Magic reportedly eyeing Deaaron Fox trade, preparing for instant title contention

[The-Stallion70]

Yes, it did say that. So while you're bickering about others bickering, maybe read the article.

Clearly I'm not on your reading level...can you patiently show me where, exactly, in the article you posted, that it says anything about Fox listing ORL as a possibility, let alone preference?

Crickets...that's what I thought

TionYou are asking if Fox "named Orlando as a place he'd like to go, so youre asking if fox has requested a trade. Obviously that didn't happen if it did it would be on the front page of the news.

The report is that it is "rumored" which is pretty solid evidence in itself if its Sam Amick. The fact that we are even mentioned with the Miami and Lakers markets shows how players view us and stars want to play with Franz and Paolo.

[Skybox]

Clearly I'm not on your reading level...can you patiently show me where, exactly, in the article you posted, that it says anything about Fox listing ORL as a possibility, let alone preference?

Crickets...that's what I thought

TionYou are asking if Fox "named Orlando as a place he'd like to go, so youre asking if fox has requested a trade. Obviously that didn't happen if it did it would be on the front page of the news.

The report is that it is "rumored" which is pretty solid evidence in itself if its Sam Amick. The fact that we are even mentioned with the Miami and Lakers markets shows how players view us and stars want to play with Franz and Paolo.

[MasterGMer]

Clearly I'm not on your reading level...can you patiently show me where, exactly, in the article you posted, that it says anything about Fox listing ORL as a possibility, let alone preference?

Crickets...that's what I thought

TionYou are asking if Fox "named Orlando as a place he'd like to go, so youre asking if fox has requested a trade. Obviously that didn't happen if it did it would be on the front page of the news.

The report is that it is "rumored" which is pretty solid evidence in itself if its Sam Amick. The fact that we are even mentioned with the Miami and Lakers markets shows how players view us and stars want to play with Franz and Paolo.

Apparently my reading comprehension is low too. But where in the article did it say Fox regards Orlando as one of the destinations?


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[CalOrl11]

Not sure we need another primary ball handler who isn't a great 3 point shooter

[JF5]

I was concerned about the three ball dominant stars thing but the Magic are about to be capped out anyways with Franz and Paolo contracts so we may as well put our chips into the middle.

This team is fine though... you got Star 2 point Forwards and a really good roster around them, that is 1-2 good role players away from competing for a title.

If you trade for a De'Aaron Fox you gut the team for a guy who plays very similar to your other stars. Cuts down your versatility/compromise the defensive identity and you're consistently one injury away from the team being mediocre for the lack of depth/versatility.

You see this team now with its depth still competing out here on a night-to-night basis with the better teams without its 2 stars. That means the surrounding pieces are good enough. That's why completely gutting the team for one guy makes no sense to me. You just add a playmaking/scoring wing and reliable 3&D guy off the bench + better offensive scheme in the following season they should be contenders.

Now you're argument makes absolutely zero sense. Boston just won the title with basically four all stars and essentially perfected the style started by the Warriors.

The Magic need more than two role players, we got one of them last offseason his name is KCP.

We still need a talent upgrade to bring the overall ceiling of the team higher and the way to do that is by consolidating assets for another all star. Fox isn't a great outside shooter but he's still better than Black abd generates more space than all of our guards.

That Celtics team is going to be gutted in a year when Tatum is going to get his Supermax. Did you forget the new CBA?

On top of that the Magic match-up well against the Celtics given their size and length. It to me is a similar match-up like the 2018 Warriors/Rockets series where the Rockets could've defeated the Warriors if Paul doesn't get hurt and the team doesn't chuck up so many 3s in game 7.

You add in the fact that Paolo and Franz turn into top 10 players next year and it becomes a matchup that is very intriguing.

[The-Stallion70]

This team is fine though... you got Star 2 point Forwards and a really good roster around them, that is 1-2 good role players away from competing for a title.

