[Super Hot Take From Igoudala] Rasheed Wallace > Giannis Antetokounmpo In Todays NBA

[jokeboy86]

This is a laughable claim. Iggy has joined the prestigious list of very smart on-court players who would make comically bad basketball executives.

Giannis gets disrespected a lot by older players... first Oakley, now Iguodala.

And he already has a title, most importantly, as the main player.

That's why I'm rooting for him to get more... these old fellas will burn their tongues in due time.

Similar to Shaq, a lot of players really resent his obvious physical gifts.

Yeah but even when Shaq was playing there wasn't any open disdain from other players or older players while he was playing like there is with Gianns. But to me its two reason why players openly dismiss him and at times aren't impressed by him

1. Giannis is not American which to the US born players(who've been the only ones dissing him)means he's not one of them but even with that I notice he gets dissed more than Dirk, the Gasols, Ginobili, Parker and other prominent players which goes to the main reason people routinely take shots at Giannis...

2. The style in which he plays. Shaq was physically gifted but he still had a traditional big men back-to-the basket game consisting at times of jump hooks, drop steps and of course dunks which until the new era was a skill that a lot of PF/Cs learned. Ex-players watch Giannis and they see the occasional jumpshot or fadeaway but for the most part he scores by using his ridiculous length, speed, and strength by facing up and attacking the basket and dunking. Even I'll admit when you watch a Giannis offense highlight video its mostly him dunking in some shape of form. Now in the past 3 years he's slowly been adding more to his repertoire but its still him using his athleticism the majority of the time.

[sp6r=underrated]

This is a laughable claim. Iggy has joined the prestigious list of very smart on-court players who would make comically bad basketball executives.

Giannis gets disrespected a lot by older players... first Oakley, now Iguodala.

And he already has a title, most importantly, as the main player.

That's why I'm rooting for him to get more... these old fellas will burn their tongues in due time.

Similar to Shaq, a lot of players really resent his obvious physical gifts.

Yeah but even when Shaq was playing there wasn't any open disdain from other players or older players while he was playing like there is with Gianns. But to me its two reason why players openly dismiss him and at times aren't impressed by him

1. Giannis is not American which to the US born players(who've been the only ones dissing him)means he's not one of them but even with that I notice he gets dissed more than Dirk, the Gasols, Ginobili, Parker and other prominent players which goes to the main reason people routinely take shots at Giannis...

2. The style in which he plays. Shaq was physically gifted but he still had a traditional big men back-to-the basket game consisting at times of jump hooks, drop steps and of course dunks which until the new era was a skill that a lot of PF/Cs learned. Ex-players watch Giannis and they see the occasional jumpshot or fadeaway but for the most part he scores by using his ridiculous length, speed, and strength by facing up and attacking the basket and dunking. Even I'll admit when you watch a Giannis offense highlight video its mostly him dunking in some shape of form. Now in the past 3 years he's slowly been adding more to his repertoire but its still him using his athleticism the majority of the time.

Shaq got a lot of grief for his size. Pre-social media it didn't leak as much but you heard similar critiques that he just bulldozes people.

The foreign thing is interesting. I've noticed Giannis/Jokic get less credit than I think an American player would get while someone like Embiid or Hakeem before that did not.

I'd have to think about why. I do think aesthetics matter to players a lot and may be a factor. We've all observed how much the average player overrates Kyrie for instance.

[Balls Deep]

I think Giannis is a fraud but even I would disagree. Wallace wasn’t anything special.

Impressive post you managed to get two things wrong in two sentences.

Was Wallace some sort of world beater or something?

[sp6r=underrated]

I think Giannis is a fraud but even I would disagree. Wallace wasn’t anything special.

Impressive post you managed to get two things wrong in two sentences.

Was Wallace some sort of world beater or something?

1. Giannis ain't a fraud and that is obvious..

2. Rasheed was a very good player by box score numbers and elite by plus/minus numbers. He played a major role on teams that made 7 Conference Finals, 2 NBA Finals and a title.

