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Re: Coaching and GM Changes - Update: Vogel fired, Pelinka next? 

Post#61 » by Johnny Bball » Wed May 4, 2022 12:00 am

stan francisco wrote:Bring Phil Jackson back. Carry him around if needed. Nick Nurse and Scott Brooks and Monty Williams are coaches I’ve wanted here in the past. Who is next up from the younger generation of coaches in the league?


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Post#62 » by DNP-Old » Wed May 4, 2022 12:16 am

sonnyhill wrote:
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sonnyhill wrote:Just hiring the "right" head coach is not going to solve the problems facing the Lakers.

Ownership, proper-and-smart roster construction, managing the cap, and re-inventing the now-tarnished-and-damaged Laker brand,and hiring the right coach, are all needed right now.



Wait...What?


https://fadeawayworld.net/nba-media/magic-johnson-names-the-lakers-and-knicks-as-big-market-teams-that-need-to-improve


So you interpret Magic saying that the Lakers need to improve (a bold and out on a limb statement) as them needing to reinvent their now tarnished and damaged brand?
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Re: Coaching and GM Changes - Update: Vogel fired, Pelinka next? 

Post#63 » by LAKESHOW » Wed May 4, 2022 12:25 am

Johnny Bball wrote:
stan francisco wrote:Bring Phil Jackson back. Carry him around if needed. Nick Nurse and Scott Brooks and Monty Williams are coaches I’ve wanted here in the past. Who is next up from the younger generation of coaches in the league?


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Lol. Johnny, no need to get nervous. Yall good
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Post#64 » by tamaraw08 » Wed May 4, 2022 3:40 am

LAKESHOW wrote:
Johnny Bball wrote:
stan francisco wrote:Bring Phil Jackson back. Carry him around if needed. Nick Nurse and Scott Brooks and Monty Williams are coaches I’ve wanted here in the past. Who is next up from the younger generation of coaches in the league?


Scratch 1.


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Lol. Johnny, no need to get nervous. Yall good

I thought Rich Paul was so smart that he snuck in a buy out clause for Nurse’s contract in case Nick wanted out for better offers. I guess not
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Post#65 » by TylersLakers » Wed May 4, 2022 5:12 am

I just watched the entire Masai press conference.

It’s amazing what a functional basketball organization looks like.

He spoke very, very well about the culture they have. The types of players they bring in. How they have to fit the philosophies of the coach. How they scout. Everything.

And then I look at our organization. Which is basically like a Dawson’s Creek TV show. Jeanie’s buddies, former boyfriend, methods and ways of the past.

Makes me sick. What other functional organization has an ownership group like ours?

And you can come back and say “well, we just won a championship 18 months ago. Can’t be too bad.” We won thanks to one of the greatest players ever choosing us based on our name. And we’ll also lose said player a year from now because he truly realized what a s**t show he walked into.

Hear any leaks about the Raptors ownership? The Golden State ownership? The Grizzlies ownership? Bucks? Nothing.

I really wish I didn’t love this team so much. And I hope one day we embrace modern NBA basketball and Jeanie and the ownership group get the hell out of the way.

Dr. Buss always said: “Hire the best people you can, and get away.” Jeanie’s mentioned this before as well. She’s not listening. She can’t stay out of her own way.
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Post#66 » by myersia » Sat May 7, 2022 1:50 am

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Post#67 » by Ball so hard » Sat May 7, 2022 7:16 pm

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Talk about an upgrade lol

This franchise is truly clueless. There aren’t anyone available that’s better than Vogel. I maintain firing Vogel without a more suitable option was always stupid.
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Post#68 » by myersia » Sat May 7, 2022 10:40 pm

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Talk about an upgrade lol

This franchise is truly clueless. There aren’t anyone available that’s better than Vogel. I maintain firing Vogel without a more suitable option was always stupid.

