Freddy All Star getting a lot of publicity ( The void with KOC)

TRik · Post #61 » by **TRik** » Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:13 pm

ItsDanger wrote:Jose Calderon would rack up assists and with low turnovers. Keep hyping dump offs as great playmaking is absurd. Many posters just want him off ball primarily in the offense.

He would be a deadly corner option. If he can’t create the pace he can definitely create the space.

Ref_from_hell · Post #62 » by **Ref_from_hell** » Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:36 pm

ItsDanger wrote:Jose Calderon would rack up assists and with low turnovers. Keep hyping dump offs as great playmaking is absurd. Many posters just want him off ball primarily in the offense.

This is a truly embarrassing take. First to compare a guy like Fred who brings all the intangibles and contributes to winning to a guy like José who didn't play defense. I loved José as a teammate and player but he had many deficiencies. Also to suggest it was nothing but dump offs LOL

Maybe watch the game next time?

Badonkadonk · Post #63 » by **Badonkadonk** » Sun Jan 23, 2022 10:37 pm

dkb965 wrote:
Johnny Bball wrote:
ItsDanger wrote:Jose Calderon would rack up assists and with low turnovers. Keep hyping dump offs as great playmaking is absurd. Many posters just want him off ball primarily in the offense.

Now try and compare their defence and see how it goes for you.

VanVleet is a good defender, but people seem to ignore the fact that he gets abused by bigger guards all of the time.

How so, exactly? Fred is elite at digging. It's hilarious watching him get credit for blocks on would-be-steals that he simply intercepts as the guy he's defending gathers or goes to make a move.

He's not just a good defender, he's arguably the best defender at PG in the league.

ItsDanger · Post #64 » by **ItsDanger** » Sun Jan 23, 2022 11:25 pm

Ref_from_hell wrote:
ItsDanger wrote:Jose Calderon would rack up assists and with low turnovers. Keep hyping dump offs as great playmaking is absurd. Many posters just want him off ball primarily in the offense.

This is a truly embarrassing take. First to compare a guy like Fred who brings all the intangibles and contributes to winning to a guy like José who didn't play defense. I loved José as a teammate and player but he had many deficiencies. Also to suggest it was nothing but dump offs LOL

Maybe watch the game next time?

I'm watching right now. Jacking up shots. Not creating anything.

Madhouse · Post #65 » by **Madhouse** » Mon Jan 24, 2022 12:06 am

Fred is shooting like 30% in the last 10 games or so. It's pathetic.

LBJKB24MJ23 · Post #66 » by **LBJKB24MJ23** » Mon Jan 24, 2022 12:15 am

fatigue is a huge factor. we need FVV fresh for the second half. not making the all-star game could be a blessing in disguise tbh.

Masai needs to get bench help to play behind FVV.

GreatWhiteStiff · Post #67 » by **GreatWhiteStiff** » Mon Jan 24, 2022 1:05 am

Ref_from_hell wrote:
ItsDanger wrote:Jose Calderon would rack up assists and with low turnovers. Keep hyping dump offs as great playmaking is absurd. Many posters just want him off ball primarily in the offense.

This is a truly embarrassing take. First to compare a guy like Fred who brings all the intangibles and contributes to winning to a guy like José who didn't play defense. I loved José as a teammate and player but he had many deficiencies. Also to suggest it was nothing but dump offs LOL

Maybe watch the game next time?

I think we did have a top 5 offence one year that featured bargs/bosh/jose/ummm others. So Jose couldn't have been that bad. Super efficient at least.

tonyyeung2010 · Post #68 » by **tonyyeung2010** » Mon Jan 24, 2022 1:27 am

He will be looking for max money and is time to trade him.

dgr81 · Post #69 » by **dgr81** » Mon Jan 24, 2022 1:45 am

i just voted for fraudy all star and you all should too

LoveMyRaps · Post #70 » by **LoveMyRaps** » Mon Jan 24, 2022 1:46 am

dgr81 wrote:i just voted for fraudy all star and you all should too

Fraudy All Star loool

ItsDanger · Post #71 » by **ItsDanger** » Mon Jan 24, 2022 2:13 am

Fred has to takes fewer shots. No way a player like him should have a 24% usage . Will he change before his player option ? I doubt it.

Boogie! · Post #72 » by **Boogie!** » Mon Jan 24, 2022 2:19 am

LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:fatigue is a huge factor. we need FVV fresh for the second half. not making the all-star game could be a blessing in disguise tbh.

Masai needs to get bench help to play behind FVV.

Number one. It doesn't matter who we have. Fvv is playinf 40 mins. That's just nurse.

Number 2 the second half doesn't matter. The only thing we should be doing is tanking the second jalf. This team is not it. The second second should be about developing the bench, young pkayeez like flynn banton and Barnes and trying new things. This team is doing jack ****.

pingpongrac · Post #73 » by **pingpongrac** » Mon Jan 24, 2022 3:52 am

Madhouse wrote:Fred is shooting like 30% in the last 10 games or so. It's pathetic.

Player A: 23.0 PTS (37/37/85), 4.0 REB, 7.7 AST, 2.1 TOV, 2.1 STL
Player B: 20.1 PTS (35/28/89), 5.3 REB, 7.0 AST, 2.6 TOV, 1.2 STL

Both are players coming off a hot shooting streak and currently slumping. Guess who they are?