If you trade for a De'Aaron Fox you gut the team for a guy who plays very similar to your other stars. Cuts down your versatility/compromise the defensive identity and you're consistently one injury away from the team being mediocre for the lack of depth/versatility.

You see this team now with its depth still competing out here on a night-to-night basis with the better teams without its 2 stars. That means the surrounding pieces are good enough. That's why completely gutting the team for one guy makes no sense to me. You just add a playmaking/scoring wing and reliable 3&D guy off the bench + better offensive scheme in the following season they should be contenders.

Now you're argument makes absolutely zero sense. Boston just won the title with basically four all stars and essentially perfected the style started by the Warriors.

The Magic need more than two role players, we got one of them last offseason his name is KCP.

We still need a talent upgrade to bring the overall ceiling of the team higher and the way to do that is by consolidating assets for another all star. Fox isn't a great outside shooter but he's still better than Black abd generates more space than all of our guards.

That Celtics team is going to be gutted in a year when Tatum is going to get his Supermax. Did you forget the new CBA?

On top of that the Magic match-up well against the Celtics given their size and length. It to me is a similar match-up like the 2018 Warriors/Rockets series where the Rockets could've defeated the Warriors if Paul doesn't get hurt and the team doesn't chuck up so many 3s in game 7.

You add in the fact that Paolo and Franz turn into top 10 players next year and it becomes a matchup that is very intriguing.

I am not making a direct comparison to Boston, you are kinda runnin with that one for no reason there sailor.

What is it about the CBA that would impact the ability to keep or retain 3 stars as your implying?

[JF5]

Now you're argument makes absolutely zero sense. Boston just won the title with basically four all stars and essentially perfected the style started by the Warriors.

The Magic need more than two role players, we got one of them last offseason his name is KCP.

We still need a talent upgrade to bring the overall ceiling of the team higher and the way to do that is by consolidating assets for another all star. Fox isn't a great outside shooter but he's still better than Black abd generates more space than all of our guards.

That Celtics team is going to be gutted in a year when Tatum is going to get his Supermax. Did you forget the new CBA?

On top of that the Magic match-up well against the Celtics given their size and length. It to me is a similar match-up like the 2018 Warriors/Rockets series where the Rockets could've defeated the Warriors if Paul doesn't get hurt and the team doesn't chuck up so many 3s in game 7.

You add in the fact that Paolo and Franz turn into top 10 players next year and it becomes a matchup that is very intriguing.

I am not making a direct comparison to Boston, you are kinda runnin with that one for no reason there sailor.

What is it about the CBA that would impact the ability to keep or retain 3 stars as your implying?

You just made a direct comparison to Boston saying they had 4 Allstars. What was the point of even bringing them up if you're saying this team needs more Star power?

The new CBA when implemented is essentially a CBA where if you cross that secondary threshold you pay an insane tax. I can see bigger markets swallowing that tax MAYBE if the ROI it brings in the justifiable revenue for those teams like the Celtics or Lakers. But for smaller markets like the Thunder or Magic where they don't have a LeBron-esque megastar no owner for those teams would even test it.

It's a really hefty Tax.

[Orlando Dawg]

From what I read there is no “tax” at all
There is just increased trade and signing restrictionss.
The Magic can have as many max players as they can get and pay nothing extra.

[meatwad4343]

This front office seems so risk averse I can't imagine them making any trades any time soon let alone something as franchise altering as this

[basketballRob]

This front office seems so risk averse I can't imagine them making any trades any time soon let alone something as franchise altering as this

They could make one to cut salaries next season. We'd probably need to offer draft compensation to get a team to take Cole's contract, but they could put us under the first apron.

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[The-Stallion70]

That Celtics team is going to be gutted in a year when Tatum is going to get his Supermax. Did you forget the new CBA?

On top of that the Magic match-up well against the Celtics given their size and length. It to me is a similar match-up like the 2018 Warriors/Rockets series where the Rockets could've defeated the Warriors if Paul doesn't get hurt and the team doesn't chuck up so many 3s in game 7.

