deep PG pool, not sure about Stockton though

I agree with this. I think Stockton was a 2nd Round guy here. I may regret not picking him over Butler but I also feel the wings are shallower than the Point Guard position.

Fair enough on Chauncey.

I just think that even with the point guard depth that you'd get more out of drafting Stockton or Chauncey than, say, Shane Battier.

Probably, but I can say I have about 13 PGs left on my board that I would be comfortable starting which is obviously above the number of drafters in this, and doesn't count the 4 PGs already taken.

[Fadeaway_J]

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[migya]

Definitely pleasantly surprised by the Migya pick. Great pick but thought he would go with someone who typically falls in his wheel house.

I figured that wings are a bit less plentiful here.

[Colbinii]

Wow, I did not expect Giannis to go 3rd... this'll be interesting...

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[damecurry]

Wow, I did not expect Giannis to go 3rd... this'll be interesting...

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sorry for the wait, your turn my friend.