Around the NBA - 2024-25 Season Continued

[FrozenEnvelope]

I'm loving the Jimmy Butthole drama in Miami! My both sides make each other miserable!!

[HopelessKnick]

I'm loving the Jimmy Butthole drama in Miami! My both sides make each other miserable!!

On the one hand yes, on the other hand keep fingers crossed that none of the contenders gets him for cheap. Under the new CBA teams seem to inclined to look at costs etc. more in a trade than what they get in return. Hopefully he is traded out west and then not to OKC or Dallas.

[Wildcat]

These all-star ballots are disappointing if you're a JB fan. How the **** are losers like Lillard and Ball leading the way.

[spree2kawhi]

These all-star ballots are disappointing if you're a JB fan. How the **** are losers like Lillard and Ball leading the way.

Good, then he’ll be the Finals MVP. Writing’s on the wall.

[HopelessKnick]

How does Jordan Poole make the top 10? Happy to see that both JB and KAT are going to make it (KAT very strong at 3) but I really think they should let the coaches make all picks...or coaches and media combined. They fans have proved to be just pretty irresponsible with their votes.

Although I'm supper happy for KAT it is unclear to me how he can get more than double the votes that JB gets.....doesn't NY have like around 20 million inhabitants or so....and isn't it said that the Knicks have many fans around the country? How can JB get so few votes...?

Ja Morant and Jordan Poole are pretty close in the votes and Poole has more votes than Booker, Fox or White

[HopelessKnick]

These all-star ballots are disappointing if you're a JB fan. How the **** are losers like Lillard and Ball leading the way.

The only real explanation I can gobble together is that a huge chunk of the online voting is done by 5-18 year olds....like more casual fans that only like to look at some highlight plays and stats and don't grasp much of the game. Maybe more experienced, sensible fans with some sense of fairness simply can't really get up to vote nowadays...

The same pattern repeating itself: Household names and highlight guys...

I would like to see the voting split up by age groups..

[Wildcat]

These all-star ballots are disappointing if you're a JB fan. How the **** are losers like Lillard and Ball leading the way.

The only real explanation I can gobble together is that a huge chunk of the online voting is done by 5-18 year olds....like more casual fans that only like to look at some highlight plays and stats and don't grasp much of the game. Maybe more experienced, sensible fans with some sense of fairness simply can't really get up to vote nowadays...

The same pattern repeating itself: Household names and highlight guys...

I would like to see the voting split up by age groups..

That would be something, wouldn't it? I can see Ball stuff, but I can't see a justification for Lillard, though. Like, is he still a household name?

[HopelessKnick]

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Hope they ship him to Siberia aka Washington

Brooklyn look like a destination - they are really very stupid. Houston and OKC have picks too, but the latter can’t match salaries. GSW will try to outbid any offers and could obviously send Kuminga. Personally, I think Wiggins is better than Butler atm though. Denver need him even though he doesn’t shoot, but can’t offer anything anyway. Same goes for Milwaukee, Phoenix and most other teams trying to get over the top.

Yeah I took a look around and it won't be easy to aggregate salaries as Butler makes 48million. It is also unclear what the Heat would view as a bad contract....one possible fit seems to be a trade with Denver around MPJ...

[Wildcat]

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All this because he was busy running his mouth in the offseason and didn't get his extension. I find it hard not to side with Pat on this one.

[Jalen Bluntson]

These all-star ballots are disappointing if you're a JB fan. How the **** are losers like Lillard and Ball leading the way.

The only real explanation I can gobble together is that a huge chunk of the online voting is done by 5-18 year olds....like more casual fans that only like to look at some highlight plays and stats and don't grasp much of the game. Maybe more experienced, sensible fans with some sense of fairness simply can't really get up to vote nowadays...

The same pattern repeating itself: Household names and highlight guys...

I would like to see the voting split up by age groups..

That would be something, wouldn't it? I can see Ball stuff,



but I can't see a justification for Lillard, though. Like, is he still a household name?

[spree2kawhi]

Hope they ship him to Siberia aka Washington

Brooklyn look like a destination - they are really very stupid. Houston and OKC have picks too, but the latter can’t match salaries. GSW will try to outbid any offers and could obviously send Kuminga. Personally, I think Wiggins is better than Butler atm though. Denver need him even though he doesn’t shoot, but can’t offer anything anyway. Same goes for Milwaukee, Phoenix and most other teams trying to get over the top.

Yeah I took a look around and it won't be easy to aggregate salaries as Butler makes 48million. It is also unclear what the Heat would view as a bad contract....one possible fit seems to be a trade with Denver around MPJ...

After losing Butler, what is Miami looking at? They’re then reduced to rubble and MPJ, or at least his contract, makes that situation even worse imo.

