Scottie in his book "Unguarded": MJ & I were never close friends & I was always the better teammate.

[The Box Office]

I've read at least 10 different books on that era, and 2 out of 3 ain't bad:

1: It's obvious Jordan/Pippen aren't close friends by just watching them over the past 30 years
2: Everyone from the era that had something to say about it, said Jordan was a complete dick as a teammate and Scottie was the guy who lifted them up
3: Jordan was a superstar before Pippen even arrived on the team, GTFO.

As for Scottie, I noted before in the Luc documentary thread, he just seems unwell. He looks totally unhinged lately and the death of his oldest son I'm sure is weighing on him heavily. He seems deeply unhappy and in need of help. I also wouldn't be surprised if he has some money troubles too based on some of his decisions. That said, hopefully he's already doing better as most of the stuff like this book and his Luc interview were dated by the time we saw them and could be trailing indicators.

Well said. This was exactly what I was thinking knowing MJ's personality. I wouldn't be shocked if Pippen thought about suicide. We have to combine Pip's troubles with his wife cheating on him with Future and people making fun of Scottie regarding that.

Pip is still a multi-millionaire today, but we all know, money doesn't buy happiness. Or even being content.

[meekrab]

Scottie Pippen has become the personification of a shoulder chip in the last couple years.

[Mk0]

MJ likely had affairs? You think NBA stars today aren't sleeping around?

Hell Lou Will was celebrated because he had 2 girlfriends

Sounds like the thing that bothered him was that people talked like they were just groupies, but those are real relationships and he has kids with both.
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[kyrv]

I've read at least 10 different books on that era, and 2 out of 3 ain't bad:

1: It's obvious Jordan/Pippen aren't close friends by just watching them over the past 30 years
2: Everyone from the era that had something to say about it, said Jordan was a complete dick as a teammate and Scottie was the guy who lifted them up
3: Jordan was a superstar before Pippen even arrived on the team, GTFO.

As for Scottie, I noted before in the Luc documentary thread, he just seems unwell. He looks totally unhinged lately and the death of his oldest son I'm sure is weighing on him heavily. He seems deeply unhappy and in need of help. I also wouldn't be surprised if he has some money troubles too based on some of his decisions. That said, hopefully he's already doing better as most of the stuff like this book and his Luc interview were dated by the time we saw them and could be trailing indicators.

Stole my thunder on the three notes, well put.

IIRC Scottie has at several points reportedly been broke/having money issues. He was a super smart basketball player but like many people seemingly very bad with money.

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This is just random made up speculation but I always thought that them not being besties off the court was probably a good thing, or minimally, not a negative.

[Axl Rose]

The Last Dance really ruffled his feathers. What's crazy is i don't think anyone disagrees with him that The Last Dance was a Michael Jordan vanity piece, making all of this unnecessary really.

[The Explorer]

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[Zucchini]

Poor guy to still be dealing with these self-worth issues. To wait so long, and to specifically do a slam piece on the coattails of another Bulls showcase just seems super petty.

He had the terrible nickname of "No Tippin' Pippin" but you dont see him hellbent on changing that story, only to the rumors and rumbling about whos a great player or not, or who cut in front of him in the cafeteria line, or whatever.

Shut up and sit down, and let some other dudes have their shine. It doesnt have to be all about you all the time, let someone else get some accolades, geez.

[dougthonus]

The Last Dance really ruffled his feathers. What's crazy is i don't think anyone disagrees with him that The Last Dance was a Michael Jordan vanity piece, making all of this unnecessarily really.

For the people that know, I agree, for the people that don't know, this will stand as the "truth" of the era.

[Michael Jackson]

Has anyone tried Digits Whiskey yet? Seems like a whiskey that you would mix with bitters.

[dougthonus]

Has anyone tried Digits Whiskey yet? Seems like a whiskey that you would mix with bitters.

I'm not a whiskey guy, but I think a few people mentioned trying it and it was fine but overpriced for what it was.

[ATRAIN53]

The akwardness of this moment kinda told me all I needed to know about how much they "cherished" each other.

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Most marriages don't last as long as these guys were teammates.
It's not easy to get along with someone daily when you have everything at stake and have to compromise.
I'll take the six titles and they don't have to be BFFFs and an amicable separation.