You add in the fact that Paolo and Franz turn into top 10 players next year and it becomes a matchup that is very intriguing.

I am not making a direct comparison to Boston, you are kinda runnin with that one for no reason there sailor.

What is it about the CBA that would impact the ability to keep or retain 3 stars as your implying?

You just made a direct comparison to Boston saying they had 4 Allstars. What was the point of even bringing them up if you're saying this team needs more Star power?

The new CBA when implemented is essentially a CBA where if you cross that secondary threshold you pay an insane tax. I can see bigger markets swallowing that tax MAYBE if the ROI it brings in the justifiable revenue for those teams like the Celtics or Lakers. But for smaller markets like the Thunder or Magic where they don't have a LeBron-esque megastar no owner for those teams would even test it.

It's a really hefty Tax.

The luxury tax has had an exponential component for a while how is the new one much different? And if it is, do you really think it's going to be high enough to deter teams from going too far over it with the new money coming in? They likely had to raise the luxury tax just to keep the disincentive pressure at the level it has been at. You are likely forgetting that part.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10126009-how-the-nbas-second-apron-and-new-cba-rules-could-change-team-building#:~:text=The%20biggest%20change%20was%20the,subject%20to%20the%20repeater%20tax.

If these changes are what you're discussing then that is even more incentive a trade for a star now because if we don't we still won't be able to make many changes to the team.

[JF5]

I am not making a direct comparison to Boston, you are kinda runnin with that one for no reason there sailor.

What is it about the CBA that would impact the ability to keep or retain 3 stars as your implying?

You just made a direct comparison to Boston saying they had 4 Allstars. What was the point of even bringing them up if you're saying this team needs more Star power?

The new CBA when implemented is essentially a CBA where if you cross that secondary threshold you pay an insane tax. I can see bigger markets swallowing that tax MAYBE if the ROI it brings in the justifiable revenue for those teams like the Celtics or Lakers. But for smaller markets like the Thunder or Magic where they don't have a LeBron-esque megastar no owner for those teams would even test it.

It's a really hefty Tax.

The luxury tax has had an exponential component for a while how is the new one much different? And if it is, do you really think it's going to be high enough to deter teams from going too far over it with the new money coming in? They likely had to raise the luxury tax just to keep the disincentive pressure at the level it has been at. You are likely forgetting that part.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10126009-how-the-nbas-second-apron-and-new-cba-rules-could-change-team-building#:~:text=The%20biggest%20change%20was%20the,subject%20to%20the%20repeater%20tax.

If these changes are what you're discussing then that is even more incentive a trade for a star now because if we don't we still won't be able to make many changes to the team.

You're correct in some aspects of the new CBA and also another poster corrected me as well. Restrictions on building your roster and having to pay a Lux tax is not something I think this organization wants long term.

To me in today's modern NBA if you have 3 Stars who all do the samething it restricts how versatile your team can be whilst also handicapping you general.

The biggest example of this is the Suns. Where Beal/Booker/Durant all play the same exact way and their depth is absolutely horrible and the last few years the team hasn't looked so super.

And also at the same time you're trading for a PG who is a top 15 player in the league. You're not JUST trading someone like Suggs away. You're also trading a combination of Anthony Black or Da Silva and Jonathan Issac or Goga Bitadze and a few draft picks.

Does that move look good at that point? Not to me it doesn't.

Again, 3 ball dominate guys who are below average 3 point shooters who do most of their damage 20 feet in the arc. Surrounded by 1 competent 3-Point shooter with a lack of depth/shooting to surround them to open up their games. Doesn't sound like a recipe of a very strong offense.

[The-Stallion70]

You just made a direct comparison to Boston saying they had 4 Allstars. What was the point of even bringing them up if you're saying this team needs more Star power?

