Prime Tmac vs prime PG

[prophet_of_rage]

tmac had loser mindset for his entire career. Never took his training seriously enough, thats why he was so banged up. never committed defensively again after grant hill went out. TMAC is a better anyone with two brain cells knows that, Ill take pg for the humility, willingness to do the dirty work, and off ball ability.

Regardless im going to need a better player and leader, so id rather have the guy who can play the supporting role better.

I can put any superstar ever beside pg with no issue, i cannot say the same for mcgrady.

T-Mac injured himself getting bigger and stronger in the upper body. The man had to be racked to play. Don't make stuff up.

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That’s the definition of not taking your training seriously

Getting injured is the definition of not taking your training seriously?

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[cupcakesnake]

It's pretty hard to stack up any perimeter player against prime T-Mac. He was just on one in 2003.

The thing is, T-Mac's prime was just one year. He's got a couple decent years around it but he never touches that level again. Not even close. He put up 42 points per 100 (never gets above 37 in any other year), has a TS Add of 192 (next highest season is 43!). Use almost any stat you can think of, and T-Mac in 2004 is an outlier career high.

If we're going 1 year, yessir I'm taking 2003 Big Sleep. But if we zoom out to 3 or 5 years? I'm taking Paul George's defense and superior shooting. T-Mac is the better playmaker.

[Lockdown504090]

T-Mac injured himself getting bigger and stronger in the upper body. The man had to be racked to play. Don't make stuff up.

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That’s the definition of not taking your training seriously

Getting injured is the definition of not taking your training seriously?

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The break down started too soon and yeah, it’s result of not doing prehab/rehab properly. Tracy’s injuries were mostly overuse injuries that caused imbalances leading to bigger injuries. They started way too soon, that tells me either there’sa genetic issue, or this guy just doesn’t know what he’s doing. I can’t think of a star who was killed by nagging injuries like him without major mechanism of injury like Kobe teeing his whole Achilles or Derrick roses acl.

Somebody probably said the same thing I just said to kawhi and that’s probably why part of why he didn’t want to be in Texas anymore.

It looks like from someone who watched tmac as a fan that he was icing, resting and staying off the leg and back instead of doing the boring training on it that doesn’t cause tangible gains

[OdomFan]

Lets just say. If TMac and George were on the same team, that would be T-Macs team. PG is a great player and all, before and after the injury, but yeah. Any team George ever played on would be upgraded with Prime T-Mac.

[turnaroundJ]

for a short while, tmac was a tier 1 superstar wing. i thought he had the hottest shoes in basketball at one point. adidas was on fire. but hasn't really done anything in the playoffs. don't you guys remember those funny tmac secound round virgin images? whether that's due to his various front offices, his own bad genetics for getting injured, or a lack of preparation, i don't know.

PG may not have had the same peak but he's had a number of good runs in the playoffs. elite defense, versatile scoring, can fit in any system. maybe prime for prime tmac was more unstoppable on offense, but i'd rather have paul george on my team despite being less "alpha". if we could've seen 2019 pg without ever having broken his leg, it would swing easily towards pg.

[JustBuzzin]

And you think the version of kobe that played with shaq was peak kobe? Better version of kobe existed outside of playing with Shaq

Shaq vs Gooden is my point.

Tmac was playing with scrubs in Orlando and Grant Hill was never the same player after he left Detroit.

Give Tmac Shaq and he has the same amount of championships. Shaq was the best player in the league 2000-2003.

He had Yao and couldn't even get past the first round.

Get real.

Tmac had started having knee problems by that time.

Noticed I said his "Prime".

Go take your walk of shame.

[Primedeion]

Shaq vs Gooden is my point.

Tmac was playing with scrubs in Orlando and Grant Hill was never the same player after he left Detroit.

Give Tmac Shaq and he has the same amount of championships. Shaq was the best player in the league 2000-2003.

He had Yao and couldn't even get past the first round.

Get real.

Tmac had started having knee problems by that time.

Noticed I said his "Prime".

Go take your walk of shame.

Yeah, it's always excuses for T-Mac. Typical.

Keep repeating your useless hypotheticals though

[JustBuzzin]

He had Yao and couldn't even get past the first round.

Get real.

Tmac had started having knee problems by that time.

Noticed I said his "Prime".

Go take your walk of shame.

Yeah, it's always excuses for T-Mac. Typical.

Keep repeating your useless hypotheticals though

There is no excuses. He played with a garbage team for most of his prime.

When Kobe just had Lamar Odom and Smush Parker the Lakers were no threat.

Sorry but who you play with matters.