I will laugh hard if MJ drafts his kid and ruins him. Don't put it past him. Guy NEVER loses.


Scottie is kinda a fool. If he turned on the personality and charm and put in the work on ESPN or TNT, no way he couldn;t become as big as Kenny Smith or Shaq. There is only one Barkley and he molded himself into an icon with his personality and commentary. Didn't happen over night, took chuck time.

Scottie tried and his little stints on the jump are kinda boring. He needs to laugh, smile and tell stories, jokes, and be fun.
He's very monotone and quiet.

Now hes just salty.

[Michael Jackson]

Has anyone tried Digits Whiskey yet? Seems like a whiskey that you would mix with bitters.

I'm not a whiskey guy, but I think a few people mentioned trying it and it was fine but overpriced for what it was.

I was more making a joke about it with the bitters. I am pretty sure it would be an overpriced Bourbon it was selling for $80 initially and I can't imagine it is better than a lot of the small batch bottles in that price range. It likely isn't awful though either.

[dougthonus]

Has anyone tried Digits Whiskey yet? Seems like a whiskey that you would mix with bitters.

I'm not a whiskey guy, but I think a few people mentioned trying it and it was fine but overpriced for what it was.

I was more making a joke about it with the bitters. I am pretty sure it would be an overpriced Bourbon it was selling for $80 initially and I can't imagine it is better than a lot of the small batch bottles in that price range. It likely isn't awful though either.

As a non-whiskey guy, I have to say, I have no idea what bitters are, but at this point I'm too embarrassed to ask

[Michael Jackson]

I'm not a whiskey guy, but I think a few people mentioned trying it and it was fine but overpriced for what it was.

I was more making a joke about it with the bitters. I am pretty sure it would be an overpriced Bourbon it was selling for $80 initially and I can't imagine it is better than a lot of the small batch bottles in that price range. It likely isn't awful though either.

As a non-whiskey guy, I have to say, I have no idea what bitters are, but at this point I'm too embarrassed to ask

They are a bitter cocktail mixer. It is old school European medicine or so I was told as a young man lol. I know them primarily for being used in the "Old Fashioned" which is the traditional whiskey cocktail (predated the Jack and Coke lol)

Bitter just fits Pippen right now and since he is selling Whiskey I couldn't resist the poking of fun at him.

[DASMACKDOWN]

Stephen A Smith on First Take just said that he talked to MJ last night and said MJ and Pip relationship is over.

Basically it was because it was revealed that Pippen never sent condolences on the death of MJ's father on purpose. MJ didnt even think of it but now that he knows, its over with Pip. That what Stephen A said.

Its sad because I to think Pippen is a troubled man that had alot of heartbreaks. He is still hurt by alot of things so it sort of makes sense for him lashing out.

[Michael Jackson]

Stephen A Smith on First Take just said that he talked to MJ last night and said MJ and Pip relationship is over.

Basically it was because it was revealed that Pippen never sent condolences on the death of MJ's father on purpose. MJ didnt even think of it but now that he knows, its over with Pip. That what Stephen A said.

Its sad because I to think Pippen is a troubled man that had alot of heartbreaks. He is still hurt by alot of things so it sort of makes sense for him lashing out.

Sure from Pippen's perspective this all makes sense. That being said I am sure Ted Bundy's actions made sense to him from his perspective. I love Scottie Pippen the player, but this personality issue from him is absolutely nothing new. I really don't mind what he is doing now, but just don't expect empathy from the masses Scottie. Collect your residual income from it but don't think you are winning people over acting like this.

[Michael Jackson]

Artist Gilmore introducing Kukoc was a but of a red flag for me in Pip. I know most recently he publically embarrassed the Bulls with his comments during all star weekend. I think it the Bulls would still have reached out to Pip for that ceremony however.

Just hope he's able to get through. I agree fully that he seems unwell.

Gilmore introducing Kukoc was really sad. Here's a guy who didn't even play with Toni and wouldn't have any close connection.

It sort of makes sense:
- Jordan owns another team and while there's nothing preventing, you understand why he wouldn't.
- Pippen seems completely unhinged and was just separated from the team (I suspect due to his own poor behavior)
- Rodman seems completely unhinged all the time

Still, would have been nice if they could have waited until the Warriors game and gotten Kerr to do it or tried to contact Phil Jackson and see if they could fly him in to do it.