The new CBA when implemented is essentially a CBA where if you cross that secondary threshold you pay an insane tax. I can see bigger markets swallowing that tax MAYBE if the ROI it brings in the justifiable revenue for those teams like the Celtics or Lakers. But for smaller markets like the Thunder or Magic where they don't have a LeBron-esque megastar no owner for those teams would even test it.

It's a really hefty Tax.

The luxury tax has had an exponential component for a while how is the new one much different? And if it is, do you really think it's going to be high enough to deter teams from going too far over it with the new money coming in? They likely had to raise the luxury tax just to keep the disincentive pressure at the level it has been at. You are likely forgetting that part.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10126009-how-the-nbas-second-apron-and-new-cba-rules-could-change-team-building#:~:text=The%20biggest%20change%20was%20the,subject%20to%20the%20repeater%20tax.

If these changes are what you're discussing then that is even more incentive a trade for a star now because if we don't we still won't be able to make many changes to the team.

You're correct in some aspects of the new CBA and also another poster corrected me as well. Restrictions on building your roster and having to pay a Lux tax is not something I think this organization wants long term.

To me in today's modern NBA if you have 3 Stars who all do the samething it restricts how versatile your team can be whilst also handicapping you general.

The biggest example of this is the Suns. Where Beal/Booker/Durant all play the same exact way and their depth is absolutely horrible and the last few years the team hasn't looked so super.

And also at the same time you're trading for a PG who is a top 15 player in the league. You're not JUST trading someone like Suggs away. You're also trading a combination of Anthony Black or Da Silva and Jonathan Issac or Goga Bitadze and a few draft picks.

Does that move look good at that point? Not to me it doesn't.

Again, 3 ball dominate guys who are below average 3 point shooters who do most of their damage 20 feet in the arc. Surrounded by 1 competent 3-Point shooter with a lack of depth/shooting to surround them to open up their games. Doesn't sound like a recipe of a very strong offense.

So what are you suggesting, you think we should just roll with our current squad and expect to compete for a title? Black looks like he's still trying to develop his game and i just don't see him getting there. Da Silva is alright but he's a tweener in an era where tweeners thrive but for some reason he doesn't really seem to. He's just an okay rotation NBA player.

Losing Isaac hurts but he only plays 15 or so minutes per game.

Losing Bitadze would be the big decision to me. Right now it looks like hes breaking out as the team's best rebounder and center whose the best around the basket.

I'm not kicking myself too much for losing these guys except for Goga, especially if we're getting some nice players back like Mcbuckets.

Fox probably isn't an ideal fit but we can't wait around forever for the perfect fit to just happen. Fox would be a talent upgrade and our team needs it.

You've done a good job outlining all the reasons why you think this doesn't work, have you considered taking a more expanded view on why this could work?

Fox would make the team play faster

Fox fits the defensive identity

Fox gives us a competent scorer on a bottom 10 offense

Fox would make the game easier for Franz, Paolo and Suggs and would possibly have fewer injuries as a result

[JF5]

The luxury tax has had an exponential component for a while how is the new one much different? And if it is, do you really think it's going to be high enough to deter teams from going too far over it with the new money coming in? They likely had to raise the luxury tax just to keep the disincentive pressure at the level it has been at. You are likely forgetting that part.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10126009-how-the-nbas-second-apron-and-new-cba-rules-could-change-team-building#:~:text=The%20biggest%20change%20was%20the,subject%20to%20the%20repeater%20tax.

If these changes are what you're discussing then that is even more incentive a trade for a star now because if we don't we still won't be able to make many changes to the team.

You're correct in some aspects of the new CBA and also another poster corrected me as well. Restrictions on building your roster and having to pay a Lux tax is not something I think this organization wants long term.

To me in today's modern NBA if you have 3 Stars who all do the samething it restricts how versatile your team can be whilst also handicapping you general.

The biggest example of this is the Suns. Where Beal/Booker/Durant all play the same exact way and their depth is absolutely horrible and the last few years the team hasn't looked so super.

