So what COULD we have gotten for Kyle Lowry?

[will]

Kevin Durant.

[slicedbread2]

No. The cold reality was that teams knew that Lowry was leaving the Raptors and the second he made it known that he wanted a big contract from any team that was interested in trading for him was where things fell off. Only 3 teams were really interested and the following happened:

1) Miami. Their supposed offer was Duncan Robinson+filler. Didn't really make sense and the Heat's season was disrupted by Covid-19 killing any opportunity the team had at developing chemistry. In the end Riley found a cheaper deal in sending a lotto pro. pick swap with the Brooklyn 22 1st+filler to Houston for Victor Oladipo. Dude is still injured and will most likely never be the same, but they got Dipo and Lowry in the end.

2) Lakers. Any chance they had at winning a title began and ended with Anthony Davis staying healthy. The dude got injured against Denver when no one was near him and quite frankly it was for the best as LBJ can no longer win games/series by himself due to Father time. Talen Horton-Tucker seemed like someone the Lakers wanted to keep due to his youth and low cap hit for resigning. Any deal would've involved KCP+Schroeder+THT.

The Raptors were apparently planning to move KCP to Brooklyn for Dinwiddie as KCP's deal expires in 22-23(last year guaranteed for $4.9M). The Nets would've taken it knowing Spencer was gonna opt out and play elsewhere.

3) Philly. Morey was under severe pressure to save money for the 76ers ownership group. He did just that by miraculously emerging relatively unscathed from the Horford trade(cost them a lightly pro. 1st in 25. oh well). I don't think Lowry was gonna stay in Philly as Jimmy Butler would've warned him of the shenanigans that he endured while dealing with ownership.

I honestly thought that the Raptors could've cashed in on Boucher with Lowry+filler and gotten a major haul of picks+prospects+filler. Sadly for the 76ers they would've had to gut a huge part of their team. Danny Green, Mike Scott, Tony Bradley, Vincent Poirier, Terrance Ferguson would've been needed just to match Lowry while they could've used the Al Horford TPE(8.2M) to absorb Bembry+Boucher's deals. In the end Morey and Masai walked away from the table. Plus I don't think Philly ownership wanted to drop a massive luxury tax bill and they chose to minimize costs as shown by their actions.

Honestly they didn't do too bad in the end. Achiuwa is a major project that'll take a while to develop considering he played 12mins/game in 55 games with Miami in his rookie year. If he works out great if not oh well. Dragic can be used as trade filler but will most likely get bought out. In the end Masai wasn't gonna get much and he knew it so he made the best decision in getting Kyle to his preferred spot.

[sogood]

Now I see why the Lakers refused to deal THT.

[bluerap23]

The most legit sources said that the best offer on the table was Duncan Robinson. Miami wasn't offering anything more than that because they thought Oladipo was close to the same value. Lakers were unwilling to include THT. Sixers pulled out because of salary cap concerns.

[EliteSmarts]

Personally wish we kept him here. His leadership and playmaking would’ve helped Scottie so much

I'm happy he's gone for Kyle Lowry sake. Raptors are in rebuild mode and good to see Lowry playing well on contending team. Scottie Barnes has plenty of veterans to learn from in Van Vleet, Siakam and young vets like OG and Gary Trent Jr

[ItsDanger]

You could have let him walk instead of doing a S&T. You're seeing the negative consequences of keeping Dragic on this roster now. I hope there is some exit strategy here because this is a net loss on this trade so far

[bape_lovers]

hell no to the 2 pg starting lineup

Personally wish we kept him here. His leadership and playmaking would’ve helped Scottie so much

[OakleyDokely]

You could have let him walk instead of doing a S&T. You're seeing the negative consequences of keeping Dragic on this roster now. I hope there is some exit strategy here because this is a net loss on this trade so far

What are the negative consequences of having Dragic on the roster? He's been a model citizen so far and he will likely be moved by the deadline.

Dragic was never a key part of the deal. They just needed his salary to make a deal work so they could get Precious.

If you don't like Precious, that's another issue, but the focus on Dragic baffles me. He's an expiring filler contract.

[douggood]

You could have let him walk instead of doing a S&T. You're seeing the negative consequences of keeping Dragic on this roster now. I hope there is some exit strategy here because this is a net loss on this trade so far

What are the negative consequences of having Dragic on the roster? He's been a model citizen so far and he will likely be moved by the deadline.

Dragic was never a key part of the deal. They just needed his salary to make a deal work so they could get Precious.

