Porzingis + 2nd round pick for Dinwiddie, Bertans

80sballboy · Post #61 » by **80sballboy** » Fri Feb 11, 2022 4:42 am

Dat2U wrote:
djsunyc wrote:you will need to load manage porzingis. he is made of glass. that's the only way this could possibly work.

Yep, cap him at 28-30 minutes. You gotta good backup C in Gafford and a decent starting PF in Kuz, KP shouldn't be getting 36- 40 minutes. Maybe rest him on certain back to backs as well. Get 65 games out of him, thats a win

You forgot who is coaching him. Man is so regimented with rotations and starters. And I know they were showcasing Bryant, but I wonder how much Wes really likes Gafford. Agree that they should be careful with him, but I don't trust that this coaching staff will do the right thing.

80sballboy · Post #62 » by **80sballboy** » Fri Feb 11, 2022 4:49 am

Trying to listen to all the podcasts, some biased and unbiased observations. Listening to Simmons and Big Wos. They are hammering Dallas for the trade. "Injury concerns of course. Can't even finish playoffs series. But (KP) better on defense this year. Not throwing his body around as he did in New York. Not as many lobs. More of a patron than a chef." They moved him for hypotheticals. KP was asked whether he would use a charity to give money for every block, he declined because he didn't figure he'd be around in Dallas that long.

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9 and 20 · Post #63 » by **9 and 20** » Fri Feb 11, 2022 10:34 am

Wes compared who to what now??? Let's not get carried away my dude, ha.

Glad this trade was made. The Nets are garbage right now, but they would have beaten us by 30 like everyone else had they still had the boat anchors on the roster.

Half credit because these were all guys that Tommy himself brought in, but still, job well done in getting rid of them. Ian Mahinmi rode out his whole 15 year contract here.

Post #64 » by **Ruzious** » Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:22 am

spaceman_E wrote:Incredible deal. In related news, wtf is Dallas doing

They have a long thread on the trade in the Dallas forum - they were so perplexed for the most part - I feel bad for them. Their management has done such a poor job of building around Doncic.

Post #65 » by **Ruzious** » Fri Feb 11, 2022 11:25 am

Kanyewest wrote:28% 3 point shooting is well below average for a stretch big but hopefully he can improve upon that with the Wizards.

I think that's what made him tradable. If he was at his usual 35%, he'd be having a good season.

9 and 20 · Post #66 » by **9 and 20** » Fri Feb 11, 2022 12:20 pm

I have my doubts about the Wizards medical team, the same one who turned Beal's 2-game sprained wrist into wrist surgery and out for the season, can get Porzingis right. If they do even as well as Dallas' crew did with this guy, I'll be surprised. Still OK with this trade, though. Really got tired of Bertans' act. Get that sorry dude out of here.

Post #67 » by **Ruzious** » Fri Feb 11, 2022 12:33 pm

And how painful was it to watch both Dinwiddie and Porzingis? Dinwiddie was perpetually angry - not just at officials but at teammates - other than Trez. On court, he had zero chemistry with anyone but Trez. His assists came after he'd dribble the ball for 15 plus seconds accomplishing nothing - and often getting bailed out by a teammate hitting a shot near the end of the 24 second clock. He didn't get many to's, but that was because he didn't make many attempts to create for a teammate.

Bertans rushed every shot - as if he could make up for all his deficiencies by hitting several shots in a row - just to keep missing and get more desperate to make a 3. And more and more, he'd just give up on trying to defend someone and just intentionally hack away. He never could defend anyone near the hoop, and now he was giving up defending anyone on the perimeter. How many times did we see him ineffectually double someone just to let his man get an open 3 while he ran at him? What an awful way to defend NBA shooters.

Getting rid of both was addition by subtraction. Even if Porz is a total flop here, we won this trade. And he might be that, but he has undeniable talent, and when you're in the Wiz situation, you should take a chance on undeniable talent.

Dolevi · Post #68 » by **Dolevi** » Fri Feb 11, 2022 1:03 pm

Amazing deal, never imagined. Dallas went drunk.

TGW · Post #69 » by **TGW** » Fri Feb 11, 2022 2:31 pm

9 and 20 wrote:I have my doubts about the Wizards medical team, the same one who turned Beal's 2-game sprained wrist into wrist surgery and out for the season, can get Porzingis right. If they do even as well as Dallas' crew did with this guy, I'll be surprised. Still OK with this trade, though. Really got tired of Bertans' act. Get that sorry dude out of here.

Porzingis, on average, roughly misses about 25 games a season, and that is EXTREMELY frustrating to coach. I'm sure that was one of the factors in trading him for table crumbs. And yes, we have a historically terrible medical staff. If Turd could do anything overnight to improve this team, it's investing in a better med unit. Maybe consider poaching some guys from the NFL.

dobrojim · Post #70 » by **dobrojim** » Fri Feb 11, 2022 3:43 pm

Kanyewest wrote:28% 3 point shooting is well below average for a stretch big but hopefully he can improve upon that with the Wizards.

The obvious question is whether this recent trend will continue or if he will return
to being a reasonably decent 3 pt shooter.

Frichuela · Post #71 » by **Frichuela** » Fri Feb 11, 2022 4:12 pm

Let's get pumped about Porzingis rim protection abilities. Per Mavs fans, he's been quite solid in that department: 2.1 blks per 36, 104 DRTG, +0.8 DBPM.

In the recent game below vs Memphis, he had 6 blocks..

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queridiculo · Post #72 » by **queridiculo** » Fri Feb 11, 2022 4:26 pm

Wizards will need to sign a backup center in the offseason unless they're confident that Vernon Carey can play on this level.

