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Post#61 » by 76ciology » Sat Dec 7, 2024 4:07 am

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NYSixersFan wrote:Has the fraudulent GM spoken at all since the season started? Or is he too busy calculating what percentage this team has of winning a championship?


I heard he’s busy working for a trade for PJ Tucker


Any other former Rockets available? CP3? Trevor Ariza? Dwight Howard?


But seriously, I think he’s out of answers at this point, and this is the worst-case scenario among all probabilities.

It’s hardly Morey’s fault so far, but it will be on him if we push to compete, fail to win a championship, or at least make it past the second round—especially when we currently have a strong chance to secure a top-6 pick and potentially land a franchise-changing player.
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Post#62 » by MikRay » Sat Dec 7, 2024 4:11 am

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What happened? 20 game slump?


Tyrese Maxey might be the most overrated player in the NBA
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Post#63 » by Mik317 » Sat Dec 7, 2024 4:23 am

naw its very much Morey's fault.

one of his first non Paul George signing was a washed Eric Gordon. Then a washed Lowry. And a washed Drummond. Then he added a dude with a **** up shoulder. Yabu and McCain were the only good moves currently. You get one or two misses but at some point its just you lacking vision. Morey's whole gameplan is to stack all stars and hope they can carry no matter what. He constantly ignores the little things that add up imo.

Yeah I am sure he didn't expect Biid to be dead. I will give him that. But IMO even if Biid wasn't this team still lacks passers and real shooters, those are things that Maxey and Biid thrive off of and was the reason we lost in the playoffs. His answer was that PG would just do all of that because he is an all star and thats how that works. When the reality is that while he can shoot, create, pass a bit...he isn't great enough at them for it to make up for the lack of it elsewhere.

Again tbf a lot of this is def in hindsight but that's why these guys get paid the big bucks. Like Nurse...there is no real creativity in this FO every move reads like hey I know that guy...go get him. Even Yabu, despite Morey's lies only got signed because of his Olympics performance. McCain was a 5 Star recruit.... it just reeks of looking at lists imo.

Morey isn't the main reason this season is ass. But he is top 3
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Post#64 » by 76ciology » Sat Dec 7, 2024 5:00 am

Mik3,

Drummond, Reggie, and Eric Gordon were all performing well as starters last season. They’re far from washed. Honestly, the blame mostly falls on Maxey underperforming, George dealing with two knee injuries and a slow start, and Embiid having to play for Team USA despite his knee not being at 100%.

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Post#65 » by zaz102 » Sat Dec 7, 2024 5:16 am

Mik317 wrote:naw its very much Morey's fault.

one of his first non Paul George signing was a washed Eric Gordon. Then a washed Lowry. And a washed Drummond. Then he added a dude with a **** up shoulder. Yabu and McCain were the only good moves currently. You get one or two misses but at some point its just you lacking vision. Morey's whole gameplan is to stack all stars and hope they can carry no matter what. He constantly ignores the little things that add up imo.

Yeah I am sure he didn't expect Biid to be dead. I will give him that. But IMO even if Biid wasn't this team still lacks passers and real shooters, those are things that Maxey and Biid thrive off of and was the reason we lost in the playoffs. His answer was that PG would just do all of that because he is an all star and thats how that works. When the reality is that while he can shoot, create, pass a bit...he isn't great enough at them for it to make up for the lack of it elsewhere.

Again tbf a lot of this is def in hindsight but that's why these guys get paid the big bucks. Like Nurse...there is no real creativity in this FO every move reads like hey I know that guy...go get him. Even Yabu, despite Morey's lies only got signed because of his Olympics performance. McCain was a 5 Star recruit.... it just reeks of looking at lists imo.

Morey isn't the main reason this season is ass. But he is top 3
I think you're a little harsh on Morey. I'd be interested to hear what you would have done differently to compete.

IMO, signing PG was still better than trading for Ingram or signing a couple decent role players like KCP and DDR (if they even had the money to sign both). PG is much more conducive to winning in the playoffs than the rest of these guys.

The minimums are going to be hit or miss which is why they're minimums. There were only a couple guys on minimums that were a step up and they waited until later to sign and certainly were not a guarantee.

I remember hearing from the top Sixers podcasts that they didn't think the Sixers had a shot at Yabuselle and that the McCain pick was a bad one for this team with Maxey.

I think Oubre and Caleb Martin were decent signings. The Caleb injury sucks, but let's not act like they threw away money like signing Melton or something.

The big problem is the injuries and obviously the biggest one being Embiid. If I were to blame Morey for anything it would be for extending Embiid now. IMO, if it gets to the point to blow it up because of Embiid's health, he's the only anchor.

