Has it not become overwhelmingly clear (even to management) it's time to blow this up?

[agkagk]

While I agree our bench is booty , A core of FVV, Pascal , OG-Scottie is super a$$ compared to other heavy hitters in the league. I actually want no part of FVV being the PG of the future, I can be swayed on Pascal/OG.

give fred a centre to help space the floor and I think you'll fall in love with fred again.

lol. Stop.

the scouting reports on the raptors is simple.

only pascal can get to the rim without help so just crowd the middle of the paint and collapse on shooters.

if the raps dont make 15+ threes then they lose.

a centre fixes this.

[PhilBlackson]

og, pascal, fred, barnes and trent arent the problem.

its the 40 plus million being spent on guys like boucher, porter, thad young, birch etc....

If this team even had two scrubby players like nerlen noel and dennis schroeder on the bench then this team is over 500.

no back up point guard, no six man, no centre to be seen (these are all cheap and supposedly easy assets to find).

our core has been left out to dry by management.

Over 265 min, that unit is a +1.9 Net Rating. That is awful for the core of a team

The actual problem is the core doesnt fit together. This is the modern NBA where both our guards are 3+D guys, which only works if you have a Luka or a Lebron. We have no guard play, that core cant guard the paint and its one of the worst shooting lineups in the league. Those 5 guys together are absolutely the problem and have shown nothing that indicates that we should invest in them (trade assets/picks to surround them with better bench guys)

THE TEAM NEEDS A CENTRE!

Long boys is an epic failure.

not enough play makers to compensate for the lack of spacing that a centre provides.

Our roster construction is terrible.

its really that simple.

You think this team is just a "20 min per game C" (as YOU said) away from contending?!?!

omg that's too good. Some homerism knows no bounds.

[agkagk]

Over 265 min, that unit is a +1.9 Net Rating. That is awful for the core of a team

The actual problem is the core doesnt fit together. This is the modern NBA where both our guards are 3+D guys, which only works if you have a Luka or a Lebron. We have no guard play, that core cant guard the paint and its one of the worst shooting lineups in the league. Those 5 guys together are absolutely the problem and have shown nothing that indicates that we should invest in them (trade assets/picks to surround them with better bench guys)

THE TEAM NEEDS A CENTRE!

Long boys is an epic failure.

not enough play makers to compensate for the lack of spacing that a centre provides.

Our roster construction is terrible.

its really that simple.

You think this team is just a "20 min per game C" (as YOU said) away from contending?!?!

omg that's too good. Some homerism knows no bounds.

once again, not what i said. youre intentionally being dense now.

[PhilBlackson]

Listened to that Canadaland episode on Rogers. I think it's clear that MLSE is the culprit... but I don't think it's all of MLSE. I think it's Ed Rogers. I think he's sabotaging things. I don't know the details yet, but I will have the full truth. If I expire prematurely, it is no coincidence. Stay tuned...

What did it say???

[Quattro]

thats an absurdly short sighted interpretation of what i wrote.

the roster construction is poor, but the core is strong. the pieces around our core make the core worse not better. fix this and you have a very good team. luckily, those pieces are cheap and easy to get.

masai is **** the bed on this one.

obviously its too late to finish with a top ten record.

wait what? lol.

og, pascal, fred, barnes and trent arent the problem.

its the 40 plus million being spent on guys like boucher, porter, thad young, birch etc....

If this team even had two scrubby players like nerlen noel and dennis schroeder on the bench then this team is over 500.

no back up point guard, no six man, no centre to be seen (these are all cheap and supposedly easy assets to find).

our core has been left out to dry by management.

But they are the problem. The only guy on that list who you can rely on consistently is Siakam. The rest of them are consistently inconsistent. They can't shoot and increasingly can't play effective defense. I'm not saying a solid bench wouldn't help but this team isn't where it needs to be to truly contend with this core. I think that's evident to anyone watching these days.

[PhilBlackson]

THE TEAM NEEDS A CENTRE!

Long boys is an epic failure.

not enough play makers to compensate for the lack of spacing that a centre provides.