I do like the combination of Gafford and Porzingis, but it won't mean a thing if the guy can't play more than 50 games a year.

Frichuela · Post #73 » by **Frichuela** » Fri Feb 11, 2022 4:28 pm

queridiculo wrote:Wizards will need to sign a backup center in the offseason unless they're confident that Vernon Carey can play on this level.

I do like the combination of Gafford and Porzingis, but it won't mean a thing if the guy can't play more than 50 games a year.

I have the sneaky feeling they are contemplating keeping Bryant...hopefully for a reduced rate...say $5-7 mn/year...

queridiculo · Post #74 » by **queridiculo** » Fri Feb 11, 2022 4:37 pm

Frichuela wrote:
queridiculo wrote:Wizards will need to sign a backup center in the offseason unless they're confident that Vernon Carey can play on this level.

I do like the combination of Gafford and Porzingis, but it won't mean a thing if the guy can't play more than 50 games a year.

I have the sneaky feeling they are contemplating keeping Bryant...hopefully for a reduced rate...say $5-7 mn/year...

That would be a waste.

9 and 20 · Post #75 » by **9 and 20** » Fri Feb 11, 2022 4:39 pm

Ruzious wrote:And how painful was it to watch both Dinwiddie and Porzingis? Dinwiddie was perpetually angry - not just at officials but at teammates - other than Trez. On court, he had zero chemistry with anyone but Trez. His assists came after he'd dribble the ball for 15 plus seconds accomplishing nothing - and often getting bailed out by a teammate hitting a shot near the end of the 24 second clock. He didn't get many to's, but that was because he didn't make many attempts to create for a teammate.

Bertans rushed every shot - as if he could make up for all his deficiencies by hitting several shots in a row - just to keep missing and get more desperate to make a 3. And more and more, he'd just give up on trying to defend someone and just intentionally hack away. He never could defend anyone near the hoop, and now he was giving up defending anyone on the perimeter. How many times did we see him ineffectually double someone just to let his man get an open 3 while he ran at him? What an awful way to defend NBA shooters.

Getting rid of both was addition by subtraction. Even if Porz is a total flop here, we won this trade. And he might be that, but he has undeniable talent, and when you're in the Wiz situation, you should take a chance on undeniable talent.

I mean, nobody is saying Dinwiddie and Bertans were all stars. We already saw that the team was no longer playing like a summer league team with those two guys having been dumped. Addition by subtraction is right.

Just trying to temper my enthusiasm. Curse o les Boulez demands it. The team's medical staff has destroyed greater careers and talents than Porzingis, so I'm not super hopeful that the Wiz are the right team for him.

mhd · Post #76 » by **mhd** » Fri Feb 11, 2022 4:40 pm

queridiculo wrote:
Frichuela wrote:
queridiculo wrote:Wizards will need to sign a backup center in the offseason unless they're confident that Vernon Carey can play on this level.

I do like the combination of Gafford and Porzingis, but it won't mean a thing if the guy can't play more than 50 games a year.

I have the sneaky feeling they are contemplating keeping Bryant...hopefully for a reduced rate...say $5-7 mn/year...

That would be a waste.

A waste of money. Gafford is the starter, KP can play stretch 5, Kuzma can play small-ball 5. Just sign a vet big who is content with no play time (or keep Carey) like RLO.

badinage · Post #77 » by **badinage** » Fri Feb 11, 2022 4:43 pm

Bear in mind:

This team was getting abused in the paint. Gafford doesn’t have any junk in the trunk and is only an asset against power forwards playing center. And Harrell has all the size of a small forward.

The Zinger’s 7’-3”. He’s a load. He can also alter shots and block them.

Frichuela · Post #78 » by **Frichuela** » Fri Feb 11, 2022 4:44 pm

mhd wrote:
queridiculo wrote:
Frichuela wrote:
I have the sneaky feeling they are contemplating keeping Bryant...hopefully for a reduced rate...say $5-7 mn/year...

That would be a waste.

A waste of money. Gafford is the starter, KP can play stretch 5, Kuzma can play small-ball 5. Just sign a vet big who is content with no play time (or keep Carey) like RLO.

Agreed. Let's hope Tommy focuses his efforts on the guard side, where we'll need help.

WallToWall · Post #79 » by **WallToWall** » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:20 pm

Although Porzingis is labeled as a F-C, I see him strictly as a C on the defensive side of the ball given his mobility, impact, and to a lesser extent, injury history. He can pretty much cover the bigger C’s in the league reasonably well.
Gafford has a PF body, but is listed as a F-C, and having him cover C’s on defense will lead to him fouling out pretty quickly.
Bryant is also labeled as a F-C, and on the defensive side of the ball he will be able to hold his own against the below average C’s. He will get eaten alive by above average C’s.
We actually need a big body C to help cover.
I can’t see a pairing of Gafford and Porzingis on the floor at the same time being successful. Maybe I am wrong.
I can see a lineup of Porzingis, Kuzma, Hachimura, Avdija, Beal being successful on both sides of the ball.

doclinkin · Post #80 » by **doclinkin** » Fri Feb 11, 2022 6:46 pm

Ruzious wrote:
spaceman_E wrote:Incredible deal. In related news, wtf is Dallas doing

They have a long thread on the trade in the Dallas forum - they were so perplexed for the most part - I feel bad for them. Their management has done such a poor job of building around Doncic.

I get the feeling Doncic is a bit of a d+ck as a teammate. Coach killer, prima donna, needs the ball to do what he does. Yeah he will pass the ball, but if a team is built around him it has to be built around HIM, and may not work as well if he is out, or off, or injured and playing through it.