If you don't like Precious, that's another issue, but the focus on Dragic baffles me. He's an expiring filler contract.

+1

raptors chose birch + achiuwa + dragic over 16 mil cap space. birch signing with mle was only possible by staying over the cap.

looking at the list of ufa who signed for more than mle but less than 16 mil, not many worthy of signings.
rose, mcdormett, olynyk, barton, oubre is basically the list

[kj_]

If we traded him to Miami in the season we still were not getting Tyler Herro. So, would you prefer Duncan Robinson? I would not.

Teams that swung and miss on getting to the Finals regretted not trading for Lowry but the best we were doing was Talen Horton-Tucker and junk from the Lakers. We didn't miss out on a franchise altering player and everything needed to happen the way it did for us to have a season leading us to some luck in the lottery and getting Barnes.

I wish we got KZ Okpala in the deal we made but I am not mad at getting Precious despite his struggles. The kicker is not trading Dragic who has likely tanked his value and is buyout fodder now.

The one part I didn't expect is Raps tanking Dragic's value. I expected us to play him (if not start him) and ship him to the Mavs for a second rounder & TPE like everyone thought. In the limited minutes we did see him this season, it was clear he still has game left so maybe we felt that was enough

I do kind of respect the Raps saying F that noise and prioritizing player development. I've loved watching Banton and these reps are huge for him moving forward beyond this season

You say tanking his value. I say preserving it.

The league knows what he can do. That is established. Playing him won’t increase that. Play the 35 year old and he gets injured…. He becomes unmovable. That would be tanking his value.


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[douggood]

If we traded him to Miami in the season we still were not getting Tyler Herro. So, would you prefer Duncan Robinson? I would not.

Teams that swung and miss on getting to the Finals regretted not trading for Lowry but the best we were doing was Talen Horton-Tucker and junk from the Lakers. We didn't miss out on a franchise altering player and everything needed to happen the way it did for us to have a season leading us to some luck in the lottery and getting Barnes.

I wish we got KZ Okpala in the deal we made but I am not mad at getting Precious despite his struggles. The kicker is not trading Dragic who has likely tanked his value and is buyout fodder now.

The one part I didn't expect is Raps tanking Dragic's value. I expected us to play him (if not start him) and ship him to the Mavs for a second rounder & TPE like everyone thought. In the limited minutes we did see him this season, it was clear he still has game left so maybe we felt that was enough

I do kind of respect the Raps saying F that noise and prioritizing player development. I've loved watching Banton and these reps are huge for him moving forward beyond this season

You say tanking his value. I say preserving it.

The league knows what he can do. That is established. Playing him won’t increase that. Play the 35 year old and he gets injured…. He becomes unmovable. That would be tanking his value.


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agreed; benching dragic isnt hurting his value.
trevor ariza, iggy have been traded last couple of years by the team just telling them to stay home.

[OakleyDokely]

You could have let him walk instead of doing a S&T. You're seeing the negative consequences of keeping Dragic on this roster now. I hope there is some exit strategy here because this is a net loss on this trade so far

What are the negative consequences of having Dragic on the roster? He's been a model citizen so far and he will likely be moved by the deadline.

Dragic was never a key part of the deal. They just needed his salary to make a deal work so they could get Precious.

If you don't like Precious, that's another issue, but the focus on Dragic baffles me. He's an expiring filler contract.

+1

raptors chose birch + achiuwa + dragic over 16 mil cap space. birch signing with mle was only possible by staying over the cap.

looking at the list of ufa who signed for more than mle but less than 16 mil, not many worthy of signings.
rose, mcdormett, olynyk, barton, oubre is basically the list

This trade comes down to whether you like Precious.

If you think Precious will be a long term piece moving forward, it's a good deal.

If you don't think Precious will be a long term piece moving forward, it's not a good deal.

Dragic has absolutely nothing to do with it because he will be gone soon.

[ItsDanger]

You could have let him walk instead of doing a S&T. You're seeing the negative consequences of keeping Dragic on this roster now. I hope there is some exit strategy here because this is a net loss on this trade so far

What are the negative consequences of having Dragic on the roster? He's been a model citizen so far and he will likely be moved by the deadline.

Dragic was never a key part of the deal. They just needed his salary to make a deal work so they could get Precious.

If you don't like Precious, that's another issue, but the focus on Dragic baffles me. He's an expiring filler contract.

Only in the NBA, is keeping an overpaid vet like Dragic considered a smart move. I'd rather use the spot for to gamble on a younger guy.