Our roster construction is terrible.

its really that simple.

You think this team is just a "20 min per game C" (as YOU said) away from contending?!?!

omg that's too good. Some homerism knows no bounds.

once again, not what i said. youre intentionally being dense now.

We’re a 20 minute a night centre and a backup point guard away from being a top ten team.

Blowing it up would be a huge overreaction.

[TorontoBarneys]

Over 265 min, that unit is a +1.9 Net Rating. That is awful for the core of a team

The actual problem is the core doesnt fit together. This is the modern NBA where both our guards are 3+D guys, which only works if you have a Luka or a Lebron. We have no guard play, that core cant guard the paint and its one of the worst shooting lineups in the league. Those 5 guys together are absolutely the problem and have shown nothing that indicates that we should invest in them (trade assets/picks to surround them with better bench guys)

THE TEAM NEEDS A CENTRE!

Long boys is an epic failure.

not enough play makers to compensate for the lack of spacing that a centre provides.

Our roster construction is terrible.

its really that simple.

You think this team is just a "20 min per game C" (as YOU said) away from contending?!?!

omg that's too good. Some homerism knows no bounds.

Our roster construction is simultaneously terrible while also being 1-2 pieces away from contention.

[Clay Davis]

Listened to that Canadaland episode on Rogers. I think it's clear that MLSE is the culprit... but I don't think it's all of MLSE. I think it's Ed Rogers. I think he's sabotaging things. I don't know the details yet, but I will have the full truth. If I expire prematurely, it is no coincidence. Stay tuned...

What did it say???

Ed Rogers is basically Donald Trump Jr. (only piggybacks off of his father, but thinks he's the bee's knees). He used to put face-numbing cream on his friends's beers when he was at UWO.

[tripa]

og, pascal, fred, barnes and trent arent the problem.

its the 40 plus million being spent on guys like boucher, porter, thad young, birch etc....

If this team even had two scrubby players like nerlen noel and dennis schroeder on the bench then this team is over 500.

We need a dislike button on this board.

[PhilBlackson]

THE TEAM NEEDS A CENTRE!

Long boys is an epic failure.

not enough play makers to compensate for the lack of spacing that a centre provides.

Our roster construction is terrible.

its really that simple.

You think this team is just a "20 min per game C" (as YOU said) away from contending?!?!

omg that's too good. Some homerism knows no bounds.

Our roster construction is simultaneously terrible while also being 1-2 pieces away from contention.

BACKUP pieces at that lol the man said a 20mpg C & backup PG.

[agkagk]

You think this team is just a "20 min per game C" (as YOU said) away from contending?!?!

omg that's too good. Some homerism knows no bounds.

once again, not what i said. youre intentionally being dense now.

We’re a 20 minute a night centre and a backup point guard away from being a top ten team.

Blowing it up would be a huge overreaction.

and youre response to the second quote was " the idea is to contend not be a top ten team".

stop trying to bait me into an argument. its just dense and trolling what your doing kid.

and yes, a back up point guard that can score ten points a night and a centre that can play 20 minutes a night and create passing seams and this team would be 500 or better right now.

[WuTang_CMB]

Listened to that Canadaland episode on Rogers. I think it's clear that MLSE is the culprit... but I don't think it's all of MLSE. I think it's Ed Rogers. I think he's sabotaging things. I don't know the details yet, but I will have the full truth. If I expire prematurely, it is no coincidence. Stay tuned...

What did it say???

Ed Rogers is basically Donald Trump Jr. (only piggybacks off of his father, but thinks he's the bee's knees). He used to put face-numbing cream on his friends's beers when he was at UWO.

yah hes a huge putz. especially with that cottage incident with masai / going to silver to block his extension

but i wouldnt worry

larry / bell and melinda take up all the votes. ed just has his buddy steffieri

i strongly believe masai has full power to tank if he chooses to.

[PhilBlackson]

Listened to that Canadaland episode on Rogers. I think it's clear that MLSE is the culprit... but I don't think it's all of MLSE. I think it's Ed Rogers. I think he's sabotaging things. I don't know the details yet, but I will have the full truth. If I expire prematurely, it is no coincidence. Stay tuned...

