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Post#61 » by tester551 » Thu May 30, 2024 5:43 pm

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Tim Lehrbach wrote:I didn't want to say it, but I've kinda been thinking about Meyers Leonard with relation to these two as well. Great measurables that may not translate to functional NBA athleticism.


I don’t agree with that. Both these guys dominated college basketball during their time in it. Me personally have much higher ceilings for both esp defensively.

Agreed. The Meyers comp is not remotely close. Both Clingan and Edey are likely to have much better careers. But those two will be on the Poeltl / Nurk / Zubac tier of players.
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Post#62 » by zzaj » Thu May 30, 2024 5:48 pm

Case2012 wrote:I think Ayton could and probably should play PF, he just needs to really work on his 3 to stretch the floor for someone like Edey (fingers crossed)), who I think can play fine in a drop coverage role. The defensive player of the year is a center that plays that way, and Edey is light years better offensively with a similar build. The last time the blazers drafted someone I wanted was CJ, so I doubt we will draft him though.

I really hope we can do a trade with Memphis or Sac or even NY later on, I think Grant will have a better market than others realize. We could probably send him to philly once they strike out on whatever star delusional Morey wants at the least without taking back salary.


Ayton would get absolutely cooked off the dribble in most games. Probably 95% of NBA teams play 4 out at this point, so that's not going to work with Ayton guarding the perimeter. It doesn't make much sense IMHO to compare Edey to a multi-DPOY player just because they would get used in drop...the whole reason Gobert works in drop is because he's an ELITE rim protector and positional defender in drop coverage. We don't know what Edey would even look like in that role at the NBA level.

Also, the difference between KAT and Ayton as the other big is a VERY wide gulf. That twin towers working is 100% predicated on KAT being one of the best C shooters of all time. Ayton is good from 15' and closer, but Ayton ain't KAT.

Remember how hard it was for Scoot at the rim because of how crowded the paint was, since nobody had to guard the perimeter vs. the Blazers? Well Ayton and Edey at the same time would make that x100, and would completely neuter one of the main areas of Scoot's game that needs to be improved upon.

Lots of "twin towers" lineups have been tried and have failed. They require very specific skillsets with very specific offensive and defensive systems--especially so in today's "space and pace" NBA.
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Re: Grant Trade? 

Post#63 » by zzaj » Thu May 30, 2024 5:53 pm

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Tim Lehrbach wrote:I didn't want to say it, but I've kinda been thinking about Meyers Leonard with relation to these two as well. Great measurables that may not translate to functional NBA athleticism.


I don’t agree with that. Both these guys dominated college basketball during their time in it. Me personally have much higher ceilings for both esp defensively.

Agreed. The Meyers comp is not remotely close. Both Clingan and Edey are likely to have much better careers. But those two will be on the Poeltl / Nurk / Zubac tier of players.


Both Clingan and Edey possess very good BBIQ and upload speed. Meyers was among one of the slowest processors I've ever seen in the NBA. Meyers was also much more athletic than either of those players, but it still didn't stop him from looking doofy on the court most of the time. Just based on the eye test, both Clingan and Edey possess more functional athleticism than Meyers ever had.
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Post#64 » by Tim Lehrbach » Thu May 30, 2024 6:18 pm

If we draft one of those two, I hope I'm way wrong!
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Re: Grant Trade? 

Post#65 » by Blazers20 » Thu Jun 6, 2024 10:06 pm

Would Houston or Detroit be interested in a Grant & Thybulle trade?
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Post#66 » by Blazers20 » Thu Jun 6, 2024 10:08 pm

DET: Grant-Thybulle
HOU: Brogdon-Williams-Ivey
POR: 3rd Pick-5th Pick-Salary Filler-Possibly Whitmore?
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Re: Grant Trade? 

Post#67 » by TBpup » Fri Jun 7, 2024 2:33 am

Blazers20 wrote:Would Houston or Detroit be interested in a Grant & Thybulle trade?


I've heard rumblings of HOU wanting a veteran big.
Oddly, some DET fans seem to be okay with wanting Grant back.
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Re: Grant Trade? 

Post#68 » by Blazers20 » Fri Jun 7, 2024 4:47 am

I think I’ve read that Udoka had interest in Brogdon and Williams.
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Post#69 » by zzaj » Fri Jun 7, 2024 5:34 pm

There's a pretty nice piece on the locked on Blazers podcast where it goes into semi-depth on how Cronin seems to lay value on WHERE players want to go, based on basically everyone he's traded away except for Lillard.

I'm guessing that if Grant (or TL or Brogdon or Simons) does get traded it will only be to a team off of a list of their choosing.
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Re: Grant Trade? 

Post#70 » by Pattycakes » Fri Jun 7, 2024 5:51 pm

Blazers20 wrote:DET: Grant-Thybulle
HOU: Brogdon-Williams-Ivey
POR: 3rd Pick-5th Pick-Salary Filler-Possibly Whitmore?


If that’s you Jesus Santa Claus, yes please

*have Houston throw in Jabari smith to make it fairer
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Re: Grant Trade? 

Post#71 » by DusterBuster » Fri Jun 7, 2024 7:21 pm

Blazers20 wrote:I think I’ve read that Udoka had interest in Brogdon and Williams.


I do think Houston is a team to keep an eye out for. I think they’ll be a team hot to accelerate their timeline and push for the playoffs next year. So if the Blazers want to go younger and dump vets, Houston and Orlando are both teams I’d look at as willing to pay for the types of vets the Blazer could offer in Brog, Simons, Grant, Timelord, etc.