Personally I think Terry is a lot better on offense than vogel. Vogel’s offense was absolutely horrible in Indiana and Orlando. Honestly our offense has never been fun to watch even in the bubble. I know Terry’s defense has been an issue at times. But offensively I do consider him an upgrade over Vogel.
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Post#69 » by Ball so hard » Sun May 8, 2022 12:56 am

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Ball so hard wrote:
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Talk about an upgrade lol

This franchise is truly clueless. There aren’t anyone available that’s better than Vogel. I maintain firing Vogel without a more suitable option was always stupid.

Personally I think Terry is a lot better on offense than vogel. Vogel’s offense was absolutely horrible in Indiana and Orlando. Honestly our offense has never been fun to watch even in the bubble. I know Terry’s defense has been an issue at times. But offensively I do consider him an upgrade over Vogel.


Well, is an upgrade on offense and a downgrade on defense really an upgrade? If you’re looking for a coach with a strong pedigree on offense that’ll be fun to watch you hire D’antoni. D’antoni is not my kind of guy, but there’s no one better. He’s one of the pioneers of what has become small ball position less basketball.
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Post#70 » by LAL1947 » Sun May 8, 2022 4:35 am

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myersia wrote:Lakers have interviewed former Trail Blazers coach Terry Stotts for their HC job, per @wojespn pic.twitter.com/9yt5ZRYB5D

Talk about an upgrade lol

This franchise is truly clueless. There aren’t anyone available that’s better than Vogel. I maintain firing Vogel without a more suitable option was always stupid.

Personally I think Terry is a lot better on offense than vogel. Vogel’s offense was absolutely horrible in Indiana and Orlando. Honestly our offense has never been fun to watch even in the bubble. I know Terry’s defense has been an issue at times. But offensively I do consider him an upgrade over Vogel.

I like Frankie V, so I think it would have been good to keep him... and see if Terry Stotts was amenable to joining us as an offensive assistant coach alongside Frank. That could have been a really good duo. Stotts and the Trailblazers parted ways in June 2021, and he is 64yo, so he may have been open to it.

Anyway, I'm not trying to knock Stotts by saying that. He did some good things in Portland.
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Post#71 » by NYSixersFan » Sun May 8, 2022 4:52 am

Please take Doc off our hands.
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Post#72 » by BEazy » Sun May 8, 2022 11:38 pm

Thank the lord Kings got Mr. Potato Head. I was worried Lakers might've got duped again with Mike Brown interviewing skills. We all know that Brown is all talk and no result type of coach.
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Post#73 » by fteru6uhre54ew » Mon May 9, 2022 2:40 am

They screwed more destroying the entire coach bench. Taking away Lionel Hollis, Kidd even Dudley who was another coach. Not only destroyed the team who was the champion the bench too. I prefer a good young coach who can be respected by the players and arround him good veteran coaches like they did with Vogel in the first year. But it's more important the structure of the team If you don't build a good team doesn't matter the coach is not going to change. If you have Wesbtook out there doing his stupid things doesn't matter wich coach you have. If you build a serious team around Lebron and AD this team is going to be up again.
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Post#74 » by LAL1947 » Mon May 9, 2022 3:39 am

NYSixersFan wrote:Please take Doc off our hands.

Doc is a Celtic and a Clipper... so no thank you. :P
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Post#75 » by tamaraw08 » Mon May 9, 2022 2:58 pm

Ball so hard wrote:
myersia wrote:
Ball so hard wrote:
Talk about an upgrade lol

This franchise is truly clueless. There aren’t anyone available that’s better than Vogel. I maintain firing Vogel without a more suitable option was always stupid.

Personally I think Terry is a lot better on offense than vogel. Vogel’s offense was absolutely horrible in Indiana and Orlando. Honestly our offense has never been fun to watch even in the bubble. I know Terry’s defense has been an issue at times. But offensively I do consider him an upgrade over Vogel.


Well, is an upgrade on offense and a downgrade on defense really an upgrade? If you’re looking for a coach with a strong pedigree on offense that’ll be fun to watch you hire D’antoni. D’antoni is not my kind of guy, but there’s no one better. He’s one of the pioneers of what has become small ball position less basketball.

