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Re: Sixers V Magic 12/4 ..go for 3? 

Post#61 » by Black Mage » Thu Dec 5, 2024 2:56 am

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Jailblazers7 wrote:I think Maxey’s big flaw is the he doesn’t understand how to create angles. I feel like he’s struggling to create advantageous driving/passing angles. Sometimes he’s a good enough shot maker to overcome it.


I agree, part of that is he doesn't know how to change gears mid-dribble which is what you need to create those angles.



We can discuss his piss poor 3pt shooting the last 2 days, but his playmaking has been solid just in terms of creating a look had been very strong. With either a guy not taking a shot or some other issue... Even Jared turned down an open 3 at around the 5:30 mark to give it to a fully covered Oubre.

Even Maxeys own misses have been his attempts


I think Jail and I are talking about his difficulties of late finishing around the rim. McCain just seems to make it look easier despite less speed and athleticism and that is because he changes speeds creating angles.
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Re: Sixers V Magic 12/4 ..go for 3? 

Post#62 » by eyeatoma » Thu Dec 5, 2024 2:57 am

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eyeatoma wrote:Still so confused why Jo isn't on the bench. Like you're at home
With rehab and everything, you really can't sit with your team?


Joel is required to lay in a prone position to avoid aggravating the knee. Sitting court side would require him to have his knee bent which would risk putting it under light stress and could lead to inflammation.


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Post#63 » by Mik317 » Thu Dec 5, 2024 2:58 am

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Re: Sixers V Magic 12/4 ..go for 3? 

Post#64 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Thu Dec 5, 2024 2:58 am

The tank...Is on!
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Post#65 » by 76ciology » Thu Dec 5, 2024 2:59 am

Why would you do that? Refs rarely bail you out in those type of situations.
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Re: Sixers V Magic 12/4 ..go for 3? 

Post#66 » by M2J » Thu Dec 5, 2024 2:59 am

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I agree, part of that is he doesn't know how to change gears mid-dribble which is what you need to create those angles.



We can discuss his piss poor 3pt shooting the last 2 days, but his playmaking has been solid just in terms of creating a look had been very strong. With either a guy not taking a shot or some other issue... Even Jared turned down an open 3 at around the 5:30 mark to give it to a fully covered Oubre.

Even Maxeys own misses have been his attempts


I think Jail and I are talking about his difficulties of late finishing around the rim. McCain just seems to make it look easier despite less speed and athleticism and that is because he changes speeds creating angles.

I'm talking to the one with evident agenda that even agrees with the refs not calling the intentional foul
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Post#67 » by Negrodamus » Thu Dec 5, 2024 2:59 am

Another lesson Maxey learned from Harden. It was a foul, ref should've called it, play on and take the wide open three that the Magic were giving you otherwise.
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Re: Sixers V Magic 12/4 ..go for 3? 

Post#68 » by Black Mage » Thu Dec 5, 2024 3:01 am

Honestly, both teams shot the same number of free throws; but we shot 57%. That's the ballgame. It is simply unacceptable for a team to shoot that poorly.
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Post#69 » by 76ciology » Thu Dec 5, 2024 3:02 am

M2J wrote:
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We can discuss his piss poor 3pt shooting the last 2 days, but his playmaking has been solid just in terms of creating a look had been very strong. With either a guy not taking a shot or some other issue... Even Jared turned down an open 3 at around the 5:30 mark to give it to a fully covered Oubre.

Even Maxeys own misses have been his attempts


I think Jail and I are talking about his difficulties of late finishing around the rim. McCain just seems to make it look easier despite less speed and athleticism and that is because he changes speeds creating angles.

I'm talking to the one with evident agenda that even agrees with the refs not calling the intentional foul


McCain drives to the paint to make the shot.
Maxey drives to the paint to get to the line.
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Post#70 » by Arsenal » Thu Dec 5, 2024 3:02 am

Lost this game by piss poor FT shooting, notwithstanding the garbage refs.
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Post#71 » by M2J » Thu Dec 5, 2024 3:03 am

Negrodamus wrote:Another lesson Maxey learned from Harden. It was a foul, ref should've called it, play on and take the wide open three that the Magic were giving you otherwise.


They were trying to send him to the free throw line so he couldn't take a 3... Which is why you definitely try to take the shot.

Wish he would've actually executed better for the and 1 attempt though
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Post#72 » by Black Mage » Thu Dec 5, 2024 3:04 am

I truly don't get why these players can't shoot a free throw. Jay Wright always made sure his teams as a unit had elite free throw %. It's just critical to make those freebies when given.
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Post#73 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Thu Dec 5, 2024 3:06 am

Our lack of rebounding is still a problem. The offense stalls at times as Maxey and McCain take turns trying to score. We're certainly a better team with Paul George out there, but it's not enough. We're going nowhere without Joel Embiid and he may be cooked. This is going to be a long season. There needs to be a goal in mind at this point and that goal should be a top 6 pick in the draft.
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Post#74 » by Negrodamus » Thu Dec 5, 2024 3:08 am

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Negrodamus wrote:Another lesson Maxey learned from Harden. It was a foul, ref should've called it, play on and take the wide open three that the Magic were giving you otherwise.


They were trying to send him to the free throw line so he couldn't take a 3... Which is why you definitely try to take the shot.

