Woj: Bulls and Heat Forfeit Their Earliest 2nd Rnd Pick After Tampering Investigation

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Re: Woj: Bulls and Heat Forfeit Their Earliest 2nd Rnd Pick After Tampering Investigation 

Post#61 » by MartyConlonOnTheRun » Wed Dec 1, 2021 7:04 pm

hoosierdaddy34 wrote:Tampering rules remain the most pointless thing in the NBA. The league doesn’t really want to enforce them because of how pointless they are but in order to appease people that like pointless rules, they just half ass them instead. It’s all just pointless.

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Post#62 » by Capn'O » Wed Dec 1, 2021 7:04 pm

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Does anyone know the answer to this? I can't come up with anything that makes sense.

I assume they just don't pick anybody when their turn comes up. In 2026 and 2028. :lol:


So there are only 58 kids drafted instead of 60? That doesn't feel right at all and I'm surprised the league would do this.

At the same time I'm trying to think of a better answer but I don't know what it is.


There are a ton of post draft FA signings. Everyone will go somewhere.
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Re: Woj: Bulls and Heat Forfeit Their Earliest 2nd Rnd Pick After Tampering Investigation 

Post#63 » by DaeDae » Wed Dec 1, 2021 7:09 pm

I don't agree with this, but only because every team in the league likely does something similar. Considering the crime, though, the punishment is light.
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Post#64 » by Capn'O » Wed Dec 1, 2021 7:11 pm

Catchall wrote:Seems like the Jazz give away 2nd-rd picks every year with a smoked salmon during the holidays.


I would love to receive some of this smoked salmon. My favorite.
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Re: Woj: Bulls and Heat Forfeit Their Earliest 2nd Rnd Pick After Tampering Investigation 

Post#65 » by Marmoset » Wed Dec 1, 2021 7:26 pm

None of Milwaukee, Miami, Chicago should have received any punishment. Plenty of other teams have done the same thing, or worse. (LA Clippers and Kawhi - just one example).

If the NBA really wants to get rid of this they could strongly warn everyone that all future violations will result in forfeiting first rounders and come with huge fines. However, what do you do about cases like Heat/Raptors? Is it tampering if the Heat know Lowry wants to play in Miami, the Raptors know Lowry wants to play in Miami, and you already mapped out most of the details during talks at the trade deadline?
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Re: Woj: Bulls and Heat Forfeit Their Earliest 2nd Rnd Pick After Tampering Investigation 

Post#66 » by randy84 » Wed Dec 1, 2021 7:34 pm

The punishment doesn't make sense. Bucks got the same penalty and didn't sign the guy. Miami and Chicago actually signed their guys.
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Post#67 » by TheFinishSniper » Wed Dec 1, 2021 7:38 pm

randy84 wrote:The punishment doesn't make sense. Bucks got the same penalty and didn't sign the guy. Miami and Chicago actually signed their guys.

And we will continue signing our guys. Because we did nothing wrong. If needed we gonna buy extra 10 spare 2nd rounders from OKC to do that.
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Re: Woj: Bulls and Heat Forfeit Their Earliest 2nd Rnd Pick After Tampering Investigation 

Post#68 » by randy84 » Wed Dec 1, 2021 7:39 pm

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randy84 wrote:The punishment doesn't make sense. Bucks got the same penalty and didn't sign the guy. Miami and Chicago actually signed their guys.

And we will continue signing our guys. Because we did nothing wrong. If needed we gonna buy extra 10 spare 2nd rounders from OKC to do that.

The NBA just said you did. That's the point of this thread.
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Post#69 » by HurricaneKid » Wed Dec 1, 2021 7:41 pm

The league loves that it is as popular as it is during the FA season. But this is an absolute joke. For teams to so flagrantly disregard league rules and receive zero repercussions whatsoever (a 2nd in 7 years? GTFO) for illegally signing the biggest FAs on the market is a huge failure for the league.

No league rules matter whatsoever. Silver is completely toothless.

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Post#70 » by TheFinishSniper » Wed Dec 1, 2021 7:41 pm

randy84 wrote:
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randy84 wrote:The punishment doesn't make sense. Bucks got the same penalty and didn't sign the guy. Miami and Chicago actually signed their guys.

And we will continue signing our guys. Because we did nothing wrong. If needed we gonna buy extra 10 spare 2nd rounders from OKC to do that.

The NBA just said you did. That's the point of this thread.

Well if did something wrong I hope we continue doing it wrong. Leads to having good franchise and good NBA players. Because if NBA found something wrong with what we did punishment wouldnt be $3M dollar fine which is price of 2nd rounder on NBA market is. We got punished because some GM crybaby complained how they couldnt do same what Bulls and 28 teams around league do each year. Next year we will sign player one minute later and everything will be fine.
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Re: Woj: Bulls and Heat Forfeit Their Earliest 2nd Rnd Pick After Tampering Investigation 

Post#71 » by Ugly Duckling » Wed Dec 1, 2021 7:46 pm

2nd rd pick isn't nothing. you guys forget ak turned it into joker?
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Re: Woj: Bulls and Heat Forfeit Their Earliest 2nd Rnd Pick After Tampering Investigation 

Post#72 » by hoosierdaddy34 » Wed Dec 1, 2021 7:53 pm

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hoosierdaddy34 wrote:Tampering rules remain the most pointless thing in the NBA. The league doesn’t really want to enforce them because of how pointless they are but in order to appease people that like pointless rules, they just half ass them instead. It’s all just pointless.