[HopelessKnick]

These all-star ballots are disappointing if you're a JB fan. How the **** are losers like Lillard and Ball leading the way.

The only real explanation I can gobble together is that a huge chunk of the online voting is done by 5-18 year olds....like more casual fans that only like to look at some highlight plays and stats and don't grasp much of the game. Maybe more experienced, sensible fans with some sense of fairness simply can't really get up to vote nowadays...

The same pattern repeating itself: Household names and highlight guys...

I would like to see the voting split up by age groups..

That would be something, wouldn't it? I can see Ball stuff, but I can't see a justification for Lillard, though. Like, is he still a household name?

I could picture , say a 14/15 year old that started watching the NBA casually 10 years ago at the age of 4 or 5 and saw some of the insane games and playoff games by Lillard and how he carried the Blazers to the playoffs every year....today that guy may watch some highlights here and there and see the occasional 30+ point game and think Lillard is still at that level....like someone that has nor real grasp on how Lillard has declined, let alone how his lack of defense impacts the Bucks etc....he looks up the stats and to him Lillard is still getting 25/8 so all is good....

[Capn'O]

Kuminga is an inconsequential NBA player. Golden State have held on to him for far too long.

If they can package him and other pieces for Jimmy, they should absolutely do it.

Do you see him like RJ?

I like him a little more than that to meet his potential because he actually has the physical chops to be dominant. He does need the game to slow down for him to become more consistent. But check his December splits.

[Montmorencie]

Kuminga is an inconsequential NBA player. Golden State have held on to him for far too long.

If they can package him and other pieces for Jimmy, they should absolutely do it.

Do you see him like RJ?

I like him a little more than that to meet his potential because he actually has the physical chops to be dominant. He does need the game to slow down for him to become more consistent. But check his December splits.

In the right environment he can be a nice complimentary piece. Reminds me a lot of Aaron Gordon. Let him cut, jump high, play hard and abuse the dunker spot off some great teammate that actually draws attention - he can be that. But nothing more.

[Capn'O]

Kuminga is an inconsequential NBA player. Golden State have held on to him for far too long.

If they can package him and other pieces for Jimmy, they should absolutely do it.

Do you see him like RJ?

I like him a little more than that to meet his potential because he actually has the physical chops to be dominant. He does need the game to slow down for him to become more consistent. But check his December splits.

In the right environment he can be a nice complimentary piece. Reminds me a lot of Aaron Gordon. Let him cut, jump high, play hard and abuse the dunker spot off some great teammate that actually draws attention - he can be that. But nothing more.

Gordon's an excellent archtype but I think he's a little more diverse offensively. He's got some moves off the dribble that Gordon couldn't have done and that opens up more for him. He's already eclipsing Gordon's career highs for two straight seasons. Less power, more finesse. That said, as his BAF owner, I'd be pleasantly surprised if he ever matched Gordon's defense.

[dakomish23]

K. Durant - B. Beal - J. Nurkić - T. Jones - D. Booker
10 games
112 mins
103.7 ORTG
119.8 DRTG
-16.0 NRTG

K. Durant - J. Nurkić - T. Jones - D. Booker - R. O'Neale
11 games
74 mins
122.3 ORTG
91.8 DRTG
30.5 NRTG

[Capn'O]

K. Durant - B. Beal - J. Nurkić - T. Jones - D. Booker
10 games
112 mins
103.7 ORTG
119.8 DRTG
-16.0 NRTG

K. Durant - J. Nurkić - T. Jones - D. Booker - R. O'Neale
11 games
74 mins
122.3 ORTG
91.8 DRTG
30.5 NRTG

Maybe Mat Ishbia was eating a sandwich and Jones mistook "O'Neale" for "Beal."

Getting another Ball dominant possession eater like Beal was exactly what they didn't need. Oh wellsky.

[kNicksGmen]

just wanted to say Butler is mid and nobody should care where he goes

[Wildcat]

just wanted to say Butler is mid and nobody should care where he goes

True. Between PG13, Lillard, I guess Beal to an extend, it shows you can just try to plug and play a big 3 with an aging ball dominant player. I see no real chemistry between Joel and PG13 or Maxey and PG13. Particularly the latter because they are ball dominant. I think Jimmy doesn't need the ball to be effective.

[spree2kawhi]

I’m not putting this into the sh*t-thread because I think it does make some sense:

Butler for a package of Randle and fillers. Teams would still double the sh*t out of Edwards, but hey… Conley, Ant, Butler, Reid, Gobert looks good on paper.

As for Miami, a starting five of Rozier, Herro, McDaniels, Randle, Adebayo might be better than the trash they’re currently rolling out.