If they blow it up or shake it up, they still have draft capital, PG has trade value, Oubre and all the minimums can be gone at the end of the year by either trade or FA, they have two young studs in Maxey and McCain to kickstart a rebuild. Caleb Martin could potentially be the only bad contract if he's done, but I think it's too early to tell and his contract isnt that bad. If Embiid can't return to form, he's the only truly negative contract.

For Embiid, Morey would have to take the blame, but this is why I don't see the other moves as that bad. These players would fit well around Embiid. Problem is... no Embiid.
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Post#66 » by mjkvol » Sat Dec 7, 2024 5:45 am

First game I've watched in a while. I don't even know what to think about this situation, because while tanking is clearly the best route to take, the team without Embiid is too good to have a bottom 5-6 record, but isn't anything more than a play-in team.

I was dead set against the George signing, but to me Morey did a respectable job of building out a team from there that with a healthy Embiid might have had a shot at competing. The Embiid extension was the death blow, and if the Sixers had even an inkling that his knee was as bad as it appears to be, that is the height of management malpractice.

So right now we just appear to be f***ked again, kind of in no man's land. I don't think they will commit to a tank, which should result in a pretty dreary season and an off season where we watch OKC enjoy the fruits of our 'labor'.
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Post#67 » by Mik317 » Sat Dec 7, 2024 6:09 am

Eric Gordon is very much washed. Drummond slowing down is the only move I'd give him a pass on as I didn't think he'd be this bad. But the fact that Gordon is out of the rotation even with injuries says it all IMO. Thats a waste of a roster spot. There is just a lack of creativity on display and its Morey's old tactic of going back to his roladex instead of finding the randoms that seem to always kill us like a Jay Huff

If it was up to me (be greatful it isn't lol) I would have made it so PG is the only addition over 30. IDK if I would have done the Martin deal tbf. And would have taken more flyers on young guys who are fine with just chucking 3s. Would have also used either the Martin or Oubre deals to get a real passer that way when/if Biid sits, the offense doesn't stagnate as much due to still having a dude who can pass the ball. Maxey off ball is his best skill and it is why he thrives next to Biid, who isn't even a great passer...said passer would also make it so our "shooters" don't always have to attempt to do more than that

again IDK who was realistically available so maybe this was it but even then, I wouldn't have brought Lowry back. Wouldn't have signed Gordon. And would have used the Martin or Oubre spots on either a bigger wing, a real shooter or a real passer. Would that have made up for the early injuries? Hell no but I also don't think we would have the record we currently have either. 3pt shooting variance is what gets you sneaky wins and we don't have that.

I don't have all the answers but the offseason being this bad is exactly what I feared and if I was a bigger **** I'd be going I TOLD YOU SO so bad lol.
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Post#68 » by M2J » Sat Dec 7, 2024 6:15 am

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Mik317 wrote:naw its very much Morey's fault.

one of his first non Paul George signing was a washed Eric Gordon. Then a washed Lowry. And a washed Drummond. Then he added a dude with a **** up shoulder. Yabu and McCain were the only good moves currently. You get one or two misses but at some point its just you lacking vision. Morey's whole gameplan is to stack all stars and hope they can carry no matter what. He constantly ignores the little things that add up imo.

Yeah I am sure he didn't expect Biid to be dead. I will give him that. But IMO even if Biid wasn't this team still lacks passers and real shooters, those are things that Maxey and Biid thrive off of and was the reason we lost in the playoffs. His answer was that PG would just do all of that because he is an all star and thats how that works. When the reality is that while he can shoot, create, pass a bit...he isn't great enough at them for it to make up for the lack of it elsewhere.

Again tbf a lot of this is def in hindsight but that's why these guys get paid the big bucks. Like Nurse...there is no real creativity in this FO every move reads like hey I know that guy...go get him. Even Yabu, despite Morey's lies only got signed because of his Olympics performance. McCain was a 5 Star recruit.... it just reeks of looking at lists imo.

Morey isn't the main reason this season is ass. But he is top 3
I think you're a little harsh on Morey. I'd be interested to hear what you would have done differently to compete.

IMO, signing PG was still better than trading for Ingram or signing a couple decent role players like KCP and DDR (if they even had the money to sign both). PG is much more conducive to winning in the playoffs than the rest of these guys.

The minimums are going to be hit or miss which is why they're minimums. There were only a couple guys on minimums that were a step up and they waited until later to sign and certainly were not a guarantee.