Another reason to be looking at Houston is his prev relationship with Brog and Williams from his time in Boston. Those previous relationships mean more than most people think when it comes to making trades.
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Re: Grant Trade? 

Post#72 » by Blazers20 » Fri Jun 7, 2024 7:45 pm

I agree with your comment about the prior relationship between Brogdon/Williams and Udoka. I also think Detroit could be a willing partner for a Grant trade.
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Post#73 » by Blazers20 » Fri Jun 7, 2024 7:50 pm

Patty I’ve read Ivey doesn’t fit in Detroit with Cade and it’s been repeated how awful this draft is. I think Grant-Thybulle is worth Ivey and the 5th pick. Also if Portland could trade Ivey-Brogdon-Williams for the 3rd pick that also would be enticing since Ivey could grow with the young core of Green-Smith-Dengun-Thompson-Whitmore. Both trades makes sense for all 3 teams.
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Re: Grant Trade? 

Post#74 » by Pattycakes » Sat Jun 8, 2024 12:49 am

Blazers20 wrote:Patty I’ve read Ivey doesn’t fit in Detroit with Cade and it’s been repeated how awful this draft is. I think Grant-Thybulle is worth Ivey and the 5th pick. Also if Portland could trade Ivey-Brogdon-Williams for the 3rd pick that also would be enticing since Ivey could grow with the young core of Green-Smith-Dengun-Thompson-Whitmore. Both trades makes sense for all 3 teams.


Oh I think I understand how you went about it. That makes slightly more sense.

I don’t agree Jerami is worth the 5th pick or Ivey separately even but I get it a little bit better now.

I’d say getting a future first/s for Jerami and Malcolm is our best case. I doubt two top 5 picks this year are in our universes potential but hey, I won’t fight ya if you can make it happen capn
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Re: Grant Trade? 

Post#75 » by BlazersBroncos » Sat Jun 8, 2024 1:23 am

If Grant was in DET on this deal would we trade 7 for him? Would anyone be cool with that?

Now imagine that pick is 5. DET would assume we were not having a good faith discussion if we called with that offer.
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Post#76 » by Pattycakes » Sat Jun 8, 2024 2:09 am

BlazersBroncos wrote:If Grant was in DET on this deal would we trade 7 for him? Would anyone be cool with that?

Now imagine that pick is 5. DET would assume we were not having a good faith discussion if we called with that offer.


Considering most around here act like jerami is the biggest albatross of a contract to ever play pro sports.. I don’t think he’s quite worth the 5 pick, but I think it’s somewhere in the middle, like maybe worth a 20th pick in a random draft.

We will get something of value.. just might be quite ambitious to basically expect two top 5 picks for him (Ivey can be likened to close to that). That is a leap
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Re: Grant Trade? 

Post#77 » by Jsun947 » Sat Jun 8, 2024 2:11 pm

I think Grant is probably 12th-20th pick in this draft on his current contract.

Could we trade him to OKC for the 12th pick? Probably not without the salary filler coming back.

Sacramento for Barnes, Lyles and 13th? Probably not either.

Miami in a deal for Rozier & filler + the 15th, could make sense given their roster and Martin is a free agent.

Philly straight up for the 16th?

Lakers in a deal for Rui/Vincent/Russel and the 17th? Pieces don’t really fit.

Ditto for Orlando, that’s a better Simons than Grant trade partner

Toronto timeline makes no sense as a partner

Cleveland makes a ton of sense for Grant to play the 3 or 4, contracts would depend a ton on what they do with Garland, Mitchell, or Allen but you could get there even with Niang & Levert & 20th

NO doesn’t make sense given their salaries and roster. Pho has nothing to offer, Bucks don’t have enough pieces or contracts to have it make sense, and now I’ve lost interest in other lower picks.

So I’d say Miami & Cleveland would be the most logical & reasonable options and after that I’d be looking for packages revolving around 25 & 26 future 1st instead of 24.

Regardless I think 25 & 26 are the two years we really want to bottom out so I’m all in on throwing all the vets overboard for assets in future drafts, and I couldn’t give a **** less about salary cap space for at least 3 years.
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Post#78 » by JasonStern » Sat Jun 8, 2024 3:41 pm

Grant was acquired for a late 1st as an expiring. He's locked into a long term contract now, but he's still the same player and is arguably overpaid. I cannot imagine a team trading a top 5 pick for Grant. But I could see a rookie prospect plus late 1st type of return.

The truth that most Blazers fans don't want to admit is that if our pieces had any significant positive value, it would be because they are winning pieces. And the Blazers cashed those out with the Dame/Holiday trades. Simons, Grant, Brogdon, Ayton are all complimentary pieces. No doubt that they can be moved for positive value. But the odds of any of them being moved for a high draft pick or all-star caliber player is low.
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Re: Grant Trade? 

Post#79 » by DaVoiceMaster » Sat Jun 8, 2024 3:43 pm

BlazersBroncos wrote:If Grant was in DET on this deal would we trade 7 for him? Would anyone be cool with that?

Now imagine that pick is 5. DET would assume we were not having a good faith discussion if we called with that offer.


Is Grant the difference between 14 and 5 & Fournier?
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Re: Grant Trade? 

Post#80 » by Blazers20 » Tue Jun 18, 2024 7:55 pm

If Detroit is ready to make a run at the playoffs (I believe I read the Pistons owner wants to make a run at the playoffs) wouldn’t trading Grant and Thybulle for the 5th pick closer to reaching that goal instead of drafting another rookie and developing him? Also I thought majority of the Blazer fan base thought Grant was worth at least two first round picks?

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