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Re: Austin Reaves 

Post#61 » by Bensational » Wed May 3, 2023 11:15 pm

Give me Suggs over Austin. He cheaper, younger, and he’s shown improvement.

We rebuilt through the draft and now we need to let our draft picks play. Harris is the perfect SG as he’s shown he’s happy to play a smaller role when required.
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Post#62 » by thelead » Wed May 3, 2023 11:16 pm

Bensational wrote:Give me Suggs over Austin. He cheaper, younger, and he’s shown improvement.

We rebuilt through the draft and now we need to let our draft picks play. Harris is the perfect SG as he’s shown he’s happy to play a smaller role when required.

I agree about Suggs but I would never turn down high IQ players that can shoot.
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Re: Austin Reaves 

Post#63 » by Bensational » Thu May 4, 2023 12:32 am

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Bensational wrote:Give me Suggs over Austin. He cheaper, younger, and he’s shown improvement.

We rebuilt through the draft and now we need to let our draft picks play. Harris is the perfect SG as he’s shown he’s happy to play a smaller role when required.

I agree about Suggs but I would never turn down high IQ players that can shoot.


I just think it undermines trust in the young guys they’ve acquired if they’re paying top dollar to bring in guys who will likely play ahead of them. I think we’re still 1-2 seasons away from those moves yet.
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Re: Austin Reaves 

Post#64 » by yoyojw17 » Fri May 5, 2023 1:19 am

thelead wrote:
Bensational wrote:Give me Suggs over Austin. He cheaper, younger, and he’s shown improvement.

We rebuilt through the draft and now we need to let our draft picks play. Harris is the perfect SG as he’s shown he’s happy to play a smaller role when required.

I agree about Suggs but I would never turn down high IQ players that can shoot.

Talent accumulation is the name of the game. Suggs should definitely get a fair shake for sure ... But as you said ... IF a great opportunity does come up and you know that you feel like they are a missing piece of the puzzle and is a piece that you can get .... You grab it still. Then changes will have to be made as talent is acquired. Players that you think aren't as essential will get traded for the future or consolidation into something that can become another piece.... While still having levels of depth and competition maintained.
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Re: Austin Reaves 

Post#65 » by RookieStar » Fri May 5, 2023 3:46 am

Soooo... whqt did you guys think of him in game 2? Be honest now.. outlier or.not?
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Re: Austin Reaves 

Post#66 » by thelead » Fri May 5, 2023 4:57 am

RookieStar wrote:Soooo... whqt did you guys think of him in game 2? Be honest now.. outlier or.not?

Are you expecting a star for the money he’s going to command?
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Re: Austin Reaves 

Post#67 » by RookieStar » Fri May 5, 2023 7:56 am

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RookieStar wrote:Soooo... whqt did you guys think of him in game 2? Be honest now.. outlier or.not?

Are you expecting a star for the money he’s going to command?


With the money he is likely to command, i would expect a starter at least.

My question has always been, is he worth that or is this the laker effect
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Re: Austin Reaves 

Post#68 » by KillMonger » Fri May 5, 2023 8:53 am

not looking so great when he's not getting that laker whistle
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Re: Austin Reaves 

Post#69 » by MasterGMer » Fri May 5, 2023 8:55 am

Lakers tanked this game and it is obvious
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Re: Austin Reaves 

Post#70 » by Skybox » Fri May 5, 2023 11:41 am

Is he an upgrade...sure. Does he truly move the team forward...I don't think so.

I don't believe we should pay much for a guy like Reaves or GTJ just to make marginal upgrades...my guess is that both will command close to or even beyond $20m...that's way too much commitment for likely marginal improvement. Spend big or spend little because the salary cap is real and having a bunch of pretty good guys making 15-20 is a lifetime treadmill sentence.
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Post#71 » by thelead » Fri May 5, 2023 1:28 pm

Skybox wrote:Is he an upgrade...sure. Does he truly move the team forward...I don't think so.

I don't believe we should pay much for a guy like Reaves or GTJ just to make marginal upgrades...my guess is that both will command close to or even beyond $20m...that's way too much commitment for likely marginal improvement. Spend big or spend little because the salary cap is real and having a bunch of pretty good guys making 15-20 is a lifetime treadmill sentence.

You're forgetting that he's only going to make ~$11 mil per for the next two seasons regardless of what the total contract is. We will still have plenty of cap space flexibility over the next two years if we signed him.

For the record, I'm not in the 'we have to sign someone this summer' camp. If were to add Reaves, I just wouldn't lose sleep over it while adding another solid player. What would drive me nuts is going ALL in on an old vet and killing our cap flexibility for the next 10 years. We have two summers before our rookie deals start turning into big contracts. I hope we're aggressive but smart about it.
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Re: Austin Reaves 

Post#72 » by Skybox » Sat May 6, 2023 12:02 am

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Skybox wrote:Is he an upgrade...sure. Does he truly move the team forward...I don't think so.

I don't believe we should pay much for a guy like Reaves or GTJ just to make marginal upgrades...my guess is that both will command close to or even beyond $20m...that's way too much commitment for likely marginal improvement. Spend big or spend little because the salary cap is real and having a bunch of pretty good guys making 15-20 is a lifetime treadmill sentence.

You're forgetting that he's only going to make ~$11 mil per for the next two seasons regardless of what the total contract is. We will still have plenty of cap space flexibility over the next two years if we signed him.

For the record, I'm not in the 'we have to sign someone this summer' camp. If were to add Reaves, I just wouldn't lose sleep over it while adding another solid player. What would drive me nuts is going ALL in on an old vet and killing our cap flexibility for the next 10 years. We have two summers before our rookie deals start turning into big contracts. I hope we're aggressive but smart about it.