And also at the same time you're trading for a PG who is a top 15 player in the league. You're not JUST trading someone like Suggs away. You're also trading a combination of Anthony Black or Da Silva and Jonathan Issac or Goga Bitadze and a few draft picks.

Does that move look good at that point? Not to me it doesn't.

Again, 3 ball dominate guys who are below average 3 point shooters who do most of their damage 20 feet in the arc. Surrounded by 1 competent 3-Point shooter with a lack of depth/shooting to surround them to open up their games. Doesn't sound like a recipe of a very strong offense.

So what are you suggesting, you think we should just roll with our current squad and expect to compete for a title? Black looks like he's still trying to develop his game and i just don't see him getting there. Da Silva is alright but he's a tweener in an era where tweeners thrive but for some reason he doesn't really seem to. He's just an okay rotation NBA player.

Losing Isaac hurts but he only plays 15 or so minutes per game.

Losing Bitadze would be the big decision to me. Right now it looks like hes breaking out as the team's best rebounder and center whose the best around the basket.

I'm not kicking myself too much for losing these guys except for Goga, especially if we're getting some nice players back like Mcbuckets.

Fox probably isn't an ideal fit but we can't wait around forever for the perfect fit to just happen. Fox would be a talent upgrade and our team needs it.

You've done a good job outlining all the reasons why you think this doesn't work, have you considered taking a more expanded view on why this could work?

Fox would make the team play faster

Fox fits the defensive identity

Fox gives us a competent scorer on a bottom 10 offense

Fox would make the game easier for Franz, Paolo and Suggs and would possibly have fewer injuries as a result

I mentioned it before... this team being without 4-5 of their best offensive players at times is still competing and playing like a 500. Basketball team. That means that they're already a strong roster and have depth and are 1-2 good role players away from being a contending once their Stars comeback and grow to become better.

If it was a situation like the Celtics where their best players (Tatum and Brown) weren't as versatile adding other players like a Jrue Holiday would make sense. But Paolo and Franz can both facilitate an offense and can carry them and seem to be projected to be a better duo long term.

Also, the offense is a bottom 10 offense because their 2 best players who provide 29 points and 24 pointe per game aren't playing. That would hurt any team's offense. Im confident once everyone comes back they'll be a top 10-15 offense.

[The-Stallion70]

You're correct in some aspects of the new CBA and also another poster corrected me as well. Restrictions on building your roster and having to pay a Lux tax is not something I think this organization wants long term.

To me in today's modern NBA if you have 3 Stars who all do the samething it restricts how versatile your team can be whilst also handicapping you general.

The biggest example of this is the Suns. Where Beal/Booker/Durant all play the same exact way and their depth is absolutely horrible and the last few years the team hasn't looked so super.

And also at the same time you're trading for a PG who is a top 15 player in the league. You're not JUST trading someone like Suggs away. You're also trading a combination of Anthony Black or Da Silva and Jonathan Issac or Goga Bitadze and a few draft picks.

Does that move look good at that point? Not to me it doesn't.

Again, 3 ball dominate guys who are below average 3 point shooters who do most of their damage 20 feet in the arc. Surrounded by 1 competent 3-Point shooter with a lack of depth/shooting to surround them to open up their games. Doesn't sound like a recipe of a very strong offense.

So what are you suggesting, you think we should just roll with our current squad and expect to compete for a title? Black looks like he's still trying to develop his game and i just don't see him getting there. Da Silva is alright but he's a tweener in an era where tweeners thrive but for some reason he doesn't really seem to. He's just an okay rotation NBA player.

Losing Isaac hurts but he only plays 15 or so minutes per game.

Losing Bitadze would be the big decision to me. Right now it looks like hes breaking out as the team's best rebounder and center whose the best around the basket.

I'm not kicking myself too much for losing these guys except for Goga, especially if we're getting some nice players back like Mcbuckets.

