DeMar DeRozan will be an eventual HOF’er

[BlackThought]

Demar won't make it right away but I can see him making it a couple decades down the road. Guys like Mitch Richmond are in the HOF, Demar is very similar career wise.

[MrBigShot]

Fairly decent peak + pretty solid career with a couple all star appearances. Not really HoF worthy.

[XTC]

Derozan by the time he has retired will have scored between 22k-23k in points which firmly places him in the top 40. Everyone in the top 40 is in the hall of fame.

He was the #7 leading scorer in the 2010's

He was the face of an entire country, and lead the WeTheNorth movement.

You're kidding if you think Derozan doesn't get in. He might not get in right away, but similar to Mitch Richmond he will get in.

[a8bil]

Demar won't make it right away but I can see him making it a couple decades down the road. Guys like Mitch Richmond are in the HOF, Demar is very similar career wise.

Richmond played defense. DeRozan's adjusted shooting is abysmal.

[RalphWiggum]

I think DeRozan may turn out to be the HOF barometer player. If you're better than DeRozan you're a HOF player. If you're just below him you'll miss out like I suspect he will.

[Slim Tubby]

If you want to discredit the current Hall of Famers, sure.


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[Johnny Bball]

Not sure what there is seperating Derozan from guys like Antawn Jamison, Joe Johnson, Jamal Crawford, Michael Finley, Jason Terry.

Other guys who scored a bunch of points but their overall basketball impact probably wont be remembered that much. Derozan was high profile on those Toronto teams, but there weren't many seasons where it felt like Derozan really mattered (outside of Toronto). Derozan never was even in the conversation about being a top 10 guy, never had a meaningful playoff moment. I just don't see Derozan in the hall of fame unless you just wanna let every guy that scores 18k points. It's a lot of points. There's about 20 guys who've scored that many and not made the hall. Mitch Richmond got in. I dunno! Derozan might stick it out and be part of the NBA story a bit more and might get himself in the conversation.

He’s already at 18k Ftw… is he retiring tomorrow? And what happens when he scores 23k points by the end?

[cupcakesnake]

Not sure what there is seperating Derozan from guys like Antawn Jamison, Joe Johnson, Jamal Crawford, Michael Finley, Jason Terry.

Other guys who scored a bunch of points but their overall basketball impact probably wont be remembered that much. Derozan was high profile on those Toronto teams, but there weren't many seasons where it felt like Derozan really mattered (outside of Toronto). Derozan never was even in the conversation about being a top 10 guy, never had a meaningful playoff moment. I just don't see Derozan in the hall of fame unless you just wanna let every guy that scores 18k points. It's a lot of points. There's about 20 guys who've scored that many and not made the hall. Mitch Richmond got in. I dunno! Derozan might stick it out and be part of the NBA story a bit more and might get himself in the conversation.

He’s already at 18k Ftw… is he retiring tomorrow? And what happens when he scores 23k points by the end?

He's not at 18k yet but he'll hit and pass that mark early this season sure.
I wasn't saying that's where he'd ended up. I was looking at everyone around Derozan's current level (total points wise) and above, all the way to the top. 23k is certainly in the works for him. We'll see what his scoring output looks like in Chicago and be better able to guess whether Derozan will finish closer to 20k or above. He's 32 and I have no idea how long he'll play. Let's assume he finishes out this contract, wracking up at least 1500 points in each of those seasons, and then has a few more seasons getting under 1000 in his mid-30s (I think that's a generous projection because I don't see why or how Derozan is going to be a useful NBA player in his old age). If that happens he'll probably hit 23k

At that point... pretty much everyone is in the hall of fame or going to get in (Dirk, Wade, Durant, Lebron, probably Vince). But, going down the list of guys who have hit that number and made the hall. They're all better than Derozan. Dan Issel is hard to compare because he was an ABA star. Adrian Dantley feels like the closest, and he is by the numbers a clearly better player that Derozan (interesting comp for Derozan in general).

It will be weird territory. His total points is the best piece of his resume. He pops up on very few other all-time leaderboards (just things related to total points like field goals and free throws) and definitely no advanced stats leaderboards. His 4x all-stars and 2x all-NBA is solid but not sure fire. His playoffs stats are abysmal. Points go a long way though I think in the HoF, but it's also possible Derozan becomes the biggest point getter to not make it in. Chicago being good/relevant would help his story and resume.

[raptorforlife88]

It's interesting how much one or two additional great seasons can completely change a players trajectory.

Start of the year, majority of people in this thread would not give Derozan a chance at the Hall. This year he'll add another all-star appearance and All-NBA appearance and be only 3-400 points short of 20,000.

Given how well he's aging, how infrequently he's been injured, and how little he relies on athleticism to score at this point (mostly excellent footwork), he's probably going to score pretty steadily for a few more years and very reasonably land between 23-24,000 points in his career. Outside shot at getting higher if he sticks around a while.

Everyone in that range is in the HOF. He's got great odds at this point.

[CIN-C-STAR]

Doubt it. BBR has his probability at 6% rn. Just behind Isaiah Thomas…

It's over 20% now and we aren't even at the All Star break

[Dave DaButcher]

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[khufure]

no he will be waived in chicago.