What do you mean ? (About the $11m per)
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Re: Austin Reaves 

Post#73 » by thelead » Sat May 6, 2023 3:37 am

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Skybox wrote:Is he an upgrade...sure. Does he truly move the team forward...I don't think so.

I don't believe we should pay much for a guy like Reaves or GTJ just to make marginal upgrades...my guess is that both will command close to or even beyond $20m...that's way too much commitment for likely marginal improvement. Spend big or spend little because the salary cap is real and having a bunch of pretty good guys making 15-20 is a lifetime treadmill sentence.

You're forgetting that he's only going to make ~$11 mil per for the next two seasons regardless of what the total contract is. We will still have plenty of cap space flexibility over the next two years if we signed him.

For the record, I'm not in the 'we have to sign someone this summer' camp. If were to add Reaves, I just wouldn't lose sleep over it while adding another solid player. What would drive me nuts is going ALL in on an old vet and killing our cap flexibility for the next 10 years. We have two summers before our rookie deals start turning into big contracts. I hope we're aggressive but smart about it.


What do you mean ? (About the $11m per)


https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10069527-is-austin-reaves-heading-for-an-arenas-rule-showdown-with-the-lakers

A team with cap room can offer Reaves up to four years, with the last two years as high as a maximum salary. The offering franchise would need up to $24.7 million in cap room, but a max deal would have the following structure:

Year 1: $11,368,000 (non-taxpayer mid-level exception)
Year 2: $11,936,400 (five percent raise)
Year 3: $36,850,000 (as if he were paid the maximum in years 1 and 2)
Year 4: $38,508,250 (4.5 percent raise)
Total: $98,662,650
Reaves may not get near the max, but he could be worth a price similar to what the Atlanta Hawks just paid to Bogdan Bogdanović in a four-year, $68 million extension. A team with $17 million in cap space could give Reaves a salary of $11.4 million for 2023-24 that would then bump to about $21.9 million for 2025-26.
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Re: Austin Reaves 

Post#74 » by Knightro » Sat May 6, 2023 4:03 am

thelead wrote:https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10069527-is-austin-reaves-heading-for-an-arenas-rule-showdown-with-the-lakers

A team with cap room can offer Reaves up to four years, with the last two years as high as a maximum salary. The offering franchise would need up to $24.7 million in cap room, but a max deal would have the following structure:

Year 1: $11,368,000 (non-taxpayer mid-level exception)
Year 2: $11,936,400 (five percent raise)
Year 3: $36,850,000 (as if he were paid the maximum in years 1 and 2)
Year 4: $38,508,250 (4.5 percent raise)
Total: $98,662,650
Reaves may not get near the max, but he could be worth a price similar to what the Atlanta Hawks just paid to Bogdan Bogdanović in a four-year, $68 million extension. A team with $17 million in cap space could give Reaves a salary of $11.4 million for 2023-24 that would then bump to about $21.9 million for 2025-26.


For what it's worth, the Magic/any other team with cap space can use its cap space to structure the cap hits as the average annual salary in each of the four years if they are so inclined. Or they can do the 11-11-max-max.

It would be 11-11-max-max for the Lakers if they matched though.
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Re: Austin Reaves 

Post#75 » by Skybox » Sat May 6, 2023 11:45 am

Knightro wrote:
thelead wrote:https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10069527-is-austin-reaves-heading-for-an-arenas-rule-showdown-with-the-lakers

A team with cap room can offer Reaves up to four years, with the last two years as high as a maximum salary. The offering franchise would need up to $24.7 million in cap room, but a max deal would have the following structure:

Year 1: $11,368,000 (non-taxpayer mid-level exception)
Year 2: $11,936,400 (five percent raise)
Year 3: $36,850,000 (as if he were paid the maximum in years 1 and 2)
Year 4: $38,508,250 (4.5 percent raise)
Total: $98,662,650
Reaves may not get near the max, but he could be worth a price similar to what the Atlanta Hawks just paid to Bogdan Bogdanović in a four-year, $68 million extension. A team with $17 million in cap space could give Reaves a salary of $11.4 million for 2023-24 that would then bump to about $21.9 million for 2025-26.


For what it's worth, the Magic/any other team with cap space can use its cap space to structure the cap hits as the average annual salary in each of the four years if they are so inclined. Or they can do the 11-11-max-max.

It would be 11-11-max-max for the Lakers if they matched though.


That makes more sense to me
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Re: Austin Reaves 

Post#76 » by Bensational » Sat May 6, 2023 11:53 am

Random little stat, Points Per Shot which is Pts/FGAs. Reaves is like 3rd best in the league this season with 1.69PPS, which is also best for a wing. That’s a big achievement when you see that bigs dominate the top rankings in PPS, and the guards and wings who rank high dominate in FTAs and 3’s. Incredible efficiency.
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Re: Austin Reaves 

Post#77 » by eyriq » Sat May 6, 2023 3:38 pm

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Re: Austin Reaves 

Post#78 » by RookieStar » Sat May 6, 2023 10:04 pm

eyriq wrote:
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LOL... kinda like Ja after saying the West doesn't worry him..
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Re: Austin Reaves 

Post#79 » by Skybox » Sun May 7, 2023 12:17 am

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LOL... kinda like Ja after saying the West doesn't worry him..


He should have kept his head down and his mouth shut(at least until free agency)...it's a lot easier to score if nobody's worried about you.
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Re: Austin Reaves 

Post#80 » by RookieStar » Sun May 7, 2023 1:35 am

Well.... seems Reaves value/price will keep going down every PO games. lol

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