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Re: Woj: Bulls and Heat Forfeit Their Earliest 2nd Rnd Pick After Tampering Investigation 

Post#73 » by HurricaneKid » Wed Dec 1, 2021 7:58 pm

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randy84 wrote:The punishment doesn't make sense. Bucks got the same penalty and didn't sign the guy. Miami and Chicago actually signed their guys.

And we will continue signing our guys. Because we did nothing wrong. If needed we gonna buy extra 10 spare 2nd rounders from OKC to do that.
You negotiated a deal with a FA and completed a S&T for him in the first min of FA? Seems unlikely.

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Post#74 » by Capn'O » Wed Dec 1, 2021 8:01 pm

hoosierdaddy34 wrote:Tampering rules remain the most pointless thing in the NBA. The league doesn’t really want to enforce them because of how pointless they are but in order to appease people that like pointless rules, they just half ass them instead. It’s all just pointless.


We're discussing this on our board:

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=2135535&p=95151828#p95151483

You're correct that no team gains a competitive advantage by having discussions before the signing date. That is, once the season ends meaning all games are finished, the only point to keeping the moratorium on "tampering" is to ensure that the official signing day is an event. As a fan, I think the NBA does this right. It's really exciting to see all these contracts signed at once and it's something I tune in for.

So basically, this is the NBA saying "keep your **** to yourself before the official date" because they recognize what you recognize regarding competitive advantage. None was gained by either Chicago or Miami. Just keep the media thing preserved.
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Post#75 » by HurricaneKid » Wed Dec 1, 2021 8:02 pm

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TheFinishSniper wrote:And we will continue signing our guys. Because we did nothing wrong. If needed we gonna buy extra 10 spare 2nd rounders from OKC to do that.

The NBA just said you did. That's the point of this thread.

Well if did something wrong I hope we continue doing it wrong. Leads to having good franchise and good NBA players. Because if NBA found something wrong with what we did punishment wouldnt be $3M dollar fine which is price of 2nd rounder on NBA market is. We got punished because some GM crybaby complained how they couldnt do same what Bulls and 28 teams around league do each year. Next year we will sign player one minute later and everything will be fine.
That's the point. You got caught flagrantly breaking the rules in acquiring a HoFer and the consequence of which was to fine you 1% of his illegally completed contract.

Starting now there are no rules. Because they can't actually penalize teams moving forward with this joke of a precedent established.

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Re: Woj: Bulls and Heat Forfeit Their Earliest 2nd Rnd Pick After Tampering Investigation 

Post#76 » by JoeyMorgan619 » Wed Dec 1, 2021 8:04 pm

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That Heat with the most "we could care less" statement. All this tampering stuff is a joke.


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Re: Woj: Bulls and Heat Forfeit Their Earliest 2nd Rnd Pick After Tampering Investigation 

Post#77 » by TheFinishSniper » Wed Dec 1, 2021 8:05 pm

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randy84 wrote:The punishment doesn't make sense. Bucks got the same penalty and didn't sign the guy. Miami and Chicago actually signed their guys.

And we will continue signing our guys. Because we did nothing wrong. If needed we gonna buy extra 10 spare 2nd rounders from OKC to do that.
You negotiated a deal with a FA and completed a S&T for him in the first min of FA? Seems unlikely.

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Bulls were in trade discussion with Pelicans for Ball during season close to trade deadline. Wouldnt be suprised if during those talks as they couldnt reach a deal they already made preliminary discussion and agreement for deal in summer. And same goes for Heat with Lowry as they wanted to trade for him during season.

Great statement by Heat.
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Re: Woj: Bulls and Heat Forfeit Their Earliest 2nd Rnd Pick After Tampering Investigation 

Post#78 » by HurricaneKid » Wed Dec 1, 2021 8:11 pm

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hoosierdaddy34 wrote:Tampering rules remain the most pointless thing in the NBA. The league doesn’t really want to enforce them because of how pointless they are but in order to appease people that like pointless rules, they just half ass them instead. It’s all just pointless.


We're discussing this on our board:

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=2135535&p=95151828#p95151483

You're correct that no team gains a competitive advantage by having discussions before the signing date. That is, once the season ends meaning all games are finished, the only point to keeping the moratorium on "tampering" is to ensure that the official signing day is an event. As a fan, I think the NBA does this right. It's really exciting to see all these contracts signed at once and it's something I tune in for.

So basically, this is the NBA saying "keep your **** to yourself before the official date" because they recognize what you recognize regarding competitive advantage. None was gained by either Chicago or Miami. Just keep the media thing preserved.
To be clear, it's more of a league accounting thing. The league doesn't know revenues of the previous year until the end of the league's fiscal year. Which means they don't know what the cap will be for the upcoming season. If you don't know the cap how can you sign FAs?

So yeah, the league wants their spectacle but you can't agree to deals before you know what you can spend and that's what's happening. Everyone got it until all the teams over the cap starting completing intricate transactions during the time where they are forbidden from doing so.

This is the league's front office saying "do it, just stop doing it publicly". The only thing that is going to happen is that Shams et al won't be allowed to report it immediately.

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Re: Woj: Bulls and Heat Forfeit Their Earliest 2nd Rnd Pick After Tampering Investigation 

Post#79 » by grimlock » Wed Dec 1, 2021 8:17 pm

Riley will just tell the 2nd rounder they want to draft to withdraw, and they'll just sign them with another wink wink deal
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Post#80 » by J_T » Wed Dec 1, 2021 8:20 pm

Are they allowed to trade 40th pick for 60th pick?

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