OOPS

[PurpleTrees]

20,000 pts by the end of the season. If Demar averages 2,000 pts per season for the next 4 years (good chance he does as his scoring doesn't rely on athleticism), he will be at 28,000 pts by age 36.

One more fat payday after that gets him 3 to 4 thousand more points from ages 36 to 39.

He'll be a top 10 scorer by the time hes done.

[Betta Bulleavit]

no he will be waived in chicago.

OOPS

Well, the downfall here was taking this poster seriously. You just can’t. Period. Especially when it comes to matters related to the Bulls.

[NZB2323]

DeRozan making the HOF would be a joke, IMO. He made 4 AS appearances because he played in a weak Eastern Conference. He likely would not have sniffed the AS roster had he played in the Western conference all those years. By pretty much every metric he's only slightly better than CJ Mccullom, who has never been voted into the AS game. DeRozan is not and has never been an HOF caliber player.

Was Mitch Richmond a HOF caliber player?

[NZB2323]

Not sure what there is seperating Derozan from guys like Antawn Jamison, Joe Johnson, Jamal Crawford, Michael Finley, Jason Terry.

Other guys who scored a bunch of points but their overall basketball impact probably wont be remembered that much. Derozan was high profile on those Toronto teams, but there weren't many seasons where it felt like Derozan really mattered (outside of Toronto). Derozan never was even in the conversation about being a top 10 guy, never had a meaningful playoff moment. I just don't see Derozan in the hall of fame unless you just wanna let every guy that scores 18k points. It's a lot of points. There's about 20 guys who've scored that many and not made the hall. Mitch Richmond got in. I dunno! Derozan might stick it out and be part of the NBA story a bit more and might get himself in the conversation.

All-stars:

Derozan: 5
Johnson: 7
Jamison: 2
Crawford: 0
Finley: 2
Terry: 0

All-NBAs:

Derozan: 5
Johnson: 1
Jamison: 0
Crawford: 0
Finley: 0
Terry: 0

Points scored:

Derozan: 19,260
Johnson: 20,407
Jamison: 20,042
Crawford: 19,419
Finley: 17,306
Terry: 18,881

In 2016 Demar made the Conference Finals and won 2 games against the Cavs where he had back-to-back 32 point games, and I think that counts as a playoff moment. He's likely to going pass them all in scoring, will likely made an All-NBA team this year, and we'll see what he does for the rest of his career year. He's having a career year right now. Do people expect him to fall off a cliff next season?

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

He currently has 17,500 points. If he finishes with 20,000+ and is top 50 all time in scoring, it makes it hard to keep him off historically.

The baseball world thinks like this, I don't think the basketball world does.

It's not just a predilection toward peak vs longevity, it's also about the fact that basketball numbers are so big that we don't bother to remember them. I mean, can you tell me how many points the scoring leader scored last year? How about in any season? Mostly, we just don't talk about these things.

This isn't to say that people don't pay attention to guys who own career records, but just being somewhere on the list, I'm skeptical. Yes, most of the guys on said list are in the Hall...but I'd venture to say that all of them had specific accomplishments that were seen as more significant than DeRozan does.

IDK, you get a lot of PPGZZ arguments and bottom line is everyone else in the top 50 (once Curry and Derozan pass Jamison and Chambers next year) are in/will be in the hall of fame. DD will finish in Top 30 barring injuries with 3 all-NBA seasons. I don't know how you can leave a guy like him off the list.

ETA: Didn't realize it a bumped thread. Anyways, I dont think he deserves to be in but will get in. Wont water down the HOF because "oh my god he only got in because he scored empty 20k points" Well you basically maybe only let in 5 at most unworthy candidates that could say that. It's not complaining about if he gets in.

[vobot]

I find it amusing when people point out the lack of allstar appearances. Do people really see making the allstar team as a meaningful accolade these days? Every year there is questionable decisions as to who makes the team coupled with the fan voting.

To me the word allstar doesn’t mean much when people throw it around now.

[SalmonsSuperfan]

I find it amusing when people point out the lack of allstar appearances. Do people really see making the allstar team as a meaningful accolade these days? Every year there is questionable decisions as to who makes the team coupled with the fan voting.

To me the word allstar doesn’t mean much when people throw it around now.

are you talking trash about 6-time all star jermaine o'neal?

[Infinite Llamas]

DeRozan making the HOF would be a joke, IMO. He made 4 AS appearances because he played in a weak Eastern Conference. He likely would not have sniffed the AS roster had he played in the Western conference all those years. By pretty much every metric he's only slightly better than CJ Mccullom, who has never been voted into the AS game. DeRozan is not and has never been an HOF caliber player.

Was Mitch Richmond a HOF caliber player?

I feel like Mitch Richmond is the poster child for “anyone getting in” because he played on bad teams and nobody ever saw him in Sacramento. But he was a two way beast. Top 5 at his position for a decade. Five times on the all NBA teams. An absolute sharpshooter. Jordan even said the player he saw the most of himself in was Richmond. He had no flaws on the offensive end. His second best player for years was either Walt Williams or Brian Grant. He is very much a hall of famer. And there shouldn’t be questions asked. And the same is true of DeRozan.