The Official 2025 Offseason Thread Part 1

[bwgood77]

For god's sake no Dudleys, Cassells or similar enthusiasts who know sh** about coaching a basketball team. It doesn't have to be a guy with a bag full of trophies, but someone who has a bball mind, his own identity and philosophy as a coach. I'd rather give it to Ghost or anyone else here to try if we are being so frivolous to hire a guy like Duds.

He'll probably try to hire 70 year old Tom Izzo.

[Slim Charless]

I’m sure good HC candidates will be lining up to coach for a team that’s fired 3 coaches in 2.5 years.

I'd take 4 years of pay for a year of work.

For god's sake no Dudleys, Cassells or similar enthusiasts who know sh** about coaching a basketball team. It doesn't have to be a guy with a bag full of trophies, but someone who has a bball mind, his own identity and philosophy as a coach. I'd rather give it to Ghost or anyone else here to try if we are being so frivolous to hire a guy like Duds.

Im not gonna act like I know these guys personally to say its the contrary (maybe they would actually be bad) but what exactly tells you that current assistant coaches like Dudley & Cassell dont know anything about coaching?

If Booker is on the roster - its more than about X's and O's. Booker has to elevate his game
FG % down from the past couple years
Turnovers were higher

So the coach has to tap into Booker and get better play out of him.

If we move KD to Miami, then I'd love a guy I've been talking about for years in Chris Quinn. Spo's right hand man and learned from him and Riley how to runa team and very young as well. If we can get Ware from them in a KD deal, then it becomes even better and makes more sense to bring Quinn into the fold.

[BobbieL]

I’m sure good HC candidates will be lining up to coach for a team that’s fired 3 coaches in 2.5 years.

I'd take 4 years of pay for a year of work.

Maybe that is why Bud took the job -- hey if I am terrible for a year I will get fired

[Ghost of Kleine]

Read on Twitter

[Ghost of Kleine]

Read on Twitter

[sunskerr]

If Bud couldnt hold the locker room or had bad vibes then so be it, it can't be helped

But are those tweets actually selling having a 13th ranked defense in 23-24 was some kind of achievement? Like...

Lol

[Puff]

Josh Bartelstein:

Isn't he the guy that really needs to get fired. After all, didn't he negotiate the trade for Bradley Beal due to his son being Beal's agent. I may have the son and father's role reversed but still it really happened because of the Bartelstein family. So, Matt while you are cleaning house dump the Bartelstein family from the organization. We are probably going to lose KD due to Beal as well as Booker. I truly believe the KD trade was horrible, but the Beal trade was even worse.

[BobbieL]

I’m sure good HC candidates will be lining up to coach for a team that’s fired 3 coaches in 2.5 years.

I'd take 4 years of pay for a year of work.

Im not gonna act like I know these guys personally to say its the contrary (maybe they would actually be bad) but what exactly tells you that current assistant coaches like Dudley & Cassell dont know anything about coaching?

If Booker is on the roster - its more than about X's and O's. Booker has to elevate his game
FG % down from the past couple years
Turnovers were higher

So the coach has to tap into Booker and get better play out of him.

If we move KD to Miami, then I'd love a guy I've been talking about for years in Chris Quinn. Spo's right hand man and learned from him and Riley how to runa team and very young as well. If we can get Ware from them in a KD deal, then it becomes even better and makes more sense to bring Quinn into the fold.

Thats a good name. But the key player, on the team would not be Ware. Its Booker. Maybe Bud sucked the life out of Booker, Durant and the team and though Durant seems like he is going to be traded - they need somebody to put the life back in Booker.

Shams said they are keeping Booker and Booker wants to stay -- so they need somebody to get the best out of Booker

[BobbieL]

Josh Bartelstein:

Isn't he the guy that really needs to get fired. After all, didn't he negotiate the trade for Bradley Beal due to his son being Beal's agent. I may have the son and father's role reversed but still it really happened because of the Bartelstein family. So, Matt while you are cleaning house dump the Bartelstein family from the organization. We are probably going to lose KD due to Beal as well as Booker. I truly believe the KD trade was horrible, but the Beal trade was even worse.

And the Ayton trade was even worse!
It cost another FRP and one player was bought out

Who the hell made that trade?!!!?

