LAL1947 wrote:G R E Y wrote:LAL1947 wrote:Porzingis for Poetl + Vassell + Thad Young?
PG: Murray/Jones
SG: White/Walker
SF: Keldon/Keita Bates
PF: McDermott/Zollins
CE: Porzingis/Landale
Why would we do that? We have more depth with Jakob and Devin, both are on great contracts and we rank 9th in PPG so scoring isn't the issue, whereas Zinger isn't known as a quality defender.
I'm thinking a versatile big like Porzingis could open up the floor and create more opportunity for Murray, White, Keldon, Primo, etc to shine... instead of a roll-and-cut guy like Poeltl. As far as defense goes, their DBPM and DWS are exactly the same but Porzingis has a better DRTG. Poeltl does collect more rebounds (offensive, not defensive).
So Porzingis offers:
- Floor-spacing (5 3PA vs 0 3PA).
- Better FT (87% vs 46%).
- Better Defensive Rating (104 vs 109 points allowed per 100 plays).
- 4 less Turnovers per 100 plays.
Basically, is Poeltl the limiting factor for the growth of the rest of the Spurs squad
[urlhttps://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?player_id2=poeltja01&p1yrfrom=2022&player_id1=porzikr01&p2yrfrom=2022&sum=0&request=1]Porzingis vs Poeltl 2021-22 Comparison[/url]
I mean Pop has a longer history with Cs and bigs who don't stretch the floor than with ones who do.
Yes Jakob doesn't stretch the floor in terms of 3s, but he's often at the top of the arc either screening, passing or giving DHOs. Plus he does screen and pop it's just a lot closer than the arc obviously. It's still an effective pop-a-shot set up by all the times he does roll.
Of course Zinger is a far more polished O player. And yes the FT% is indefensible (though January through to Feb I think Jakob is over 50% - still, everyone agrees this is a very weird negative outlier).
But despite these, he's doubled every major category in terms of statistical improvement in his first full year as starter, and is frankly our second most improved and important player after Dejounte. We have a poor record without Jakob in the lineup.
The stats you provide also have to do with who each player is surrounded by. We don't really have a true PF. Doug McBuckets plays the role, and he has been a PF the last couple of years, but was a SF for most of his career. Jakob often ends up having to play two positions defensively and he's excellent at it. He's mobile, great blocker and rim protector, screen assist provider, and rebounder. Also terrific in finishing at the rim, P&R, pick and pop.
Each of the players you mention are already having career years. And we just got Collins back who provides the D, rim protection and floor spacing looks that we don't have with Jakob at a far more reasonable contract than Zinger's.
Also, and this is just a personal thing, Zinger's past with beating the crap out of his GF then paying for facial reconstructive surgery of whatever it was really rubs me the wrong way. I know it has nothing to do with anything, they worked it out between them apparently, and we even tried to trade for him despite all of these details (maybe they came out after, I don't recall) but it's a huge turn off, and if it came out after we tried to trade for him, perhaps PATFO feels like they dodged one. Just goes against the type of guys we usually have in the locker room. Again, talent wins out and usually a good locker room can absorb a couple of guys who aren't of the boy scout end of the mold, but still, it's just more of a personal bias...
To sum up, Jakob has expanded his game, and despite limitations, he's very important to what we do going forward. He and Devin are part of the young group - not that nobody is untradable; in fact, the reported price for Jakob is a quality young player and a first round pick - but unless we get that back, I think we'd rather not invest so much more money for some upgrades.
Zinger hasn't really shown he's the main go-to guy anywhere he's been so that's also a factor (as are his injury and stamina history).
Also, I hope we get something back for Thad separate from including our young guys for a floor stretching big on a huge contract.
Basically, this deal helps the Mavs way more than it does us. Plus PATFO are said to love Devin so it would shock me if we traded him at this point.
Just an overall no, but good sharing ideas with you.
Right state, wrong city. Finney-Smith plays for the Mavs.
I still cant believe we couldn't have gotten at least something for him when everyone was short players with covid two months ago.