Going to the Utah game I was wondering who would be there. You see who came out for Noah (actually even Toni himself sort of) and I was thinking who would show up. Jordan showed up for the HOF induction and I get why he wasn't there but was kind of hoping he would be. After Pippen called Jackson racist for drawing up a play for Toni, I think we all knew it wouldn't be Scottie. Gilmore was likely the best choice I guess all considered. I mean Pete Meyers could have done it but no one remembers Pete. PJ and Rodman are a no go. Ron Harper? As mentioned that Thibs team though was much closer. In a strange way it might have been more interesting if Noah introduced Toni as his first role as ambassador. The highest level of greatness always has a sacrifice and we see what it is with the Dynasty teams for sure. If we didn't know at the time, I think it is very clear in retrospect that 98 was truly the last dance. Phil was not wrong.

[The Explorer]

Read these excerpts - I can better understand his perspective. Paxson comes off as a jerk to Pippen here. Much of what Eddie Robinson said a while back rings true.

On May 22, 2020, the day after Paxson sent his text, the two of us spoke for a few minutes over the phone. He got right to the point:

“Pip, I hated how things turned out when you came back to Chicago. This organization has always treated you poorly, and I want you to know that I think it’s not right.”

I was glad to hear Paxson admit a wrong I had known forever. Which didn’t mean I was willing to forgive him. If that, indeed, was what he was looking for. It was too late for that.

“John,” I said, “that is all fine and dandy, but you worked in the front office for the Bulls for almost twenty years. You had a chance to change that and you didn’t.”

He began to cry. Not knowing how to respond, I waited for him to stop. Why he was crying, I couldn’t be sure, and honestly, I didn’t care.

Before long, our chat was, mercifully, over.

https://www.gq.com/story/scottie-pippen-unguarded-book-excerpt


Pippen is sour as hell, but I can understand where he's coming from now.

Nothing in those excerpts, even told from Scottie's perspective, made me question the other people in them really. Scottie just came off as an entitled moron to me describing his own situation.

Jordan made a doc about Jordan? You don't say? He got paid for it because he had exclusive control over whether it could be made and owned the footage? Wow, I would have never figured that.

It's the Bulls fault he never got a good job as an assistant or decision maker? Really? You don't think being Scottie F'n Pippen that if you were willing to do the work that everyone else is that you couldn't have landed a job with literally any team in the league? That's unreal. Of course he would have had a job doing anything he wanted if he was willing to put in the hours and was actually good at it. Teams would have been lining up to do that.

He felt humiliated that the Bulls created a job for him where he didn't have to do anything except show up drunk on the sidelines a few times a year? Jeez, someone create such a job for me.

He felt the Bulls did him wrong by giving him a free 10 million bucks to play 23 games at the end of his career?

This man is way too disconnected with the expectations of reality after being a superstar. I'd probably be disconnected too if I were Pippen, but the way he has processed his post NBA career as just failing after failing of everyone around him and how he's been cheated is astonishing.

I don't strongly disagree with you, but I will say why did Paxson admit then that the bulls organization did him dirty? Why did he cry on the phone? And why did Paxson reach out to Pippen only after the doc came out?

[The Explorer]

The news that Pippen never offered condolences to MJ after the death of James Jordan is pretty ugly too. The men spent 5 years together side by side after the murder, not to mention the 25 years after, and to not say anything sort of shows his character.

I see how Pippen is bitter/sour, but I also see that he is a man in pain and seems unwell mentally. He's suffered from a lot of personal trauma.

[TheFinishSniper]

Stephen A Smith on First Take just said that he talked to MJ last night and said MJ and Pip relationship is over.

Basically it was because it was revealed that Pippen never sent condolences on the death of MJ's father on purpose. MJ didnt even think of it but now that he knows, its over with Pip. That what Stephen A said.

Its sad because I to think Pippen is a troubled man that had alot of heartbreaks. He is still hurt by alot of things so it sort of makes sense for him lashing out.

wtf
I stand here with MJ. I hope your book sells well Pip because at the end of day you and your book will be only thing you didnt torch around you.