[OakleyDokely]

You could have let him walk instead of doing a S&T. You're seeing the negative consequences of keeping Dragic on this roster now. I hope there is some exit strategy here because this is a net loss on this trade so far

What are the negative consequences of having Dragic on the roster? He's been a model citizen so far and he will likely be moved by the deadline.

Dragic was never a key part of the deal. They just needed his salary to make a deal work so they could get Precious.

If you don't like Precious, that's another issue, but the focus on Dragic baffles me. He's an expiring filler contract.

Only in the NBA, is keeping an overpaid vet like Dragic considered a smart move. I'd rather use the spot for to gamble on a younger guy.

Dragic has value as a salary filler in a future trade. He also provides roster depth when there are injuries. Every team has players like this.

[ItsDanger]

What are the negative consequences of having Dragic on the roster? He's been a model citizen so far and he will likely be moved by the deadline.

Dragic was never a key part of the deal. They just needed his salary to make a deal work so they could get Precious.

If you don't like Precious, that's another issue, but the focus on Dragic baffles me. He's an expiring filler contract.

Only in the NBA, is keeping an overpaid vet like Dragic considered a smart move. I'd rather use the spot for to gamble on a younger guy.

Dragic has value as a salary filler in a future trade. He also provides roster depth when there are injuries. Every team has players like this.

Only 80% of his salary is left on last yr of deal. Everyone else knows that too. I hope they have something cooking here but opportunity cost is often underrated.

[Johnny Bball]

You could have let him walk instead of doing a S&T. You're seeing the negative consequences of keeping Dragic on this roster now. I hope there is some exit strategy here because this is a net loss on this trade so far

What are the negative consequences of having Dragic on the roster? He's been a model citizen so far and he will likely be moved by the deadline.

Dragic was never a key part of the deal. They just needed his salary to make a deal work so they could get Precious.

If you don't like Precious, that's another issue, but the focus on Dragic baffles me. He's an expiring filler contract.

Only in the NBA, is keeping an overpaid vet like Dragic considered a smart move. I'd rather use the spot for to gamble on a younger guy.

What younger guy? Is there a midseason draft coming up that I missed?

[OakleyDokely]

What are the negative consequences of having Dragic on the roster? He's been a model citizen so far and he will likely be moved by the deadline.

Dragic was never a key part of the deal. They just needed his salary to make a deal work so they could get Precious.

If you don't like Precious, that's another issue, but the focus on Dragic baffles me. He's an expiring filler contract.

Only in the NBA, is keeping an overpaid vet like Dragic considered a smart move. I'd rather use the spot for to gamble on a younger guy.

What younger guy? Is there a midseason draft coming up that I missed?

The young player we can bench instead of Dragic?

[douggood]

You could have let him walk instead of doing a S&T. You're seeing the negative consequences of keeping Dragic on this roster now. I hope there is some exit strategy here because this is a net loss on this trade so far

What are the negative consequences of having Dragic on the roster? He's been a model citizen so far and he will likely be moved by the deadline.

Dragic was never a key part of the deal. They just needed his salary to make a deal work so they could get Precious.

If you don't like Precious, that's another issue, but the focus on Dragic baffles me. He's an expiring filler contract.

Only in the NBA, is keeping an overpaid vet like Dragic considered a smart move. I'd rather use the spot for to gamble on a younger guy.

someone like issac bonga/banton etc? oh wait.
it would be one thing if dragic was playing minutes, but he is not, banton is getting the minutes.

[ItsDanger]

The thread title is "could" not "should". I'd use the spot for a 3rd centre at least. Its stupid to not have a backup for a high injury risk position. Exhibit A is what's occurring right now. I hope this works out but if we get nothing for Dragic, its a loss. And there are plenty of young guys out there to gamble on. This team is likely a .500 at best team, people underrate the competition.

[OakleyDokely]

Only in the NBA, is keeping an overpaid vet like Dragic considered a smart move. I'd rather use the spot for to gamble on a younger guy.

Dragic has value as a salary filler in a future trade. He also provides roster depth when there are injuries. Every team has players like this.

Only 80% of his salary is left on last yr of deal. Everyone else knows that too. I hope they have something cooking here but opportunity cost is often underrated.

Dragic shouldn't be treated as an asset. He isn't one. Maybe he gets the Raps a 2nd rounder or something, maybe he's useful in a bigger trade, but he likely won't be moved for anything meaningful. He was just needed to acquire Precious.