Spoiler:

WaltFrazier · Post #74 » by **WaltFrazier** » Mon Jan 24, 2022 3:59 am

LBJKB24MJ23 wrote:fatigue is a huge factor. we need FVV fresh for the second half. not making the all-star game could be a blessing in disguise tbh.

Masai needs to get bench help to play behind FVV.

The only way to get him fresh is to get a backup for him. Or else a starting big PG who'd allow Fred to play SG regularly.

LiSTWithLani · Post #75 » by **LiSTWithLani** » Tue Jan 25, 2022 12:54 am

pingpongrac wrote:
Madhouse wrote:Fred is shooting like 30% in the last 10 games or so. It's pathetic.
Player A: 23.0 PTS (37/37/85), 4.0 REB, 7.7 AST, 2.1 TOV, 2.1 STL
Player B: 20.1 PTS (35/28/89), 5.3 REB, 7.0 AST, 2.6 TOV, 1.2 STL

Both are players coming off a hot shooting streak and currently slumping. Guess who they are?

Spoiler:
Player A is FVV and player B is Curry. FVV is averaging 19.6 FGA in 40 MPG while Curry is averaging 18.8 FGA in 35 MPG. Shooters go hot and cold. They shouldn't just suddenly stop shooting.

Not going to lie, didn't see that one coming.

mdenny · Post #76 » by **mdenny** » Tue Jan 25, 2022 1:11 am

Fred and siakam were our only good players against portland. Fred's defense was incredible in the second half. I don't know how to explain his awareness of knowing when to double-team and when to stunt. Think ir has something to do with something fred has said alot: (paraphrasing) "i do the same thing that i hate being done to me"

Sometimes i watch his D and say "no fred ypu're on the wrong side of him"....but it turns out he's on the RIGHT side. Maybe it has something to do qith knowing who's more ambidextrous than who. I don't think lowry's defense was ever at the level that fred is at this year. Last year i wasnt sure. This year i am. Fred is officially a better defender than lowry has ever been.

Fred had 6 stocks against portland. I'm curious how many actual turnovers he caused. But i don't wanna go back and watch that game again lol. Likely more than 10. Could be more than 12. The only reason he doesn't get credit for his ACTUAL TOs caused is because the methods by which the league keeps track of them is seriously out-dated.

Samson folk pointed something out with his post game analysis and he has a very good point. There were a couple times where the raps cut the portland lead to 4 and 6 and 7 where they should have stopped pressing. It was stupid to continue doing that after within striking distance and portland was fielding multiple ball handlers. There was enough time to revert to their defensive sets.

Ref_from_hell · Post #77 » by **Ref_from_hell** » Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:14 am

lstern wrote:
pingpongrac wrote:
Madhouse wrote:Fred is shooting like 30% in the last 10 games or so. It's pathetic.
Player A: 23.0 PTS (37/37/85), 4.0 REB, 7.7 AST, 2.1 TOV, 2.1 STL
Player B: 20.1 PTS (35/28/89), 5.3 REB, 7.0 AST, 2.6 TOV, 1.2 STL

Both are players coming off a hot shooting streak and currently slumping. Guess who they are?

Spoiler:
Player A is FVV and player B is Curry. FVV is averaging 19.6 FGA in 40 MPG while Curry is averaging 18.8 FGA in 35 MPG. Shooters go hot and cold. They shouldn't just suddenly stop shooting.

Not going to lie, didn't see that one coming.

I wonder if warriors fans are actively trashing steph over on their message board

rocky_da_best · Post #78 » by **rocky_da_best** » Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:20 am

Ref_from_hell wrote:
lstern wrote:
pingpongrac wrote:Player A: 23.0 PTS (37/37/85), 4.0 REB, 7.7 AST, 2.1 TOV, 2.1 STL
Player B: 20.1 PTS (35/28/89), 5.3 REB, 7.0 AST, 2.6 TOV, 1.2 STL

Both are players coming off a hot shooting streak and currently slumping. Guess who they are?

Spoiler:
Player A is FVV and player B is Curry. FVV is averaging 19.6 FGA in 40 MPG while Curry is averaging 18.8 FGA in 35 MPG. Shooters go hot and cold. They shouldn't just suddenly stop shooting.

Not going to lie, didn't see that one coming.

I wonder if warriors fans are actively trashing steph over on their message board

They probably aren't but if steph was a raptor, you bet your ass half this board would be :lol:

Ref_from_hell · Post #79 » by **Ref_from_hell** » Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:20 am

Darius Garland tonight: 6/19, 1/6 from three, six turnovers.

pingpongrac · Post #80 » by **pingpongrac** » Tue Jan 25, 2022 2:30 am

Ref_from_hell wrote:Darius Garland tonight: 6/19, 1/6 from three, six turnovers.

He did hit a clutch three and have 12 assists to be fair. Hmmm, actually sounds a lot like FVV's game against the Wizards -- except with worse percentages, less points, less defensive plays and more turnovers. Remember all of the FVV bashing throughout the game thread and post-game thread? I bet Cavs fans aren't calling Garland names like "Turdland" or "Trashland" though.