D'Antoni has put so much emphasis on offense when he was coaching that he barely leaves any focus on defense. During his stint here in LA, he proudly stated that he does focus on defense even spent a long time talking about it for as much as 30 minutes. :banghead:
But yes, defense has not been Terry's strength either but there was a year Portland ranked 8th best in DRTG but my hope is, if they hire him, that they hire Steve Clifford as their defensive coordinator. Steve actually IMPROVED the defense or Orlando after Vogel was fired there, from 18th to 8th. I am aware though that Frank's team was ravaged by injuries and was on tank mode after ASB.
Going back to Stotts, I love the way he used the Horns formation that created good scoring opportunities for his team.
on offense, the Portland Trail Blazers seem like a freewheeling, 3-point shooting, high-scoring bunch. Damian Lillard and CJ McCollum are front-and-center, running around screens, breaking down defenses, and taking deep shots from beyond-the-arc.O

But it's not all reads off of the pick-and-roll and backdoor cuts in Portland. Coach Terry Stotts likes to let his best players operate within his Flow offense with relative freedom, but so too will he create intricate half-court sets based on the foundations seen in other modern NBA offenses.

One of those staples is a play formation called Horns.

If you’re a Blazers fan you’ve definitely seen Horns before. The basic setup for Horns -- which might just be Portland's most recognizable half-court set -- is as such:

- One point guard up top

- Two posts standing at the outer edge of the key at free throw line (called the elbows)

https://www.nbcsports.com/northwest/portland-trail-blazers/breakdown-staple-terry-stotts-offense-horns
Having said that, I'm not sure it will work with Westbrook but I'm confident it will with Lebron and Monk.
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Post#76 » by sonnyhill » Tue May 10, 2022 11:16 pm

Amazing interview with Bill Plaschke; advocates trading away LeBron; ownership and front office is a mess; places lots of hope onto Phil Jackson.

Very sobering interview.

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Post#77 » by LAKESHOW » Wed May 11, 2022 3:46 am

Plaschke short on answers and raises more questions. No insight, just guesstimations. He heard Phil wants Bron out, but another guess, does not know for sure. His final synopsis? Lets wait and see.
Well hell, anyone here can make that conclusion.
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Re: Coaching and GM Changes - Update: Vogel fired, Pelinka next? 

Post#78 » by Kilroy » Wed May 11, 2022 4:07 am

If half of that interview is true... Just half... I have zero interest in following the Lakers next season...
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Post#79 » by sonnyhill » Wed May 11, 2022 4:16 am

Kilroy wrote:If half of that interview is true... Just half... I have zero interest in following the Lakers next season...


I do believe that what was said in the interview is true and that Jeanie has an opportunity to right the ship by making radical change in the front office, with the coaching staff, and with the roster.

As soon as Danny Ainge had determined that his Celtic "Big 3" of Garnett, Pierce, and Allen were not going to be able to compete for championships, he completely gutted-and-rebuilt that roster multiple times and they have stayed competitive throughout a long period of time. As much as we may hate Danny Ainge (the player-the coach-the front office guy), we cannot dismiss his bold, calculating and decisive actions in the Celtic front office (we will probably see the same M.O. in Utah now, too). Jeanie needs to bring in the Lakers' version of Danny Ainge (no LeBron; not Sam Presti (Presti has accumulated lots of draft picks and young talent; yet, the team's record is horrible), and rebuild the roster in much smarter and strategic manner.
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Post#80 » by zimpy27 » Wed May 11, 2022 5:11 am

sonnyhill wrote:Amazing interview with Bill Plaschke; advocates trading away LeBron; ownership and front office is a mess; places lots of hope onto Phil Jackson.

Very sobering interview.

Bill Plaschke Talks Lakers Owner Jeanie Buss Bringing Back Phil Jackson and Magic Johnson


Phil is an all-time coach but was an awful GM..

Lakers intently listening to great players and great coaches for their opinions on roster construction continues to be hilarious. Just get one GM that knows what he's doing and get out of the way of yourselves.
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