[picc]

Peak Tmac arguably better than Kobe. Peak Tmac arguably a top 20 peak of all time and one of the best wings ever. So what if it lasted one year, thats literally the definition of “peak”. He could play defense too.

Also, 2002 Tmac wasnt that far off. He gets underrated a bit.

[Primedeion]

Tmac had started having knee problems by that time.

Noticed I said his "Prime".

Go take your walk of shame.

Yeah, it's always excuses for T-Mac. Typical.

Keep repeating your useless hypotheticals though

There is no excuses. He played with a garbage team for most of his prime.

When Kobe just had Lamar Odom and Smush Parker the Lakers were no threat.

Sorry but who you play with matters.

Again, he had Yao and couldn't even get past the first round. The guy was always a loser. Sorry.

[JustBuzzin]

Yeah, it's always excuses for T-Mac. Typical.

Keep repeating your useless hypotheticals though

There is no excuses. He played with a garbage team for most of his prime.

When Kobe just had Lamar Odom and Smush Parker the Lakers were no threat.

Sorry but who you play with matters.

Again, he had Yao and couldn't even get past the first round. The guy was always a loser. Sorry.

Seek help.

[Primedeion]

There is no excuses. He played with a garbage team for most of his prime.

When Kobe just had Lamar Odom and Smush Parker the Lakers were no threat.

Sorry but who you play with matters.

Again, he had Yao and couldn't even get past the first round. The guy was always a loser. Sorry.

Seek help.

Stop being delusional kid.

[JustBuzzin]

Again, he had Yao and couldn't even get past the first round. The guy was always a loser. Sorry.

Seek help.

Stop being delusional kid.

Do your research you sound crazy.

[Primedeion]

Seek help.

Stop being delusional kid.

Do your research you sound crazy.

Everything I said was a fact buddy.

[JustBuzzin]

Stop being delusional kid.

Do your research you sound crazy.

Everything I said was a fact buddy.

We not talking about championships buddy.

We talking about the player and his talent.


Do you think Robert Horry was better than Charles Barkley?


Try to be realistic. Right now you sound like a casual.

[Primedeion]

Do your research you sound crazy.

Everything I said was a fact buddy.

We not talking about championships buddy.

We talking about the player and his talent.


Do you think Robert Horry was better than Charles Barkley?


Try to be realistic. Right now you sound like a casual.

All that "talent" and he couldn't even get the first round even with Yao. Stop being a stan.

[JustBuzzin]

Everything I said was a fact buddy.

We not talking about championships buddy.

We talking about the player and his talent.


Do you think Robert Horry was better than Charles Barkley?


Try to be realistic. Right now you sound like a casual.

All that "talent" and he couldn't even get the first round even with Yao. Stop being a stan.

Tmac was never the same player after Orlando.

If you actually watched him play you would know this. You can't judge a shell of Tmac and Yao who was also injury prone.


Prime Tmac is Orlando buddy. Rockets Tmac was injury prone and declined. Know the difference young fella.

[Primedeion]

We not talking about championships buddy.

We talking about the player and his talent.


Do you think Robert Horry was better than Charles Barkley?


Try to be realistic. Right now you sound like a casual.

All that "talent" and he couldn't even get the first round even with Yao. Stop being a stan.

Tmac was never the same player after Orlando.

If you actually watched him play you would know this. You can't judge a shell of Tmac and Yao who was also injury prone.


Prime Tmac is Orlando buddy. Rockets Tmac was injury prone and declined. Know the difference young fella.

Nah. He was in his prime in 05 and still couldn't get it done. Trust me. I've been hearing the excuses from the T-wack stans for decades buddy.

[JustBuzzin]

All that "talent" and he couldn't even get the first round even with Yao. Stop being a stan.

Tmac was never the same player after Orlando.

If you actually watched him play you would know this. You can't judge a shell of Tmac and Yao who was also injury prone.


Prime Tmac is Orlando buddy. Rockets Tmac was injury prone and declined. Know the difference young fella.

Nah. He was in his prime in 05 and still couldn't get it done. Trust me. I've been hearing the excuses from the T-wack stans for decades buddy.

Just admit you're a Tmac hater so we can move on.

[Primedeion]

Tmac was never the same player after Orlando.

If you actually watched him play you would know this. You can't judge a shell of Tmac and Yao who was also injury prone.


Prime Tmac is Orlando buddy. Rockets Tmac was injury prone and declined. Know the difference young fella.

Nah. He was in his prime in 05 and still couldn't get it done. Trust me. I've been hearing the excuses from the T-wack stans for decades buddy.

Just admit you're a Tmac hater so we can move on.

Just admit you're a total stan.