I remember hearing from the top Sixers podcasts that they didn't think the Sixers had a shot at Yabuselle and that the McCain pick was a bad one for this team with Maxey.

I think Oubre and Caleb Martin were decent signings. The Caleb injury sucks, but let's not act like they threw away money like signing Melton or something.

The big problem is the injuries and obviously the biggest one being Embiid. If I were to blame Morey for anything it would be for extending Embiid now. IMO, if it gets to the point to blow it up because of Embiid's health, he's the only anchor.

If they blow it up or shake it up, they still have draft capital, PG has trade value, Oubre and all the minimums can be gone at the end of the year by either trade or FA, they have two young studs in Maxey and McCain to kickstart a rebuild. Caleb Martin could potentially be the only bad contract if he's done, but I think it's too early to tell and his contract isnt that bad. If Embiid can't return to form, he's the only truly negative contract.

For Embiid, Morey would have to take the blame, but this is why I don't see the other moves as that bad. These players would fit well around Embiid. Problem is... no Embiid.



I was the biggest Morey detractor in terms of him being an elite GM, and I'm not saying he is... Definitely solid. I can go over a ton of moves, and I was against his off-season plan mainly because I foresaw a situation that a big 3 with a 35 year old could create. Big 3s on actual Max contracts in this cba but really always typically have depth issues and flawed role players. The flawed role players is definitely a thing, but this big 3 are 3 reigning all star guys (1 prime years MVP) that can play on ball and off ball and run action together effectively from different positions, and can shoot...I credit him for executing his flawed plan to near perfection. I hope I'm proven wrong, but unfortunately the biggest flaw seems to be the best player health.

George hasn't had catastrophic injury thankfully. Looks solid when healthy.

Drafted Jared.

Even though he brought in old guys, ideally they would only need to fill in sparingly when there's an injury.

Brought in Yabu.

Even with the old guys, he brought in Oubre Caleb and Drummond in they're general athletic primes and Drummond isn't as bad as the lack of Joel makes him look, especially considering he's better with Yabu

Drafted Jared.

On paper...Versatility that could play small with Yabu at 5, traditional....or big with Yabu at 4


Don't know what happened with giving Joel an extension when that didn't need to be decided until later, but that could be killer if he doesn't recover. Though I think they could've prevented the extension(it's something that could kill Morey legacy and Harris too)....I won't blame them for thinking you could build around him for 2 years after how last season went and the team is fully built around him, but in terms of building around him for a couple years theoretically.... It was well done in terms of a big 3 execution because I never thought they could add the depth and versatility in 1 off season with that much money locked up between 3 guys.


Theoretically on paper..... For a big 3.
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Post#69 » by Arsenal » Sat Dec 7, 2024 12:51 pm

Our Big 3 fit together great. All 3 can play on-ball, or off-ball. PG just showed you clowns he can be the primary playmaker against a very tough defense with 9 assists vs Orlando, picking up the slack for a bad Maxey game.

In fact, this team would be on a 5-game winning streak right now if PG hadn't missed a couple games with injury and load management. With him healthy this is a solid playoff team.

And IF Embiid can get healthy, then we're a real contender. Obviously that's the big question.
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Post#70 » by mjkvol » Sat Dec 7, 2024 2:01 pm

Mik317 wrote:Eric Gordon is very much washed. Drummond slowing down is the only move I'd give him a pass on as I didn't think he'd be this bad. But the fact that Gordon is out of the rotation even with injuries says it all IMO. Thats a waste of a roster spot. There is just a lack of creativity on display and its Morey's old tactic of going back to his roladex instead of finding the randoms that seem to always kill us like a Jay Huff

If it was up to me (be greatful it isn't lol) I would have made it so PG is the only addition over 30. IDK if I would have done the Martin deal tbf. And would have taken more flyers on young guys who are fine with just chucking 3s. Would have also used either the Martin or Oubre deals to get a real passer that way when/if Biid sits, the offense doesn't stagnate as much due to still having a dude who can pass the ball. Maxey off ball is his best skill and it is why he thrives next to Biid, who isn't even a great passer...said passer would also make it so our "shooters" don't always have to attempt to do more than that

again IDK who was realistically available so maybe this was it but even then, I wouldn't have brought Lowry back. Wouldn't have signed Gordon. And would have used the Martin or Oubre spots on either a bigger wing, a real shooter or a real passer. Would that have made up for the early injuries? Hell no but I also don't think we would have the record we currently have either. 3pt shooting variance is what gets you sneaky wins and we don't have that.

I don't have all the answers but the offseason being this bad is exactly what I feared and if I was a bigger **** I'd be going I TOLD YOU SO so bad lol.