Wish he would've actually executed better for the and 1 attempt though


I'd love to see the success percentage (doubt anyone is tracking) of players that attempt a shot knowing the other team is going to intentionally foul and draw the 3. I'd put it under 15%. I get trying, but going to the line is better than throwing an insane runner three where you're really praying the ref is going to call the foul. Additionally, it could be argued that the foul would've been called before the shot motion had begun, so you did all of that for nothing.
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Re: Sixers V Magic 12/4 ..go for 3? 

Post#75 » by M2J » Thu Dec 5, 2024 3:17 am

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I think Jail and I are talking about his difficulties of late finishing around the rim. McCain just seems to make it look easier despite less speed and athleticism and that is because he changes speeds creating angles.

I'm talking to the one with evident agenda that even agrees with the refs not calling the intentional foul


McCain drives to the paint to make the shot.
Maxey drives to the paint to get to the line.


He makes enough to dispute that as a fact and I don't think Jared does any better at the actual rim.

Now if we're talking mid-range where Jared is far better and advanced.... I've always agreed that Maxeys biggest issue is his developing pull up game and it's inefficiency, he's basically not even taking them from mid range and his floater only when he's on fire. I wouldn't doubt that Mr. Morey has discussed his layup or 3 philosophy with him (considering his inefficiency in between). However, I can watch with anyone to show his overall floor game and creating on loo looks is solid enough and even better this year... including this game .... Which with 4 turnovers is one of his worst examples. ... Asking with a piss poor shooting game that cost them tonight
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Re: Sixers V Magic 12/4 ..go for 3? 

Post#76 » by Black Mage » Thu Dec 5, 2024 3:25 am

M2J wrote:
76ciology wrote:
M2J wrote:I'm talking to the one with evident agenda that even agrees with the refs not calling the intentional foul


McCain drives to the paint to make the shot.
Maxey drives to the paint to get to the line.


He makes enough to dispute that as a fact and I don't think Jared does any better at the actual rim.

Now if we're talking mid-range where Jared is far better and advanced.... I've always agreed that Maxeys biggest issue is his developing pull up game and it's inefficiency, he's basically not even taking them from mid range and his floater only when he's on fire. I wouldn't doubt that Mr. Morey has discussed his layup or 3 philosophy with him (considering his inefficiency in between). However, I can watch with anyone to show his overall floor game and creating on loo looks is solid enough and even better this year... including this game .... Which with 4 turnovers is one of his worst examples. ... Asking with a piss poor shooting game that cost them tonight


At least for this year, McCain is 11% better on shots 0-3 feet from the rim; 65% to 54%

3-10 feet (midrange) Maxey is actually shooting 4% better than McCain.
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Post#77 » by M2J » Thu Dec 5, 2024 3:30 am

ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:Our lack of rebounding is still a problem. The offense stalls at times as Maxey and McCain take turns trying to score. We're certainly a better team with Paul George out there, but it's not enough. We're going nowhere without Joel Embiid and he may be cooked. This is going to be a long season. There needs to be a goal in mind at this point and that goal should be a top 6 pick in the draft.



I didn't like the offensive integration with those 2, and unfortunately PG means Jared to the bench because think they perhaps rightfully have decided Yabu is starting at 4. But it does need to be more of a 2 man game with them both. Possibly the same action they run with Kyle and Maxey or the bigs. Where Jared gets it up top to either dho to Maxey or fake it and drive to make decisions and vice versa rather than the other guy spacing in the corner.

The offense with PG runs more like that and it produces.

Also a report today was that Joel is on track to return... But the tank still remains
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Post#78 » by MikRay » Thu Dec 5, 2024 3:43 am

Maxey meh

If I could rip someone off in a trade, I would certainly do it.
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Re: Sixers V Magic 12/4 ..go for 3? 

Post#79 » by ankle420breaker » Thu Dec 5, 2024 3:50 am

Such a defeated feeling as a fan knowing we had golden opportunities to trade Embiid the last two offseasons at peak superstar value, but instead waited until he's totally cooked to sign him to a max extension. The way he doesn't even show up on the bench at home games is inexcusable and fosters a losing culture.

Noel, Okafor, Markelle over Tatum, Zhaire over SGA/Mikal/MPJ, Ben Simmons, the fact that we Saqon'd Jimmy Butler (who was the f'n alpha we've been longing for since 2001), the Tobias contract, waiving Isaiah Joe, 3 year deal for PJ Tucker, and now the Joel Embiid extension.

Winning culture franchises like Boston and Miami invest in high-level basketball intellectuals throughout their front office. We're an impressively inept organization in comparison.

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Re: Sixers V Magic 12/4 ..go for 3? 

Post#80 » by MikRay » Thu Dec 5, 2024 3:56 am

ankle420breaker wrote:Such a defeated feeling as a fan knowing we had golden opportunities to trade Embiid the last two offseasons at peak superstar value, but instead waited until he's totally cooked to sign him to a max extension. The way he doesn't even show up on the bench at home games is inexcusable and fosters a losing culture.

Noel, Okafor, Markelle over Tatum, Zhaire over SGA/Mikal/MPJ, Ben Simmons, the fact that we Saqon'd Jimmy Butler (who was the f'n alpha we've been longing for since 2001), the Tobias contract, waiving Isaiah Joe, 3 year deal for PJ Tucker, and now the Joel Embiid extension.

Winning culture franchises like Boston and Miami invest in high-level basketball intellectuals throughout their front office. We're an impressively inept organization in comparison.

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I wanted Joel traded this summer. People told me I was crazy. Lol

The entire organization from the GM to Jared McCain need to be stripped down. The only player I would keep from this mess is Jared McCain - and no - Tyrese Maxey is not that good sorry to break it to you.

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