[Snakebites]

I love Rasheed Wallace but man is that a bad take.

[GSWFan1994]

I think Giannis is a fraud but even I would disagree. Wallace wasn’t anything special.

Impressive post you managed to get two things wrong in two sentences.

Was Wallace some sort of world beater or something?

Wallace was a top 30 (= borderline All-Star) player for the better part of a decade. That's not "wasn't anything special".

Obviously not a MVP candidate, but there are layers in this.

[KGtabake]

Giannis is a living legend. None of the guys dishing him(Oakley, Iggy) isn't.
Kyrie isn't even a top5 point guard today, let alone top20 all timer.
Iggy managed to screw his podcast before even starting it.

[sp6r=underrated]

Impressive post you managed to get two things wrong in two sentences.

Was Wallace some sort of world beater or something?

Wallace was a top 30 (= borderline All-Star) player for the better part of a decade. That's not "wasn't anything special".

Obviously not a MVP candidate, but there are layers in this.

That attitude reminds me of people who call guys like Malone or Stockton losers and insist anyone who hasn't played on a title "never won anything." So silly.

[Antinomy]

I wish these new talking heads would go in the opposite direction & talk about how the current players would be dominant in previous eras.

Enough with the ‘random 2000s scrub would put up 40ppg stuff’.

[Clyde Frazier]

that giannis disrespect is flat out weird. and igoudala's still playing in the league! sheed was a very talented player and would thrive in today's game but gimme a damn break.

[Bank Shot]

Love Sheed but no.

Also, Iggy says a lot of dumb **** for a dude who has a reputation for being super smart.

[Antinomy]

Rasheed Wallace was one of those classic: “if he could just put it all together”-type of dudes.

We had talent, but dude was a headache most of the time & wasn’t a team leader in any sense — he was racking up technical fouls like it was a joke.

He was good as a post defender, and improved the Pistons after the trade, but I don’t know where his elite defensive reputation comes from after watching him play extensively.

Also, people bring up his shooting when there were comparable or better big man shooters back then — truthfully, his issue is that he would constantly drift further & further away from the basket with each time he touched the ball.

If anything, his post game was much better than his shooting.

[Bornstellar]

This is just stupid. Just because Sheed could hit the three doesn't mean he would be this elite all timer in this era, and I'm getting tired of being making those comments just because someone shot threes back then.

I do think Sheed would be more appreciated now than he was then. He had monster +/- numbers and better box stats going by current numbers. People would recognize the value he provides in a way they didn't then

I never said he wasn't a good player and that his numbers wouldnt be better in the current league which plays to his strengths more. My point was to insinuate he would be better than a back-to-back MVP, DPOY, and champion just because he could shoot threes is asinine. In no world would Rasheed ever be better than current Giannis

[Balls Deep]

Impressive post you managed to get two things wrong in two sentences.

Was Wallace some sort of world beater or something?

Wallace was a top 30 (= borderline All-Star) player for the better part of a decade. That's not "wasn't anything special".

Obviously not a MVP candidate, but there are layers in this.

So 4 All-Star appearances in 18 years deserves being talked about this way well after they retire? When did standards drop so low? Are we going to say Kyle Lowry would be a top 5 player a decade from now too?

[sp6r=underrated]

This is just stupid. Just because Sheed could hit the three doesn't mean he would be this elite all timer in this era, and I'm getting tired of being making those comments just because someone shot threes back then.

I do think Sheed would be more appreciated now than he was then. He had monster +/- numbers and better box stats going by current numbers. People would recognize the value he provides in a way they didn't then

I never said he wasn't a good player and that his numbers wouldnt be better in the current league which plays to his strengths more. My point was to insinuate he would be better than a back-to-back MVP, DPOY, and champion just because he could shoot threes is asinine. In no world would Rasheed ever be better than current Giannis

I agree sorry for misunderstanding

[GSWFan1994]

Was Wallace some sort of world beater or something?