What did it say???

Ed Rogers is basically Donald Trump Jr. (only piggybacks off of his father, but thinks he's the bee's knees). He used to put face-numbing cream on his friends's beers when he was at UWO.

LOL

Well we know he's a moron based on how apparently he fought against paying Masai but it didn't mention anything specifically that he may be doing something that's standing in the way of our management making moves did it?

[agkagk]

THE TEAM NEEDS A CENTRE!

Long boys is an epic failure.

not enough play makers to compensate for the lack of spacing that a centre provides.

Our roster construction is terrible.

its really that simple.

You think this team is just a "20 min per game C" (as YOU said) away from contending?!?!

omg that's too good. Some homerism knows no bounds.

Our roster construction is simultaneously terrible while also being 1-2 pieces away from contention.

not even close to what i wrote kid. just a dense take.

[tripa]

give fred a centre to help space the floor and I think you'll fall in love with fred again.

lol. Stop.

the scouting reports on the raptors is simple.

only pascal can get to the rim without help so just crowd the middle of the paint and collapse on shooters.

if the raps dont make 15+ threes then they lose.

a centre fixes this.

?????????

How does getting a centre fix other teams clogging the paint?

[ItsDanger]

Our record is actually worse if you factor in record vs +.500 teams, road record, wins against teams missing 1 or 2 top players, etc. We should be firmly in 5th last if not worse.

[agkagk]

lol. Stop.

the scouting reports on the raptors is simple.

only pascal can get to the rim without help so just crowd the middle of the paint and collapse on shooters.

if the raps dont make 15+ threes then they lose.

a centre fixes this.

?????????

How does getting a centre fix other teams clogging the paint?

lmao.

ask philblackson and barney

ill give you a hint, it has something to do with having a player on the low block that can create a shot for himself.

im sure you three can put it together

[agkagk]

wait what? lol.

og, pascal, fred, barnes and trent arent the problem.

its the 40 plus million being spent on guys like boucher, porter, thad young, birch etc....

If this team even had two scrubby players like nerlen noel and dennis schroeder on the bench then this team is over 500.

no back up point guard, no six man, no centre to be seen (these are all cheap and supposedly easy assets to find).

our core has been left out to dry by management.

But they are the problem. The only guy on that list who you can rely on consistently is Siakam. The rest of them are consistently inconsistent. They can't shoot and increasingly can't play effective defense. I'm not saying a solid bench wouldn't help but this team isn't where it needs to be to truly contend with this core. I think that's evident to anyone watching these days.

yup, fred, og, barnes, trent and precious are all limited and need the right supporting pieces around them.

Long boys might work when you have more dynamic pieces, but porter, birch, thad young, boucher etc are just redundant and do nothing to get the best out of our core guys.

id love to see this team trade ancillary pieces for a mo bamba type (young athletic versatile centre) and find any veteran scrubby back up point guard. and see where we're at when we restore proper spacing to the lineup.

[Steelo Green]

We won a title with a top 5 player.

Last year had a top 5 player.

The year before that had a top 5 player.

The year before that had a top 5 player.

The yea..........

[PhilBlackson]

once again, not what i said. youre intentionally being dense now.

We’re a 20 minute a night centre and a backup point guard away from being a top ten team.

Blowing it up would be a huge overreaction.

and youre response to the second quote was " the idea is to contend not be a top ten team".

stop trying to bait me into an argument. its just dense and trolling what your doing kid.

and yes, a back up point guard that can score ten points a night and a centre that can play 20 minutes a night and create passing seams and this team would be 500 or better right now.

The only thing dense is you & your pathetically short sighted ideas for the team lol

It literally has you getting laughed at for multiple pages & by half of the board now. Also don't try the "kid" stuff with me when it's quite clear by everyone's reaction that it's ironically you that has the comprehension level of one. No one is buying into your short-sighted hopes of just being an above .500 team, they want to actually contend which again ironically only points to your lack of comprehension.