Fox probably isn't an ideal fit but we can't wait around forever for the perfect fit to just happen. Fox would be a talent upgrade and our team needs it.

You've done a good job outlining all the reasons why you think this doesn't work, have you considered taking a more expanded view on why this could work?

Fox would make the team play faster

Fox fits the defensive identity

Fox gives us a competent scorer on a bottom 10 offense

Fox would make the game easier for Franz, Paolo and Suggs and would possibly have fewer injuries as a result

I mentioned it before... this team being without 4-5 of their best offensive players at times is still competing and playing like a 500. Basketball team. That means that they're already a strong roster and have depth and are 1-2 good role players away from being a contending once their Stars comeback and grow to become better.

If it was a situation like the Celtics where their best players (Tatum and Brown) weren't as versatile adding other players like a Jrue Holiday would make sense. But Paolo and Franz can both facilitate an offense and can carry them and seem to be projected to be a better duo long term.

Also, the offense is a bottom 10 offense because their 2 best players who provide 29 points and 24 pointe per game aren't playing. That would hurt any team's offense. Im confident once everyone comes back they'll be a top 10-15 offense.

I just dont agree

Our team is 4-5 with the stars out, you did mention that before but let me explain why you are wrong and that's because winning margin tends to be a better indicator than record for how good a team truly is and our winning margin over this stretch is quite a bit worse.

Again I wouldn't compare us to Boston because they are further along than our young team and just won a championship.

Our team has an identity but our ceiling is still probably capped at being a second round exit unless we take a gamble for an aggregate talent upgrade.

[Orlando Dawg]

Must Read
https://bolavip.com/en/nba/nba-rumors-magic-target-blockbuster-trade-to-bolster-team-without-banchero-and-wagner

Reportedly, the Magic are willing to offer a package that includes
Cole Anthony
Anthony Black
Tristan Da Silva
Cory Joseph
2025 DEN first-round pick (protected 1-5 through 2027)
2026 ORL first-round pick (unprotected)
2028 ORL first-round pick (unprotected)

[RookieStar]

Must Read
https://bolavip.com/en/nba/nba-rumors-magic-target-blockbuster-trade-to-bolster-team-without-banchero-and-wagner

Reportedly, the Magic are willing to offer a package that includes
Cole Anthony
Anthony Black
Tristan Da Silva
Cory Joseph
2025 DEN first-round pick (protected 1-5 through 2027)
2026 ORL first-round pick (unprotected)
2028 ORL first-round pick (unprotected)

If we were final contenders i would do that. Too bad we arent there yet

[jezzerinho]

Must Read
https://bolavip.com/en/nba/nba-rumors-magic-target-blockbuster-trade-to-bolster-team-without-banchero-and-wagner

Reportedly, the Magic are willing to offer a package that includes
Cole Anthony
Anthony Black
Tristan Da Silva
Cory Joseph
2025 DEN first-round pick (protected 1-5 through 2027)
2026 ORL first-round pick (unprotected)
2028 ORL first-round pick (unprotected)

Thx for posting and it's an interesting theoretical offer. But that article was written by some kid in his bedroom, so there's absolutely no need to discuss whether Weltman is really on the case or not, IMO.

Price-wise, it's pretty steep. You'd want to be sure you could compete with the Celtics having made that move. I guess it's possible:

Fox / Suggs / ?
Suggs / KCP / Howard
F Wagner / KCP / Howard
Banchero / Isaac / M Wagner?
Bitadze / WCJ / M Wagner?

[The-Stallion70]

Thx for posting and it's an interesting theoretical offer. But that article was written by some kid in his bedroom, so there's absolutely no need to discuss whether Weltman is really on the case or not,

Reportedly, the kid had COD Black Ops 6 playing in the background when he stumbled upon another content farm's website linking the same Sam Amick rumor and said "**** I gotta write that thing" before writing this.

But I have about as many sources for that as he does for this trade rumor.

[pepe1991]

Vast majority of "nba rumors" come from managers of players