Agree completely on the washed guards, but Drummond only looks this bad because he's playing more than the 12 or so minutes he was signed to play. Martin is most valuable as a jack of all trades role player on a good team - here he is out of his element as a guy counted on to score the ball and help carry the team. Oubre is completely superfluous, and was a waste to bring back once George and Martin were here.

The thing that gets me is that as creative as Morey can be in the draft and at times with trades, he is so utterly lazy and unimaginative when looking for free agents. Like you said - pull out the rolodex and call 'the usual suspects'.

This is honestly the first time since The Process that I feel like it is officially over for the Embiid era. Well, I did feel that way somewhat before Morey got us out of the Horford-Simmons mess, but this is more hopeless because the only real answer is to raise the white flag and surrender, but I have no confidence the organization would allow that to happen.
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Post#71 » by Negrodamus » Sat Dec 7, 2024 3:18 pm

My hot take is that Morey is still good. I align with his evaluation of players, but I think he has an issue with fit. But honestly, I’ll take that over what many of our GMs have done over the years.
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Post#72 » by Zumramania » Sat Dec 7, 2024 3:56 pm

We have one of the lowest 3pt percentages in the league and guess which team has the lowest. Orlando haha. But this game was a good sign. Joel is a big problem, if he is not healthy this year, then what do we do?
Morey is good, but I think he overvalues veterans like Eric Gordon, Reggie Jackson and so on - he is not taking into account that they may fall off a cliff at any point.
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Post#73 » by Iscull » Sat Dec 7, 2024 4:06 pm

Negrodamus wrote:My hot take is that Morey is still good. I align with his evaluation of players, but I think he has an issue with fit. But honestly, I’ll take that over what many of our GMs have done over the years.


Agreed.

Essentially, Embiid / PG’s injuries have pulled as back along with Drummond and Gordon’s play falling off a cliff.

We need youth, shooting, and health to come back.
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Post#74 » by TYO23 » Sat Dec 7, 2024 7:31 pm

PG has been so good the last two games.

Need Rese to figure it out. Would love to see 21 come back but yeah…

Not sure we should look to move KJ over Caleb
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Post#75 » by the_process » Sat Dec 7, 2024 8:45 pm

So this team is going to refuse to tank and win 33 games, huh?

IMO the reason why Morey does not get a PG is because he would be wasted here. Embiid needs stationary targets to pass to, and the whole offense is built on him. And they aren't going to build a backup roster to play a completely different style.

But Morey does spend way too much time with his outdated formulas.
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Post#76 » by Eyeamok » Sat Dec 7, 2024 9:46 pm

mjkvol wrote:First game I've watched in a while. I don't even know what to think about this situation, because while tanking is clearly the best route to take, the team without Embiid is too good to have a bottom 5-6 record, but isn't anything more than a play-in team.

I was dead set against the George signing, but to me Morey did a respectable job of building out a team from there that with a healthy Embiid might have had a shot at competing. The Embiid extension was the death blow, and if the Sixers had even an inkling that his knee was as bad as it appears to be, that is the height of management malpractice.

So right now we just appear to be f***ked again, kind of in no man's land. I don't think they will commit to a tank, which should result in a pretty dreary season and an off season where we watch OKC enjoy the fruits of our 'labor'.


I had words like this floating around in my head but just could not put them into coherent sentences the way you did. This is exactly how I feel. But I've been wrong before. Excellent post.
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Post#77 » by Eyeamok » Sat Dec 7, 2024 10:06 pm

Arsenal wrote:Our Big 3 fit together great. All 3 can play on-ball, or off-ball. PG just showed you clowns he can be the primary playmaker against a very tough defense with 9 assists vs Orlando, picking up the slack for a bad Maxey game.

In fact, this team would be on a 5-game winning streak right now if PG hadn't missed a couple games with injury and load management. With him healthy this is a solid playoff team.

And IF Embiid can get healthy, then we're a real contender. Obviously that's the big question.


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Post#78 » by the_process » Sun Dec 8, 2024 12:28 am

Arsenal wrote:Our Big 3 fit together great. All 3 can play on-ball, or off-ball. PG just showed you clowns he can be the primary playmaker against a very tough defense with 9 assists vs Orlando, picking up the slack for a bad Maxey game.

In fact, this team would be on a 5-game winning streak right now if PG hadn't missed a couple games with injury and load management. With him healthy this is a solid playoff team.

And IF Embiid can get healthy, then we're a real contender. Obviously that's the big question.


Even with healthy Embiid, no.

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