[phnart]

Eff feeling sorry for anyone getting $60 million to fail.

[sunsbg]

Rockets look like potential 1st round exit lately but they probably took the foot off the pedal with 2nd place in the bag. They likely beat Warriors especially if Butler's injury in last game is real. Grizz are dysfunctional so not a threat. I'm still mostly rooting for Mavs loss though I think they'll beat the Kings, then maybe lose next game. If they manage to make the playoffs most likely get swept by OKC. Mavs have a desperate ownership, young players like Lively, even PJ Washington is like 25 so still young and a win now player. Then their outlook for the future is not better than ours so those picks around '30 are as valuable as Suns traded picks. Ideal trade partner.

[Puff]

I can also envision a return of Willie Green as head coach. Maybe Wille can convince CP3 to sign with us as our starting PG, while mentoring Gillespie as the heir apparent. I would love to see how this would play out. I believe that would truly bring life back to our team.

[bullsaficianado]

Who the hell would want to coach here now after the firing of Bud? zero job security. Might as well check into a motel for over a year and a half if you become the next Suns head coach.

[sunsbg]

Jones probably gone too per WT. I'm more interested in next GM hire than coach. Will Ishbia bring someone respected or another puppet.

[Saberestar]

Who the hell would want to coach here now after the firing of Bud? zero job security. Might as well check into a motel for over a year and a half if you become the next Suns head coach.

Do you think that getting close to $60M for coaching one year is a bad deal?

Vogel got around $35M for 1 year too. And Monty got good money too.

Coaching the Suns is the best HC's job in the world, no doubt about it. You receive all the resources and a long term deal and you can be successful (nice) or fail and get your big bag of money. Win-Win always and don't waste any time.

I really like Ishbia and how badly he wants the Suns to be great. It hasn't worked so far but the intentions are good for real.

[Revived]

Why would any half decent GM candidate take this job? Ishbia overrules the GM and makes the decisions while the GM is just a figure head that takes all the blame for Ishbia’s shtty moves.

Sure there’s loser candidates that would take being the GM here since being paid somewhat decent for taking orders from Ishbia can be seen as a good gig for them. But otherwise no GM who wants to actually create a team to his own vision will come here.

Matt Ishbia is basically a worse version of Jerry Jones.

[BobbieL]

Jones probably gone too per WT. I'm more interested in next GM hire than coach. Will Ishbia bring someone respected or another puppet.

Who is WT?

And yes, I agree -- the decision about GM is more important than HC
What GM can look at the cap, the roster, the draft picks and have a vision to rebuild

[bullsaficianado]

Who the hell would want to coach here now after the firing of Bud? zero job security. Might as well check into a motel for over a year and a half if you become the next Suns head coach.

Do you think that getting close to $60M for coaching one year is a bad deal?

Vogel got around $35M for 1 year too. And Monty got good money too.

Coaching the Suns is the best HC's job in the world, no doubt about it. You receive all the resources and a long term deal and you can be successful (nice) or fail and get your big bag of money. Win-Win always and don't waste any time.

I really like Ishbia and how badly he wants the Suns to be great. It hasn't worked so far but the intentions are good for real.

sure if you just want to coach for 1 year and than have Ishbia fire you and throw you a bag of money and say "you did not win the championship, take your money and leave". LMAO.

[Revived]

I can also envision a return of Willie Green as head coach. Maybe Wille can convince CP3 to sign with us as our starting PG, while mentoring Gillespie as the heir apparent. I would love to see how this would play out. I believe that would truly bring life back to our team.

Green was pretty awful with the Pels. The way their fans describe him is like we did of Earl Watson..a “rah-rah” coach that provided very little actual strategy.

I would take him back as assistant coach though.

[sunsbg]

Jones probably gone too per WT. I'm more interested in next GM hire than coach. Will Ishbia bring someone respected or another puppet.

Who is WT?

And yes, I agree -- the decision about GM is more important than HC
What GM can look at the cap, the roster, the draft picks and have a vision to rebuild

Realgm Wiretap. I tried to paste the link but for whatever reason it's to Bud getting fired article. It says Jones' contract expires in June and his future is uncertain.