Wallace was a top 30 (= borderline All-Star) player for the better part of a decade. That's not "wasn't anything special".

Obviously not a MVP candidate, but there are layers in this.

So 4 All-Star appearances in 18 years deserves being talked about this way well after they retire? When did standards drop so low? Are we going to say Kyle Lowry would be a top 5 player a decade from now too?

Please re-read and, most importantly, learn to understand what I wrote in my previous post. Thanks.

[SeattleJazzFan]

I agree Rasheed would be a way better player than he was in todays nba , but better than Greekness? Come on

https://www.tmz.com/2022/07/12/andre-iguodala-rasheed-wallace-better-than-giannis-antetokounmpo-todays-nba/

Rasheed Wallace probably could have been a top-five player in the league for a 10-year stretch," Iguodala said on the show. "He was shooting half-court shots left-handed and right-handed.


If Rasheed Wallace played in modern-day basketball, if he played in our league today, he’d be a top-five player. He’d be better than Giannis and I love Giannis.

dumbest thing i've ever heard a former player say - and that is a high bar.

[AbeVigodaLive]

Vince Carter could be in this discussion as well, but similar to Rasheed, competitive drive plays a part.

Wallace's "best" statistical season:
19.2 ppg
7.8 reb
2.8 apg
50.1% fg
32.1% 3fg
1.2 stl
1.8 blk

[jokeboy86]

This is a laughable claim. Iggy has joined the prestigious list of very smart on-court players who would make comically bad basketball executives.



Similar to Shaq, a lot of players really resent his obvious physical gifts.

Yeah but even when Shaq was playing there wasn't any open disdain from other players or older players while he was playing like there is with Gianns. But to me its two reason why players openly dismiss him and at times aren't impressed by him

1. Giannis is not American which to the US born players(who've been the only ones dissing him)means he's not one of them but even with that I notice he gets dissed more than Dirk, the Gasols, Ginobili, Parker and other prominent players which goes to the main reason people routinely take shots at Giannis...

2. The style in which he plays. Shaq was physically gifted but he still had a traditional big men back-to-the basket game consisting at times of jump hooks, drop steps and of course dunks which until the new era was a skill that a lot of PF/Cs learned. Ex-players watch Giannis and they see the occasional jumpshot or fadeaway but for the most part he scores by using his ridiculous length, speed, and strength by facing up and attacking the basket and dunking. Even I'll admit when you watch a Giannis offense highlight video its mostly him dunking in some shape of form. Now in the past 3 years he's slowly been adding more to his repertoire but its still him using his athleticism the majority of the time.

Shaq got a lot of grief for his size. Pre-social media it didn't leak as much but you heard similar critiques that he just bulldozes people.

The foreign thing is interesting. I've noticed Giannis/Jokic get less credit than I think an American player would get while someone like Embiid or Hakeem before that did not.

I'd have to think about why. I do think aesthetics matter to players a lot and may be a factor. We've all observed how much the average player overrates Kyrie for instance.

I also think Shaq never has and still doesn't take kindly to somebody speaking about him in a negative way and has never had any problem feuding with anybody publicly whereas Giannis gives off a don't care vibe.

I hear current players and ex-players give Jokic a lot more credit than Giannis and only dismiss him when it comes to comparing him to Embiid or the MVP discussions. They constantly praise his offensive skills. In regards to Embiid and Hakeem the lack of respect and sometimey hate has always seemed to be relegated to the great European players and never those from Africa or those who attended a US college.

[Patches Perry]

Fully agree with the post on the 1st page that hot takes are part of a business model, but taking it at face value...

Iguodala acts like these guys played in drastically different eras. Rasheed's last game was in December of 2012, Giannis first game was October of 2013. Giannis won MVP 5 seasons later. Iguodala played about half his career pre-2013 and half post-2013, and there wasn't any significant difference in who he was as a player in both "eras" so the idea that the NBA was so different when Rasheed played that he'd be better than a 2 time MVP is absurd.